THC testing in legal states-Really?

thailer said:

i worked on a couple farms in washington and one part of my job was slapping labels on product. it was for one of the top five selling farms. i was told to rip off afghani labels and replace it with blue dream. they print off a high scoring test and then put that on any product that is the same strain no matter what date it was harvested. also i have heard that testing facilities will give higher test results depending on how many prepaid tests you are buying so the more money you spend at the labs, the better your test results will be compared to other companies. that last is just rumor tho.

all the big farms have russets and my first week there, the employees told me they have to get rid of the russet mites in the next week or they are going to shut down for a 45 day re-entry period for a professional exterminator??? i shit you not a week later on monday i get to work and there are signs on all the doors saying it was ok to enter after 6am and the room was treated with safers sulfur, pyganic and silica. i had seen this before and the plants would have a white residue on the leaves from the sulfur. this time they did not and the leaves were shiny and still a little wet looking. my arms itched and i got a red rash working that day. it took two days to go away and i went to work and the same spray sign was on the doors this time.

so i open the door and the plants have the white residue spray. my arms were not bothered either. then on the weekend, the IPM manager sprayed the weird spray again and my arms got really bad rashes all over it. then about a week later, they announced that we did in fact kill the russets. lol then three weeks later after the mystery spray wore off, the russets were back again. i got relocated into packaging at that time and saw a whole other side to it.

prerolls are sifted shake that is basically powdered with a blender and shoved into joints. the russet mites were destroying plants in bloom so they were harvesting at 5 weeks and making it into prerolls.

if you want to find companies at least that are tested by labs for pesticide and other stuff, Uncle Ike's legal store requires random testing of it's farms products so anything they sell in the store is safe to smoke and they have a website which lists who is failing and why.

but more to your original point, i haven't really found a company that can get you stoned like smoking your own weed. i did pick up a quarter from a company called Sustainabus that was memorable and i got pretty stoned from it. i don't buy the premium label products tho.

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Douglas.Curtis said:

If you want THC, buy the high % strains. Personally, I've only purchased cannabis from a dispensary a few times that I liked. It happened to be from only one dispensary, and they've been closed for over a decade.

When you line up various offerings of the same strain in blind testing trials, each with different THC levels, people almost exclusively go for the 10-15% THC versions with the most terpenes.

Yes, there's a f-ton of b.s. going on behind the label but you'll have a better experience if you shy away from the strains listed as super% THC.

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White Beard said:

This all just confirms a suspicion I’ve had for a long long time: that THC is a red herring.

Remembering back to when “delta-9” was identified as “the molecule that gets you high”, I dug into the details as deep as I could, and what I came with, in summary, were entirely physiological indicators: dilated pupils; dry mouth; a shift in spatial orientation; sudden hunger...at higher levels dizziness, reddened and perhaps watery eyes. That is to say, all the things a cop would look for if he thought you might be high....

Ever since, the same drum has been beaten by everyone - THC is what gets you high, but the tests weren’t designed or intended to determine whether or not the user liked the experience, wanted to repeat it, or just stopped for some fries and a milkshake on the way home from the test. The point was to find a component of cannabis - ANY component - would produce observable physical changes: changes that law enforcement could use as grounds for search and or arrest; “delta9” also produced metabolites that, while inactive, remained in the body for as much as 30 days. Dr. Carleton Turner @ Ole Miss, “America’s marijuana expert”, then was able to develop a urine test that could detect those metabolites (@ ~65% accuracy), and the piss test was born...making Turner quite wealthy for being the grower of the world’s lamest pot.

Experientially, I’ve always felt that the emotional, mental, and spiritual effects of being high was altogether different than the mere physiological signs of consumption - that the wealth, and mix, of cannabinoids at large were all players in the quality, duration, and range of effects. Many ‘old stoners’ have agreed with me over the decades, and for a single simple reason: the longer one uses, the less noticeable those physiological symptoms become, even when ripped to the gills.

So I’m honestly not surprised to hear the general agreement that there’s a mis-match between putative THC levels and satisfaction with the stone received. Add to this the jittery-poker related by thailer - and scams like “predictive analysis”, which I heard Kevin Jodrey raving about once, and I’m left with absolutely no reason to pay any attention to delta-9 levels: one way or another, they’re meaningless as a guide to the consumer even when they’re *not* bogus.

I am as always open to PROOF...but I’ve seen none, despite looking for a long time; so I can be persuaded I’m wrong, but “because SCIENCE!!!” doesn’t cut it anymore.

For one last databit, since lab-testing became a thing, most of the powerful old landraces have shown themselves to be “surprisingly” low in delta9, compared to the modern countertop crops, yet able to kick righteous ass nonetheless. 12-15 years ago, the first ‘diesel’ something came through here, but since then, with all the ‘improvements’, the new weed seems to stuff pillows, not kick ass.

Sure does smell/taste/look good, though.

Having just kicked everyone’s favorite dog, I await the snapback.

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White Beard said:

This all just confirms a suspicion I’ve had for a long long time: that THC is a red herring: that is, it’s a number, not a meaningful standard

Remembering back to when “delta-9” was identified as “the molecule that gets you high”, I dug into the details as deep as I could, and what I came up with, in summary, were entirely physiological indicators: dilated pupils; dry mouth; a shift in spatial orientation; sudden hunger...at higher levels dizziness, reddened and perhaps watery eyes. That is to say, ALL the things a cop could look for as indications of cannabis intoxication; in other words, teach LEOs that’s what ‘high’ looks like, and BAM! You be high when they stop you, even if you’re not....

Ever since, the same drum has been beaten by everyone - THC is what gets you high, layer after layer of it, over and over, it’s become a snake-oil bullet point: the Big Lie in action; but the tests weren’t designed or intended to determine whether or not the user liked the experience, wanted to repeat it, or just stopped for some fries and a milkshake on the way home from the test. The researchers weren’t pursuing science, they were using methods and tools of science to answer a specific question: what are the observable indications of marijuana influence in a user. The point was to find a component of cannabis - ANY component - would produce observable physical changes: changes that law enforcement could use as grounds for search and or arrest; “delta9” also produced metabolites that, while inactive, remained in the body for as much as 30 days. Dr. Carleton Turner @ Ole Miss, “America’s marijuana expert”, then was able to develop a urine test that could detect those metabolites (@ ~65% accuracy), and the piss test was born...making Turner quite wealthy for being the grower of the world’s lamest pot.

I want to emphasize this point, it’s not minor: this was only a ‘scientific experiment’ in the sense that they HAD TO EXPERIMENT TO FIND *A* component, of ALL the cannabinoids and other constituents of cannabis, to find THE ONE that would let them answer the question and please their law-enforcement clients, who could THEN train their officers to look for those specific signs and consider them grounds for further investigation to search, to impound, to run a piss test....

We’ve bought their lie, to be blunt, and we keep repeating it, and agreeing (if we don’t challenge) when we hear it.

Experientially, I’ve always felt that the emotional, mental, and spiritual effects of being high was altogether different than the mere physiological signs of consumption - that the wealth, and mix, of cannabinoids at large were all players in the quality, duration, and range of effects. Many ‘old stoners’ have agreed with me over the decades, and for a single simple reason: the longer one uses, the less noticeable those physiological symptoms become, even when ripped to the gills. This makes you *seem* not high, you don’t “present” as a stoned person. Maintain your composure and they almost certainly can’t tell.

This point also bears emphasis, too: one of the things that they did is to create the piss test...and use it to “prove” you were still high when they made you pee, even if you pee weeks later - or had another toke in the meantime.

The point of that whole exercise was to arrest and convict, not to keep the public safe.

So I’m honestly not surprised to hear the general agreement that there’s a mis-match between putative THC levels and satisfaction with the stone received. Add to this the jiggery-pokery related by thailer - and scams like “predictive analysis”, which I heard Kevin Jodrey raving about once, and I’m left with absolutely no reason to pay any attention to delta-9 levels: one way or another, they’re meaningless as a guide to the consumer even when they’re *not* bogus.

I am as always open to PROOF...but I’ve seen none, despite looking for a long time; so I can be persuaded I’m wrong, but “because SCIENCE!!!” doesn’t cut it anymore.

For one last databit, since lab-testing became a thing, most of the powerful old landraces have shown themselves to be “surprisingly” low in delta9, compared to the modern countertop crops, yet able to kick righteous ass nonetheless. 12-15 years ago, the first ‘diesel’ something came through here, but since then, with all the ‘improvements’, the new weed seems to stuff pillows, not kick ass.

Sure does smell/taste/look good, though.

Gotta add a bit more here (there’s more above as well):


Having just kicked everyone’s favorite dog, I await the snapback.

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