JG Wentworth
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is there any disadvantage from cuttings clones off cloned plants instead of clones off seeded plants?
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can you clone off of a clone?
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roughnice420
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nope, I do it all the time. Supposedly, clones from clones from clones, etc can eventually lose some of their vigour (this usually takes years). I haven't had this problem yet so I'm only speaking based on what a few others have reported.
the root structure, etc. is a lot better on seed grown plants
but ive heard some people claim that genetic drift over time can cause soem degredation but that doesnt make much sense to me. jsut clone good growth, thats not messed up in anyway and it should be fine.
dividing tissues on a mother plant can become mutated but that would most likely affect the way the plant looks and would be rather obvious. such is the case when you see a tree that has one variegated branch, or as my friend observed the other day, an orange with a slice of the skin lacking color
you can end up cloning such tissue mutations but they will most likely not be heritable traits
but ive heard some people claim that genetic drift over time can cause soem degredation but that doesnt make much sense to me. jsut clone good growth, thats not messed up in anyway and it should be fine.
dividing tissues on a mother plant can become mutated but that would most likely affect the way the plant looks and would be rather obvious. such is the case when you see a tree that has one variegated branch, or as my friend observed the other day, an orange with a slice of the skin lacking color
you can end up cloning such tissue mutations but they will most likely not be heritable traits
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NWestCoast
I don't buy into genetic degradation. Mother plants can go to shit however and give off crappy clones that arent what they once were.
You can clone off a clone. You can clone half a cutting. You can root a cutting upsidedown growth tip first in the medium.
You can clone off a clone. You can clone half a cutting. You can root a cutting upsidedown growth tip first in the medium.
Speaking from biological info (as opposed to pot growing info), genetic drift requires reproduction - which is eliminated with cloning. It's not like the movie Multiplicity where you're making a copy of a copy of a copy and there is degradation in the reproductions. A plant clone is literally the same plant as the mother - same exact genetics.
grimcreeper
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Actually, that orange isn't a mutation. They spray them with orange dye to make them more "buyable". It didn't get fully sprayed.
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NWestCoast
exactly right. So in turn, if a mothers health goes to shit, so will the clones. I have experienced this, and expect this is what people call genetic drift/degradation in the pot world
Bill O'Reilly
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Random useful fact of the day:
The naval oranges that you buy in the store today, are clones from a mutant orange tree grown on a Brazilian monestary during the 1800's.
The fruit divides early on to give you the smaller undeveloped Siamese twin orange inside. This has something to do with the orange sex chromosomes, my memory gets fuzzy here, and is why navals do not produce seeds.
In short no cloning is not going to affect the attributes of your plant unless it is mistreated in another way as well.
Yes that Multiplicity movie has really done a lot of damage to the understanding of molecular genetics....fucking Micheal Keaton!
The naval oranges that you buy in the store today, are clones from a mutant orange tree grown on a Brazilian monestary during the 1800's.
The fruit divides early on to give you the smaller undeveloped Siamese twin orange inside. This has something to do with the orange sex chromosomes, my memory gets fuzzy here, and is why navals do not produce seeds.
In short no cloning is not going to affect the attributes of your plant unless it is mistreated in another way as well.
Yes that Multiplicity movie has really done a lot of damage to the understanding of molecular genetics....fucking Micheal Keaton!
Not in the least and actually it will get stronger as the time goes or should I say experienced in the way of the land during that particular generation. Time changes things for the good and the bad it all depends on whats happening in it's world, some even say that the THC of a plant was only developed by the plant over TIME to help protect itself from the sun and then after many generations of evolution they found stoned out cows in the fields and they found the source and well here we are lol.
Bottom Line: If ya gotta good cut (Mom) treat her well and trust me if you take good care of her she'll take good care of you.
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norcalkell
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How old should the clone be, prior to cloning??
its not because they spray oranges with color
http://www.ars-grin.gov/ars/SoAtlantic/fp/hb/bowman/genetics.html
http://www.ars-grin.gov/ars/SoAtlantic/fp/hb/bowman/genetics.html
and yes rando thats why i was saying it doesnt make much sense
but as i pointed out there can be mutations in tissues which will be perpetuated if mutated tissues are cloned, so there is the possibility, but its not very likely that the plant would mutate w/out you realizing it since growth would probably be affected and it would be recognizable
there is also the part where nearly all plant cells have the ability to undifferentiate and become 'stem cells' in a way where they can re-differentiate into new tissue types
but as i pointed out there can be mutations in tissues which will be perpetuated if mutated tissues are cloned, so there is the possibility, but its not very likely that the plant would mutate w/out you realizing it since growth would probably be affected and it would be recognizable
there is also the part where nearly all plant cells have the ability to undifferentiate and become 'stem cells' in a way where they can re-differentiate into new tissue types
