Sick and small the church,need help

Agropop · Jan 2, 2011

Hi

, Im first time grower and I need help, I don`t know what exactly is wrong with my plant...
Is it too much fertilizer or N deficiency or something else??

the church approx 25days old...under 600w agro lamp approx 50cm from top of the plant, 18/6h in soil 6,6 to 6,9ph watered with water from pipe 7ph...
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legaliserdk · Jan 2, 2011

transplant them into light proof pots, fresh soil, se how it goes.

northstate · Jan 2, 2011

Hey and welcome to the crew! That is the early signs of a N def. starts at the bottom first, leaf tips turn light green, whole leaf light green, dead. The plant just ate it to keep growing. Transplant them into new pots 3L light proof or more depends on space. I am in the US and slowly learning metric. They look healthy so dont feed too much, start just below half dose and go up from there. Watch for chlorine in water(maybe not in EU?) bubble for 24hrs if so.
Add some perlte for drainage to soil and dont overwater. Lots to think about but the less you do its easier to know whats working and whats not. Great start have fun and good luck. NS

vince514 · Jan 2, 2011

those rusty spots are usually from ph swings ..get that thing outta that plastic cup and int something more suitable..... a ph of 7 is a bit too high usually in soil a ph of 6.2-6.3 is in optimal range .... try to bring you ph down a little .... what brand of soil are you using?

Agropop · Jan 3, 2011

Chlorine is present in eu waters also. I will use water which comes from the hill near me, I tested ph of this water and its 6,3/6,4 I hope the plants will recover...
The soil I used I think its not popular (I was looking for ideal ph of soil in the first place), for direct transplanting potted plants... clayey soil, peat,grinding of bricks tiles river, compost, humus and other minerals, ph 6,6 to 6,9 and I mixed perlite in this soil http://img407.imageshack.us/i/alim1588.jpg/

Can I use fertilizer to fix that problem with leaves and slow growth, with fertilizer with NPK 8:4:4 ?

Thanks for help!

vince514 · Jan 3, 2011

well where i am we have chlorene, floride and fluorene its a bad mix for plants....i leave my water standing for 2 days atleast before i give that to my plants ..you could also add a bubbler to your rez to aerate the water that would help dissipate the cholorene and the other nasties......

clayey soil, peat,grinding of bricks tiles river, compost, humus and other minerals, ph 6,6 to 6,9 and I mixed perlite in this soil http://img407.imageshack.us/i/alim1588.jpg/

^^^^^^ this is the current soil conditions???

im no expert on soil mixes but thats sounds rather heavy and possibly soggy when wet......i suggest a professional soil mix like promix , foxfarm ,lamberts Etc... nice and light and good drainage..

instead of feeding them because it looks like N might be getting locked out try and transplant it into some fresh soil but when you do try and brush off some of the old soil from the base of the plant to get rid of excess old high ph soil.... , then place it in its new home and give a small amound of ph 6.2 water and wait a few days until it dryes out .. within a week im sure you'll plant will turn around.... :tiphat:

Cimis · Jan 4, 2011

Hello! I've got the same tipe of plants and the same problems!!

To be honest only the 2 little ones are "the church" and the other are bag seeds.They're under 4 18W neon lights (T8's) that give72W + 2 30W cfl, with 2 pc fans for intake and exhaust.
Here are some photos taken today.

I don't think it's an N deficency becouse I use Atami B'cuzz soil and grow nutes and my plants are like youres. It could be a pH problem...I used tap water with a pH of 6.9 / 7 for the first 2 weeks so maybe that's the thing. On the other hand, in the last 2 weeks the water that I used had a pH of 6.5 but nothing changed...
Hope we find a solution! Cheers! :tiphat:

ps. Sorry for my bad englesh, I got a little rusty!

lasko · Jan 4, 2011

Agro transplant them in bigger light proof pots and they will be ok. Thats a common problem with indica hybrids in small pots. Lack of N, rootbound and light on roots, but im also shure that they have some water stress in theirs life. I mean soil was dried out and than overwatered - that is the biggest problem normaly and can play a big role in ph swings. I use tap water with ph 8 - 8,2 for 25 years without problems

peace bro

northstate · Jan 4, 2011

Agro- When you transplant, get some better type of soil from a nursery and dont feed them for a week after you do. If you can get earth worm castings(poop) mix that in to the new dirt or place on top of soil and water in, lots of microbial life. New pots should do a lot and ph is important but dont change it up or down too fast. They will do good for you once you find how to treat them. NS

Agropop · Jan 4, 2011

O lasko my man,thanks for help :wave:

I have two types of pots prepared at home 25x25x25 and 30cm height oval of jupol. Do jou think that pots of jupol will be owersized and are waste of space? Because some people hvae said to me so,and I dont know should I use 11l pots or those bigger pots of jupol.
So If I prepar my waters ph at 6,8 it will be ok, just I must not overwater the plants?
Do jou boil jour tap water?
What is approx size in ml for normal watering?

That happend with my plant when I watered it yesterday, and today she looks like she will dye... I used water from the hill and ph of this water was measured 6,4.
http://img266.imageshack.us/i/alim1589.jpg/
It looks overwatered a?

lasko imas laško v dobrem!

northstate · Jan 4, 2011

Agropop-

Just looked at your pic. and that is bad dirt i think. Ph inside of roots may be low and it looks like they get too much water. Have been doing this for more than five years now and that plant needs some new quality dirt and if you want a big plant use the 11L just veg for a longer time and top your plant once when around 20cm and spread out all of the new branches when they grow. Wait until your container is lighter before you water it again, two maybe three days I would guess? That soil looks too compact to let in air and dry things out. Good luck over there...NS

kmk420kali · Jan 4, 2011

Yes, get some good soil....and pull that leaf off-- Maybe try some bottled water (Spring water, not distilled) Besides chlorine, they use stuff called chloramine, and it will not evaporate--
But it just looks like a transplant into proper soil will do the trick-- :tiphat:

Ps...I grew some Church last year, and it was a really nice smoke-- Good luck--

lasko · Jan 5, 2011

Agro 11l pots will be enough, that jupol are 20l if i remember right. In 11l pots you can veg them for 4-5 weeks and then flower them out. if you wanna veg them longer use jupol pots.
Get that soil i wrote in slo forum and you wont have problems.
I dont boil tap water, just leave it for few hours befor use it.

laško anytime

peace

Agropop · Jan 5, 2011

I forgot to mention that I will buy new better soil

I bought today new soil, (n8) and I will use those 11l black pots

With what ph value should I do the first flush of the soil,how important is ph of water for the first flush?

I will post pics of that new soil l8r

lasko · Jan 5, 2011

Just replant them and no need to worry bout ph, just dont overwater them. In 11l pots you will need to water them once a week in the start, later every 3-4 days

Agropop · Jan 8, 2011

Hi here I am, I transplanted my plants in to the new soil and In to the new bigger black pots ... I must say it is a big differenece in the look-health and height of the plants after just 24hours,thanks for advices! :jump:

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northstate · Jan 8, 2011

Great to hear things are looking better. start slow with the food, and let them dry out a bit between waterings. Grab earthworm castings and molasses if you can they are great for general health. Happy growing NS

p.s. plants in big pots eat less until they are bigger size.

Agropop · Jan 11, 2011

Hi, does anyone know what the reason is for these signs on these two plants?
I transplanted plants in to the new soil before 4days and not watered them yet and I think I will not water it for at least for several days...
Plant A
http://img651.imageshack.us/i/plantam.jpg/
http://img210.imageshack.us/i/planta1z.jpg/
http://img508.imageshack.us/i/planta2w.jpg/
Plant B
http://img121.imageshack.us/i/plantb.jpg/
http://img573.imageshack.us/i/plantb1.jpg/

Question about ph lowering... To get to pH 6,2 - 6.3, by how much should I lower pH at every watering?

merlot · Jan 11, 2011

About the PH... depends on what it is coming out of the tap or your filter. Where I live its around 7.4, so would have to lower it 1.1-1.3 .. So all depends on where you live.

Some of your leaves are pretty yellow and wilted, do you have earth worm castings in your soil at all?

Agropop · Jan 12, 2011

I do not know if I have worm castings in the soil, I dont understand German language or Espaniol...
I took pics of soil specifications but are only in German, Italian and Espaniol language

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