Have you looked at the North Pole lately?

''But-bu- Bu-!!'' isn't acknowledging your end of the debate is what I'm saying.

"Well I don't want to talk about it I want to change the subject" is just being morally lazy.

No, you're just splashing around like a duck trying to take attention away from your desperate comrade trying to Jedi Mind-Trick his way out of his embarrassing position.

mean mr.mustard said:

There's a distinct possibility that he was simply trying to get you to say anything else besides 29%.

And a possibility that by doing so he could reveal you as capable of rational thought does still exist......

Unless you simply can't face a conversation that won't revolve around your magic number.

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You're the one caught not even able to name the law of physics we're talking about here. And I'm the one that caught you, not knowing.

Don't try to Jedi Mind-Trick your way into some superior position in the debate either. You've got the same opportunity to research your teachings everyone else does and you've sat by never saying a word as we've all gone over

(1)The real temperature of the planet Surface

(2)The reason your church doesn't arrive at the right answer

(3)The reason your church can't get traction with it's fake claims the laws of physics on Venus are unusual

(4)The reason your church doesn't teach you the gas laws: the sole chart on the planet regarding gas Energy Constants mandates CO2 doesn't warm air when added, it cools it

(5)The reason your church comes up 33 degrees short is not using the equation of the same gas law
that provides the real chart
for the real Energy Constants
for the real calculations
arriving at the real temperatures,
of Atmospheres and the gases that comprise them,

(6)Th reason your church's claims about warm periods with low ice not being Optimum for global biodiversity - the very word was invented to describe such conditions

On and on we've all gone over it - fake claim after fake claim, and you've been watching, of course you have.

So don't act like I'm the person who is at a loss about what to say, you've been in here desperately wishing for me to eventually be wrong about something for weeks, yourself.

Haven't you..?

Of c.o.u.r.s.e.

you have.

We've gone over how you believe it must be "Dark Illuminatti" who snatched the critical information about how the magicalness, of the gassiness, makes things hundreds of degrees hotter on Venus than the gas laws we flew there using predicted -

how the Dark Illuminatti, me and big AwuL dun took the info right out from everyone's nose, after more than 25 flights there, specifically to check your church's claims.

See right there on the Venera space missions where it says "Scientific Findings"?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venera#Scientific_findings

You remember us going over all that and how you don't know how nearly 30 flights to Venus, had every bit of their scientific findings about how the laws of physics are different on Venus stripped away like... like it was M.a.G.i.C.!



Just kiddin. It wasn't magic it was just real science checking your leadership's bullshit and finding out they're fraud barking liars and fakes. Nothing unusual related to gas functions on Venus.

Isn't that what we've been going over? Of course it is. You just don't want to face it is what's going on.

I was actually testing this person's thinking flexibility.
There's ZERO of it, a useless overwritten brain.


Back to ignore.


Sleep well amigos.

You were testing whether you could generate the courage to admit you're wrong.

Koondense said:

I was actually testing this person's thinking flexibility.
There's ZERO of it, a useless overwritten brain.


Back to ignore.


Sleep well amigos.

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You couldn't so you typed "Look a straw man!''
and admitted you were going back into hiding.

Flexibility?

You've been shown why Glaciations and Interglacials occur.

https://goo.gl/8aB8eR

You've had it revealed to you that 90% of the planet's glaciers are in Antarctica: and that N.A.S.A. - you're church headquarters in most of the Western world - admits they're all as big as they've ever been known to be in recorded history - and that they're almost ALL growing.

https://goo.gl/1c76As

You've had it explained low ice and high warmth traveling to polar regions create what are named 'Global Climate Optima' and that the word ''Optimum" was first coined in English by botanists driving evolutionary science to describe physical conditions that caused plants and animals to thrive using the term "Optimum,"

eventually affixed with the terms "Global" and "Climate" to describe the small points of warmth occurring every hundred thousand years or so during interglacials, in the Vostok Temperature Record chart below.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/optimum-vs-optimal

You've had it explained to you that - it's not even very warm right now considering we're in conditions technically comprising an optimum, albeit momentarily unnamed.

Here's the chart showing how 94% of Earth's history going back a few hundred thousand years has been spent deep in glaciation and how - we're in what's very well known to be a more elliptical - glacier building type orbit that goes directly

hand in hand with the news your church admits 90% of all glaciers on the planet are growing. Not maybe. They're growing and we know why.

The very Ice Age cycles you had explained to you at great length, lasting from 100, to 120 thousand years.

https://www.climate4you.com/images/VostokTemp0-420000 BP.gif

See those little tiny islands of pink, and red barely warm enough to push ice back mostly globally,

amid all those hundreds of thousands of years, in deeper glaciation?

You haven't been flexible enough to answer how you think the current warmth is a threat to - any form of life at all or what makes you think there's ever been a warm period in the range of "optimum" that was bad for global biodiversity.

You also haven't ever answered any questions about your own organization's teachings or ridiculous thermodynamical law violating inversions.

Warm Optima are bad is just one of the many.

All of science landing craft on three planets don't know the real temperature things should be, but the people claiming magic insulation makes more energy leak out of the planet when it makes less leak in, do know.

And furthermore they're able to 'calculate' this 33-degree shortfall without using gas laws to do it.

As they ironically come up the precise 33 degrees short one will,

if one attempts to resolve compressible phase matter temperature/volume/pressure relationships
not using
gas law.

Wow. What a coincidence.

You didn't have any flexible answers for that.

And you didn't have any answers for what happened when we sent around 30 craft there to check your leaders' stories.

About how it's hundreds of degrees warmer than it would be if the Atmosphere there wasn't made of CO2.

Yeah that's right, after more than a dozen flights landed on the surface of Venus,

not a single word about the "Great Scientific Findings on Venus."

Wait that's right there is something about Scientific findings of the 25 craft sent to Venus.
Here it is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venera#Scientific_findings

"Venera Venus Space Probe Scientific Findings"

"There were many scientific findings about Venus from the data retrieved by the Venera probes. For example, ..., it was concluded that the ridges and grooves on the surface of Venus were the result of tectonic deformations."

Wow. They found some grooves in the rocks.

Oh that's right - those flights confirmed that's e.x.a.c.t.l.y. the temperature everyday standard gas law says it had better be.

https://goo.gl/ASBShv

The law you aren't flexible enough to discuss or even name on your own although you consider yourself knowing far more than the person who knew to ask whether you even knew it.

Or knew that it specifically assigns CO2 a lower energy constant, by name, while also naming Atmospheric air - assigning it the higher: meaning that in real mathematics
CO2 added to air, cools it - not warms it.

https://goo.gl/UijenK

Got any flexible answers about the sole chart on the planet containing Gas Energy Constants for CO2 and Air mandating that addition of CO2 to a volume of air, cools it
rather than warms it?

Lack of flexibility is when you can't be flexible enough

to learn the name of the law of physics you're talking about.

Or that only warm periods with low ice and warm temperatures can formally be named Global Climate Optima.

"The best climate can be for global biodiversity."

Here's the chart that looked like "The sky igniting in unquenchable hellfire: almost certain runaway energy leaks from Earth, with more and more emitting from the planet,

every time the GHGs made less go into it.

That red part on the right hand side of the graph is your

"Unquenchable runaway hellfire, of unprecedented, and unstoppable man made warming.''

https://goo.gl/CNLkEo

Koondense said:

I was actually testing this person's thinking flexibility.
There's ZERO of it, a useless overwritten brain.


Back to ignore.


Sleep well amigos.

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Yeah, I think at this point it's a big mistake to interact with this person in any way.

I recall one post from some time back where he mentioned having a wife. Can you imagine being married to someone like that? Poor woman!

The logic is flawed from the very start.

If anything stops 29% from going in then it will stop 29% of the remaining 71% from leaving.... not to mention the rock you refer to.

That leaves no person with a functional mind believing your 100% if they play inside your rules.

Since that is all you're hinging everything on I suggest you shut up.

You're absolutely right your logic is flawed from the beginning. I suggest you learn the real name of the law used,

and the real mathematical process, regarding calculation of the planet's real surface temperature, and what that temperature is. 288 Kelvin.

Your not bothering to have learned even the name of the law of physics you're talking about, is what has you so sullen and angry you can't defend what you claim.

mean mr.mustard said:

The logic is flawed from the very start.

If anything stops 29% from going in then it will stop 29% of the remaining 71% from leaving.... not to mention the rock you refer to.

That leaves no person with a functional mind believing your 100% if they play inside your rules.

Since that is all you're hinging everything on I suggest you shut up.

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Here are about a half dozen Aerospace instructors explaining how the real temperature of the planet is calculated,

using the real mathematics,

associated with the real law of physics governing gas, hence Atmospheric temperatures.

https://goo.gl/6Y9HEL

mean mr.mustard said:

If anything stops 29% from going in then it will stop 29% of the remaining 71% from leaving.... not to mention the rock you refer to.

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Show me your claim being part of the real scientific calculation

of the planet's real surface temperature,

using the real law of physics

written to do it, and arriving at the

real surface temperature 288 K.

Show me/us/everybody one instance in all thermodynamics, when a cold Nitrogen bath, laced with light blocking refrigerants,

made a light-warmed object in it warmer, than if there was no cold light blocking Nitrogen bath.

It's your belief system, I'm just asking you to show us what creates your fervency of belief a cold, light blocking, Nitrogen atmospheric bath, made something put into it warmer, than if there was no cold bath, while making nearly 30% less energy warm it.

29%?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pVBTvaZdKM

LOL, "NASA admits 90% of glaciArs are growing"
Did anyone read what a joke is this? Ok, the antarctic land ice is growing, no doubt about it(it's a consequence of global warming actually).
But some say this goes for 90% of the world glaciers while in fact speaks ONLY about antarctica. I can only assume 90% of world's glaciers are on antarctica.


Then these optimums... go and tell to the people from Amsterdam, NY, Venice, Daka and ALL the coastal cities they should be happy because we'll see sea level rise, because it's how an optimum is.


Clearly someone here lacks perspective big time.
Just get out.

You've had it revealed to you that 90% of the planet's glaciers are in Antarctica: and that N.A.S.A. - you're church headquarters in most of the Western world - admits they're all as big as they've ever been known to be in recorded history - and that they're almost ALL growing.

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NASA published studies in 2015 saying the Antarctic ice sheet was growing by 82 billion tons per year. While Greenland is losing 270 billion tons per year.

That would be a net loss.

Stop posturing like a clown. 90% of all the world's glacial ice is in Antarctica. Nobody consulted you to see if it's ok, I told you.


https://goo.gl/VBxKrF

You're going to be living with it, and you're either going to act like a science blighting kook about it or conduct yourself like an adult:

but you will be living with that fact, and the one that they've never been seen to contain so much ice, and with the fact we're in an elliptical orbit right now predictive of growing glaciation.

Koondense said:

LOL, "NASA admits 90% of glaciArs are growing"
Did anyone read what a joke is this? Ok, the antarctic land ice is growing, no doubt about it(it's a consequence of global warming actually).
But some say this goes for 90% of the world glaciers while in fact speaks ONLY about antarctica. I can only assume 90% of world's glaciers are on antarctica.


Then these optimums... go and tell to the people from Amsterdam, NY, Venice, Daka and ALL the coastal cities they should be happy because we'll see sea level rise, because it's how an optimum is.


Clearly someone here lacks perspective big time.
Just get out.

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When you get some perspective you can grow up and face the facts.

You're obviously deeply in denial here this morning.

Those studies were discovered to be wrong: they were partly based on quantities of water flowing from beneath many glaciers at the edges of Greenland's massive ice sheet which holds nearly all of the other 10% of the planet's ice

the 90% of planetary ice Antarctica's massive glaciation doesn't contain.

Those waters were found to be actual sub surface water leaking out of the ground, under the ice.

Cannavore said:

NASA published studies in 2015 saying the Antarctic ice sheet was growing by 82 billion tons per year. While Greenland is losing 270 billion tons per year.

That would be a net loss.

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The massive main part of the Ice sheet has been growing for decades and is itself, in fact nearing record levels.

https://www.longrangeweather.com/ArticleArchives/GreenlandIceSheet.htm

https://goo.gl/DdsCBx <--- 2017 Greenland Ice Sheet, world's second largest, near record levels.

https://nsidc.org/greenland-today/

"From October 2017 to September 2018, continued heavy snowfall on the southeastern coast resulted in near-record snow mass added to the ice sheet.

As noted in the previous post, exceptional winter snow accumulation and heavy, summer snowfall, drove the net snow input mass to 130 billion tons above the 1981 to 2010 average.

This was followed by a near-average melt and runoff period, resulting in a large net mass gain for the ice sheet in 2018 of 150 billion tons.

This is the largest net gain from snowfall since 1996, and the highest snowfall since 1972."

There are times when melts occur across almost half the surface of Greenland's Ice pack. This enormous, miles-deep ice pack is the world's second largest and no melt of any size has done anything to stop the ever growing depth of ice on the main inland pack.

http://nsidc.org/greenland-today/2018/04/2017-review-and-2018-season-kick-off/

"The 2017 melt season was less intense than recent years, and was below average melt in the 1981 to 2010 reference period."

" Surface melting was particularly low in southeastern Greenland. In general, melting was limited to low elevations (below 1500 meters or 4900 feet) along the western and northeastern coastlines."

"Fewer melt days than average occurred along the Davis Strait and the interior melt pond region along the central western coast."

"Overall, the 2017 melt season was the lowest since 1996. Although it began and ended with a few large melt events, the middle of the melt season through mid-July was below average—only briefly picking up intensity late in July through mid-August."

Quick Facts on Ice Sheets
What is an ice sheet?

Credit: NSIDC

An ice sheet is a mass of glacial land ice extending more than 50,000 square kilometers (20,000 square miles).

The two ice sheets on Earth today cover most of Greenland and Antarctica.

During the last ice age, ice sheets also covered much of North America and Scandinavia.

Together, the Antarctic and Greenland ice sheets contain more than 99 percent of the freshwater ice on Earth."

https://nsidc.org/cryosphere/quickfacts/icesheets.html

"Bu-BU-BuT!" isn't an adult response either so don't think the next one of you to try it is going to Jedi Mind-Trick your way out.

List of glaciers NOT within the 99% of all glaciers on Earth,

locked into the near record Greenland
and record-level Antarctic Ice sheets,

known to be growing:

India - Record snowfall revives 2,000 glaciers
17 Feb 11 - Already more snowfall this month than
1998 record for the entire month.


NORWAY
Ålfotbreen Glacier

Briksdalsbreen Glacier

Nigardsbreen Glacier

Hardangerjøkulen Glacier

Hansebreen Glacier

Jostefonn Glacier

Engabreen glacier (The Engabreen glacier
is the second largest glacier in Norway.

It is a part (a glacial tongue) of the Svartisen glacier,
which has steadily increased in mass since the
1960s when heavier winter precipitation set in.)

CANADA
Helm Glacier

Place Glacier


FRANCE
Mt. Blanc - Mont Blanc Glacier almost doubles in size

ECUADOR
Antizana 15 Alpha Glacier

Italy
8 Feb 2011 - Glaciers are growing on two different mountains in Italy - Mount Canin and Mount Montasio.

SWITZERLAND
Silvretta Glacier

KIRGHIZTAN
Abramov Glacier

RUSSIA
Maali Glacier (This glacier is surging.)


CHILE
Pio XI, the largest glacier in South America, grows
50 meters in height, length and density every day.

See Pio XI - Largest glacier in Chile - Growing every day

NEW ZEALAND
All 48 glaciers in the Southern Alps have grown during the past year.
The growth is at the head of the glaciers, high in the mountains, where they
gained more ice than they lost. Noticeable growth should be seen at the
foot of the Fox and Franz Josef glaciers within two to three years.(27 May 2003)

31 Jan 07 - Franz Josef Glacier still on the march

ARGENTINA
Argentina's Perito Moreno Glacier, the largest glacier in Patagonia,
is advancing at the rate of 7 feet per day. The 250 km² ice formation, 30 km long, is one of 48 glaciers fed by the Southern Patagonian Ice Field.

This ice field, located in the Andes system shared with Chile,
is the world's third largest reserve of fresh water.


UNITED STATES
- Colorado (100 previously unknown glaciers discovered)

- Washington (Mount St. Helens, Mt. Rainier* and Mt. Shuksan

- California (Mount Shasta -

- Montana (multiple large glaciers growing)

- Glacier Peak, WA (scroll down for info

- Alaska (Mt. McKinley and Hubbard).

SPAIN
Glaciers growing in Spain (Pyrinees)
10 Jan 11 - El glaciar del Infierno (glacier of Hell) continues to advance.

99% of all glacial ice on this planet is locked up in the near-record Greenland ice sheet

- almost 10% of all the world's ice,

or else locked up in the known record-level Antarctic ice sheet

- 90% of all the world's glacial ice.

Of the tiny fraction left, less than 1% of all Earth's ice
not in those two record level gigantic glacial sheets,

a huge number of them - most of them, actually -
are growing.

So much for you peoples' church's KooK claims

"the world's glacial ice is shrinking."

Or that anywhere near an entire 1% of them are even POSSIBLY shrinking.

Not even a whole 1% of Earth ice, is NOT locked into those two gigantic, record & near record glacial sheets.

Which obviously reveals to you, the befuddled, not even 1% of all glaciers on Earth can be melting.

Again: there's not even a whole 1% of all ice on Earth outside those two massive, near-record and at-record level, ice sheets.

That ice is very useful to make drinking water for all the permanent residents of Antarctica.

LoL good point.

Koondense said:

That ice is very useful to make drinking water for all the permanent residents of Antarctica.

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