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Immunity - where has it gone?

moses wellfleet

Well-known member
Moderator
Veteran
You have completely gone round the bend due to your hate of the US. Throw away every bottle of peroxide and bandaid you have.

Let me simplify this thread for you, Cvh already tried but I will try again.

If you have a child make sure he/she goes outside and plays in the dirt, if you don't have a backyard take them to a park. Take then to swim in the creek. Let them make mud pies. Let the kids play naturally outside in the dirt, on the lawn the way human children have done for thousands of years.

Nobody is suggesting you must swim in a ditch of sewerage.

Nobody is suggesting you don't use toilet paper.

Nobody is hating on any country.
 

mexcurandero420

See the world through a puff of smoke
Veteran
Our immunity has gone to the roof nowadays.See how many auto-immune diseases there are and also cytokine reaction among men to this virus.We need to regulate not more stimulate exceptions for some.
 

Switcher56

Comfortably numb!
Haha, I celebrated my 20th Birthday in Angkor wat. My father and his new wife took me out to eat something nice. Alright! What do we have? Lets have the lamb.. mmm I like lamb... A little bit red next to the bone, ahh, I do like that taste.... Woke up 3-4 in the morning with a stomach as big as I would give birth to baby, a BIG BABY! oh lord...... Took me a month to get over that SHIT.. Came home after one and half week, straight to the toilet. My mother went:" You were right, your REALLY are bad." She opened all the doors.... I only ate nuddles with pot after that for some time...




My last post went out the window it looks like... But breastmilk is important and vaginal birth too, lot of bacterias get incolated to the gut too the baby from the mother that way.

We also just get 10-15% of the bacterias we used to get, ofc some bad we should not get anyway, but we have lost many of the good ones. It believe some of the more important health "tips/method" is too get some of them, fermented food. I know I have had a bad stomach for a little time now. Drank a half liter of fermented milk yesterday, and today this shit is good shit.


Hippocrates : Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food.

I know I have never been ask by the doc of mye diet. Got a light version of asthma, no one have ever ask me of my diet, but still I can control a lot of the asthma with what I eat. Weird or not?

Be active, eat good and stress down is key I believe. Stress is a huge immunity tax. Cortisol, norephedrine, adrenaline is not good to use to much out of.
My ex-wife had tuberculosis years ago ('82). In '85 the had her 1st bout with asthma. We were in Ottawa at the time (84-87). Upon our return to NS, the lung specialist stated asthma could be attributed to your former tuberculosis, but I will bet you allergies are what is causing the fits. She got tested and she had about 5 foods to avoid:

  • tomatoes
  • pork
  • cheese
  • eggs; and
  • peanut butter
She was told they were to be avoided for 6 weeks, and reintroduce them one by one and see which one was affecting her.

I remember one morning she had eggs and peanut butter toast. A couple of hrs later, she felt weird and was seeing stars. I told he to lie down and it would go away. She gave herself a double whammie. I don't recall which one of the foods she was allergic to, but her asthma attacks were few and far in between. e.g once in a blue moon, compared to one or so a month.
 

troutman

Seed Whore
I know when we were kids we ate all kinds of things and I don't remember even distant family members getting allergic reactions.
These days kids aren't allowed to bring peanut butter, seafood,etc to schools. I suspect there's a time frame early in life when if
exposed to certain things you build a tolerance to it. Whereas a child that is sheltered by overbearing parents never gets that
tolerance and gets major allergic reactions.
 

moses wellfleet

Well-known member
Moderator
Veteran
I know when we were kids we ate all kinds of things and I don't remember even distant family members getting allergic reactions.
These days kids aren't allowed to bring peanut butter, seafood,etc to schools. I suspect there's a time frame early in life when if
exposed to certain things you build a tolerance to it. Whereas a child that is sheltered by overbearing parents never gets that
tolerance and gets major allergic reactions.

Yes I have been watching the allergy issue and don't know what to make of it. Do you think parents are intentionally avoiding those products because of an allergy risk and thus making the problem worse?

In other words the only thing to fear is fear itself.
 

troutman

Seed Whore
Yes I have been watching the allergy issue and don't know what to make of it. Do you think parents are intentionally avoiding those products because of an allergy risk and thus making the problem worse?

In other words the only thing to fear is fear itself.

Overprotective parents do seem to make problems worse and that's no conspiracy.
 

Switcher56

Comfortably numb!
I know when we were kids we ate all kinds of things and I don't remember even distant family members getting allergic reactions.
These days kids aren't allowed to bring peanut butter, seafood,etc to schools. I suspect there's a time frame early in life when if
exposed to certain things you build a tolerance to it. Whereas a child that is sheltered by overbearing parents never gets that
tolerance and gets major allergic reactions.
I see you received the memo Mr Trout :)
 

baduy

Active member
Our bodies are designed for adaptation and I think our internal chemistry turns nuts if it gets nothing to fight or overcome hence the rise of allergies and auto-imune diseses.If we didn't have weights to carry and stairs to climb we would end up like humans in WALL-E, if we never had such a weak complexion compared to other species we wouldn't even never had the need to grow a big brain. Our imune system works the same, for instance we use fecal bacterias to treat Crohn disease (which also magically dissapears as soon as the ill moves to a country with lower hygiena standards) Exposure to cold also seems to work wonders to stimulate one's imune system, just look at those Siberians and Inuit guys living most of the year standing on ice how unbreakable they seem to be. Or Wim Hof "iceman" the guy who got himself inoculated with E.Colli along with some of his students and none of them showed any symptoms while they should all have been seriously ill
 

flylowgethigh

Non-growing Lurker
ICMag Donor
I know when we were kids we ate all kinds of things and I don't remember even distant family members getting allergic reactions.
These days kids aren't allowed to bring peanut butter, seafood,etc to schools. I suspect there's a time frame early in life when if
exposed to certain things you build a tolerance to it. Whereas a child that is sheltered by overbearing parents never gets that
tolerance and gets major allergic reactions.

As a kid I would get allergic to a certain fruit in the summer. One year it was bananas, then cherries, then peaches, and then?? I grew out of that, and there was a drug that worked everytime, that I can't remember right now what it was. That whole deal passed, and I am not allergic to anything but cats now. Might have been pesticides. I also would ride my bike around and take a pocketfull of the little plums on the trees they planted around. Who knows what was sprayed on them. I wish I could grow those trees with the sour plums here.
 

St. Phatty

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I'm a big believer that young people benefit from spending time "in nature", getting dirty, catching animals etc.

BUT SOMETIMES ... I got pecked in the eye yesterday by a semi-wild bird.

I may not look lucky, but I am VERY FUCKING LUCKY.

This could have gone so much worse.

I think my Guardian Angels are laughing, and saying "you owe me, bro". I think they're gonna go on vacation for 2 years after this.


I think I'll play it safe and go try composting with flesh eating bacteria or something. /sarc
 

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LNG

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Our bodies are designed for adaptation and I think our internal chemistry turns nuts if it gets nothing to fight or overcome hence the rise of allergies and auto-imune diseses.If we didn't have weights to carry and stairs to climb we would end up like humans in WALL-E, if we never had such a weak complexion compared to other species we wouldn't even never had the need to grow a big brain. Our imune system works the same, for instance we use fecal bacterias to treat Crohn disease (which also magically dissapears as soon as the ill moves to a country with lower hygiena standards) Exposure to cold also seems to work wonders to stimulate one's imune system, just look at those Siberians and Inuit guys living most of the year standing on ice how unbreakable they seem to be. Or Wim Hof "iceman" the guy who got himself inoculated with E.Colli along with some of his students and none of them showed any symptoms while they should all have been seriously ill
Cronhs definitely does not magically disappear by mowing countries. It is some serious complication to have. I'm sure you have heard of stoma?

Although I think I generally agree with the point you are making, that was wrong example to mention. It has been around for a lot of years and a lot of people have been affected and died, but due to advancement of technology and medicine we are able to diagnose it better and more precisely which is why it looks like recently that are more affected people.
 

Sunshineinabag

Active member
How is modern medicine stripping us of our immunity?
I believe that our personal actions(diet, exercise, sunshine,etc) affect our immunity.

Hmmmmm drinking flourinated water....lactose intolerance peanut allergies have been linked to weird chit I'm a stoner I forgot the actual literature but obviously moses has his finge on the pulse of commen sense .....the purdue company was smiling it's ass off for many moons.....look at the way hiv/aids drug companies rib patients!
 

Sunshineinabag

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I'm a big believer that young people benefit from spending time "in nature", getting dirty, catching animals etc.

BUT SOMETIMES ... I got pecked in the eye yesterday by a semi-wild bird.

I may not look lucky, but I am VERY FUCKING LUCKY.

This could have gone so much worse.

I think my Guardian Angels are laughing, and saying "you owe me, bro". I think they're gonna go on vacation for 2 years after this.


I think I'll play it safe and go try composting with flesh eating bacteria or something. /sarc

That's what we call danger close
Wtf were you doing to elicit that behavior from abird? Lol inquiring minds wanna know
 

LNG

Member
Yes I have been watching the allergy issue and don't know what to make of it. Do you think parents are intentionally avoiding those products because of an allergy risk and thus making the problem worse?

In other words the only thing to fear is fear itself.
There are statistics that do show increased number of (especially ground) nut allergies, as well as others. It can be overcome in some cases by very slowly increasing exposure, but not always. Unsure why this is happening, but it would be generally connected to what we eat.
Also, antibiotic use attributes to this. And it is not just because doctors are describing antibiotics for nearly every issue need the or not, they are used massively in food production. So whatever we eat, unless its homegrown, its pretty likely it contains one, or the other, or more than one type of antibiotic.
Due to this we are exposed to microbes that are evolving much faster than our immune system.

That combined with the change of lifestyle as you mentioned earlier, plus les and les women breastfeeding (since we all want to have nice tits) - eh voila!
 

Sunshineinabag

Active member
There are statistics that do show increased number of (especially ground) nut allergies, as well as others. It can be overcome in some cases by very slowly increasing exposure, but not always. Unsure why this is happening, but it would be generally connected to what we eat.
Also, antibiotic use attributes to this. And it is not just because doctors are describing antibiotics for nearly every issue need the or not, they are used massively in food production. So whatever we eat, unless its homegrown, its pretty likely it contains one, or the other, or more than one type of antibiotic.
Due to this we are exposed to microbes that are evolving much faster than our immune system.

That combined with the change of lifestyle as you mentioned earlier, plus les and les women breastfeeding (since we all want to have nice tits) - eh voila!
One big fail about antibiotics was you had to take the entire course or bottle not stop midway once you feel better...how many folks who were prescribed amoxicillin or etc didn't finish the script as directed?:skiiing:
 

LNG

Member
One big fail about antibiotics was you had to take the entire course or bottle not stop midway once you feel better...how many folks who were prescribed amoxicillin or etc didn't finish the script as directed?:skiiing:
Oh yes 100%
I have nearly beaten people over not completing the course and when the problem return in a little while, starting a strip ..... FROM THE SAME COURSE!!!!!!
 

St. Phatty

Active member
That's what we call danger close
Wtf were you doing to elicit that behavior from abird? Lol inquiring minds wanna know

Petting it. Scratching the back between the wings, or on the chest, in the area around the crop (the thing that feels like a bean bag in their upper chest, that is part of the digestive system, that female birds also use to keep their eggs warm).

This was a defensive tap by the bird.

There's a fine line between the "hey how you doing" beak tap, and the "stop touching me" beak attack.


If I had more land and was younger, I would give this guy his own piece of land and some "
 
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