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DANGER!!!

Mojave Dave

Member
I'm very, very lucky to be typing this right now. The one thing that I never considered a hazard almost killed me a few minutes ago.

My grow room is 8' long by 7' wide. In it I have my 4' x 4' x 7' high "Budbox" grow tent, as well as the nursery that I had designed and built and installed, which is 3' wide and 4' long and 7' tall. In other words, my grow stuff takes up over half of the room from the floor nearly to the ceiling.

The little area that's left is where I have my computer desk. The door is also right there. I sit in here most of the day and tend to my plants from the comfort of my chair, with the door tightly closed so that the smoke doesn't foul the air in our home. My little grow/computer room is sort of a little add-on utility room, I think.

At any rate, for this grow I decided to try using 1000w MH lamp for the vegging stage and then switch over to a 1000w HPS SONT-T lamp for ther flowering phase. I decided to start them on their 12/12 today.

I took the big, bulbous lamp out of the Supernova reflector with no problems at all. I carefully screwed the new 1000w HPS into the socket, and adjusted the lamp position. The lamp was wiped down a final time with a clean, soft cloth to remove any oils from my hands. I then sat down and switched on the lamp so I could watch it warm up, since I had never seen a 1000w light up before (aside from the Metal Halide I had just taken out).

I noticed right off that it didn't seem to get very bright at all. In fact, I thought there must be something wrong, it was so dim in the tent. But then I decided that maybe that's just the way they burn or something when they're brand new. So, I took a nice long hit on my hash pipe, and then another, and another and well, I fell asleep.

Enter my wife, who is an hour or so late coming home from shopping for groceries in town. She walks in, smells this awful, acrid smell and throws open my door. I was dead asleep, if you'll pardon the pun, and it was difficult for her to rouse me and get me to even understand what she was on about. She finally got me up and out of the room.
She was nearly hysterical with fear that I might be dying, or that I could have died had she not come home when she did. I think she's probably right.

I had been breathing the whispy whiteish-grey smoke that was issuing from the in my 1000w ballast! As I recall, the gas from burning electrical components is called Phosgene gas, and it on the deadly side if inhaled too long. I probably only was breathing it for a very few minutes before she walked in and found me in the smokey room.

Now that ballast had its own comfy place sitting on top of my wooden nursery roof, so it's out of the way and safe. Right. Had it been on the floor, I may have breathed enough to be quite harmful or even fatal. If my wife had not come home for another hour, I fear I would indeed be dead when she did arrive.

CHECK YOUR BALLASTS TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE IN PROPER WORKING ORDER! EVEN BRAND NEW ONES!!!

Now I don't know if that slow-burning lamp put too much drain on the ballast and that's what caused the over-heating, or what it could have been. But I am swapping that 1000w crap out and putting another new 600 SON-T PLUS lamp in there. That's fine for a grow tent anyway, It's what I've always used. But I sure was keen to see what they would look like at harvest time under a 1000w lighting system.

I wanted to make sure as many people see this as possible, so please tell other people you know what I have just described.

Good luck and safe growing to all!

Mojave Dave
 
Thanks for the warning Dave. Scary shit. Glad your wife came home when she did!

I don't know if Phosgene is released in the situation you describe but be careful phosgene is bad shit. Note the section below in bold on delayed effects.

PMZ

(CDC fact sheet)
> Agents > Phosgene >

Facts About Phosgene

* Phosgene is a major industrial chemical used to make plastics and pesticides.
* At room temperature (70°F), phosgene is a poisonous gas.
* With cooling and pressure, phosgene gas can be converted into a liquid so that it can be shipped and stored. When liquid phosgene is released, it quickly turns into a gas that stays close to the ground and spreads rapidly.
* Phosgene gas may appear colorless or as a white to pale yellow cloud. At low concentrations, it has a pleasant odor of newly mown hay or green corn, but its odor may not be noticed by all people exposed. At high concentrations, the odor may be strong and unpleasant.
* Phosgene itself is nonflammable (not easily ignited and burned).
* Phosgene is also known by its military designation, “CG.”

Where phosgene is found and how it is used

* Phosgene was used extensively during World War I as a choking (pulmonary) agent. Among the chemicals used in the war, phosgene was responsible for the large majority of deaths.
* Phosgene is not found naturally in the environment.
* Phosgene is used in industry to produce many other chemicals such as pesticides.
* Phosgene can be formed when chlorinated hydrocarbon compounds are exposed to high temperatures. Chlorinated hydrocarbon compounds are substances sometimes used or created in industry that contain the elements chlorine, hydrogen, and carbon.
* The vapors of chlorinated solvents exposed to high temperatures have been known to produce phosgene. Chlorinated solvents are chlorine-containing chemicals that are typically used in industrial processes to dissolve or clean other materials, such as in paint stripping, metal cleaning, and dry cleaning.
* Phosgene gas is heavier than air, so it would be more likely found in low-lying areas.

How people are exposed to phosgene

* People's risk for exposure depends on how close they are to the place where the phosgene was released.
* If phosgene gas is released into the air, people may be exposed through skin contact or eye contact. They may also be exposed by breathing air that contains phosgene.
* If phosgene liquid is released into water, people may be exposed by touching or drinking water that contains phosgene.
* If phosgene liquid comes into contact with food, people may be exposed by eating the contaminated food.

How phosgene works

* Poisoning caused by phosgene depends on the amount of phosgene to which a person is exposed, the route of exposure, and the length of time that a person is exposed.
* Phosgene gas and liquid are irritants that can damage the skin, eyes, nose, throat, and lungs.

Immediate signs and symptoms of phosgene exposure

* During or immediately after exposure to dangerous concentrations of phosgene, the following signs and symptoms may develop:
o Coughing
o Burning sensation in the throat and eyes
o Watery eyes
o Blurred vision
o Difficulty breathing or shortness of breath
o Nausea and vomiting
o Skin contact can result in lesions similar to those from frostbite or burns
o Following exposure to high concentrations of phosgene, a person may develop fluid in the lungs (pulmonary edema) within 2 to 6 hours.
* Exposure to phosgene may cause delayed effects that may not be apparent for up to 48 hours after exposure, even if the person feels better or appears well following removal from exposure. Therefore, people who have been exposed to phosgene should be monitored for 48 hours afterward. Delayed effects that can appear for up to 48 hours include the following:
o Difficulty breathing
o Coughing up white to pink-tinged fluid (a sign of pulmonary edema)
o Low blood pressure
o Heart failure
* Showing these signs or symptoms does not necessarily mean that a person has been exposed to phosgene.


What the long-term health effects are

* Most people who recover after an exposure to phosgene make a complete recovery. However, chronic bronchitis and emphysema have been reported as a result of phosgene exposure.

How people can protect themselves and what they should do if they are exposed to phosgene

* Leave the area where the phosgene was released and get to fresh air. Quickly moving to an area where fresh air is available is highly effective in reducing the possibility of death from exposure to phosgene.
o If the phosgene release was outdoors, move away from the area where the phosgene was released. Go to the highest ground possible, because phosgene is heavier than air and will sink to low-lying areas.
o If the phosgene release was indoors, get out of the building.
* If you think you may have been exposed, remove your clothing, rapidly wash your entire body with soap and water, and get medical care as quickly as possible.
* Removing and disposing of clothing:
o Quickly take off clothing that has liquid phosgene on it. Any clothing that has to be pulled over the head should be cut off the body instead of pulled over the head. If possible, seal the clothing in a plastic bag. Then seal the first plastic bag in a second plastic bag. Removing and sealing the clothing in this way will help protect you and other people from any chemicals that might be on your clothes.
o If you placed your clothes in plastic bags, inform either the local or state health department or emergency personnel upon their arrival. Do not handle the plastic bags.
o If you are helping other people remove their clothing, try to avoid touching any contaminated areas, and remove the clothing as quickly as possible.
* Washing the body:
o As quickly as possible, wash your entire body with large amounts of soap and water. Washing with soap and water will help protect people from any chemicals on their bodies.
o If your eyes are burning or your vision is blurred, rinse your eyes with plain water for 10 to 15 minutes. If you wear contacts, remove them and place them in the bags with the contaminated clothing. Do not put the contacts back in your eyes. If you wear eyeglasses, wash them with soap and water. You can put the eyeglasses back on after you wash them.
* If you have ingested (swallowed) phosgene, do not induce vomiting or drink fluids.
* Seek medical attention right away. Dial 911 and explain what has happened.

How phosgene exposure is treated

Treatment for phosgene exposure consists of removing phosgene from the body as soon as possible and providing supportive medical care in a hospital setting. No antidote exists for phosgene. Exposed people should be observed for up to 48 hours, because it may take that long for symptoms to develop or reoccur.
How people can get more information about phosgene

People can contact one of the following:

* Regional poison control center: 1-800-222-1222
* Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
o Public Response Hotline (CDC)
+ 800-CDC-INFO
+ 888-232-6348 (TTY)
o Emergency Preparedness and Response Web site
o E-mail inquiries: cdcinfo@cdc.gov
o Mail inquiries:
Public Inquiry c/o BPRP
Bioterrorism Preparedness and Response Planning
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
Mailstop C-18
1600 Clifton Road
Atlanta, GA 30333
* Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry (ATSDR) (1-888-422-8737)
o E-mail inquiries: atsdric@cdc.gov
o Mail inquiries:
Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry
Division of Toxicology
1600 Clifton Road NE, Mailstop E-29
Atlanta, GA 30333

* Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH), Pocket Guide to Chemical Hazards (http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npg/npgd0504.html)

This fact sheet is based on CDC’s best current information. It may be updated as new information becomes available.
 
G

Guest

fuck this i'm getting a new ballast...complete setup..i don't care how much this costs... thanks for the heads up bud, glad you're ok.
 

Mojave Dave

Member
I had no idea that Phosgene gas was THAT fucking bad! And here's the really scary thing...the smell that was described in that text I just read smelled like really new wood. I wonder if that's close enough to the smell of mown grass to be a worry. I'f I keel over and die in the next 48 hours, I'll come back here and let ya know!"

Thanks for that valuable information, mate. This is why I come here...this is the place to get the very best help and advice, bar none!
 
G

Guest

Are there any electrical engineers in the building?

Are there any electrical engineers in the building?

At any rate, for this grow I decided to try using 1000w MH lamp for the vegging stage and then switch over to a 1000w HPS SONT-T lamp for ther flowering phase. I decided to start them on their 12/12 today.

HPS BULB=HPS BALLAST
MH BULB=MH BALLAST

NEVER MIX AND MATCH...maybe i read this wrong, i dunno, maybe its one of those switchables (which i do not trust personaly)
IF THIS UNIT WAS NEW, LOOK INTO WARRANTY INFO

cj
 
G

Guest

It was NOT Phosgene gas /


the 'gas'? emited from a ballest is not harmful
 

Mojave Dave

Member
Someone else suggested that Cyanide was the bi-product of heavy-wire burn. It doesn't matter though, I'm still here and I'll not make that mistake agaiin!

*grin*
 
No Where-Man said:
It was NOT Phosgene gas /


the 'gas'? emited from a ballest is not harmful

On what do you base this? It may be true I don't no, but you offer no rationale or evidence. This was an overheating ballast and in as much as

* Phosgene can be formed when chlorinated hydrocarbon compounds are exposed to high temperatures.

and common synthetic and plastics are chlorinated hydrocarbons including various insulating materials used in electronics and electrical equipment.....

PMZ
 

NiteTiger

Tiger, Tiger, burning bright...
Veteran
Man, close call!

Guess you're glad you didn't take out a big money life insurance policy now, aren't ya ;)
 

Twist

Active member
Phosgene gas happens when you mix Cholorine Bleach and Ammonium in your bathtub, that funny smell is Phosgene gas. And it will kill you ass.

Twist
 
G

Guest

well yeah... ^^^ you will sneeze so hard it will knock you out..posssibly break some ribs...and just lay there and die as you continue to inhale he fumes, unconscious.
scary stuff..i dunno what it was but it probably could have killed you... even if it wasnt exactly extremely poisinous gas...lack of oxygen to the brain...
 

Harry Gypsna

Dirty hippy Bastard
Veteran
the thing about changingmh to hps bulb...if its a switchable ballast its OK...and a lot of the lightswe can get over here in the Uk are made to run boith MH and HPSs...Power plant lighting I can name specificaly now....
 
didnt he also say he went from 600w to 1000w BULB? i didnt see him mention changing the ballast? am i reading this wrong?
 

Harry Gypsna

Dirty hippy Bastard
Veteran
dizzythug420 said:
didnt he also say he went from 600w to 1000w BULB? i didnt see him mention changing the ballast? am i reading this wrong?



no he didnt...yes he did...and yes you are....
LOl, just playing with ya.....

did you ever suss it out dave???
 

indoorsavant

New member
hey guys,so ive been running my 400w mh for a while now.a few months anyway.
the other day i noticed this plastic like smell.which is odd as ive had this grow up for almost a year now,only maybe 4 months with my new light.so i ruled that out.thinking now maybe i shouldnt have.i thought it was my new fan,as i just got that a few days back.it was hooked to a duct to lower temps.after noticing the smell i started looking for it.it seemed to be coming from the ducting that the new fan was hooked to.i sniffed around and cant seem to find the source of it.so i switched the fan and got a replacement.ill be hooking it up tonight.hopefully the smell is gone.
does it mean the ballast is going bad if it is the ballast?or could it be burning off glue or something.im just worried as we have kids and my fiance is pregnant again so it would be a whole family burning up not just my self.its been two nights since i noticed the smell.no fires or smoke or anything.but the smell was there yesterday,but doesnt seem bad today.but the lights are off right now.im confused here guys.please help.....
if it is the ballast i think it has a 5 year warranty but im not the original owner.but the guy i got it from swears its not been used but for one season.guess i cant really find that out for sure though.
 

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