Penn remarks on presidents hypocrisy on drug use

Penn Jillette rips Obama on drug 'hypocrisy'...

He's 100% correct in that if the president had been busted for the drugs he said he used, he'd have a felony on his record, and ineligible for almost every job.

Do we believe, even for a second, that if Obama had been busted for marijuana -- under the laws that he condones -- would his life have been better? If Obama had been caught with the marijuana that he says he uses, and 'maybe a little blow'... if he had been busted under his laws, he would have done hard f*cking time. And if he had done time in prison, time in federal prison, time for his 'weed' and 'a little blow,' he would not be President of the United States of America. He would not have gone to his fancy-a** college, he would not have sold books that sold millions and millions of copies and made millions and millions of dollars, he would not have a beautiful, smart wife, he would not have a great job. He would have been in f*cking prison, and it's not a god damn joke. People who smoke marijuana must be set free. It is insane to lock people up.

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And Penn doesn't even do drugs, or drink.

He's right, of course - but being right rarely has anything to do with it.

Might is right - cash is king - politicians make the rules, fools elect them but don't hold them accountable - pay your way, get to play.

Corporations are people - and real people are of no consequence. It's the bottom line above all else. Respect my authoritah, kiss the ring. Because we said so.

Barry O is a polit - they are accountable to the people who pay their salaries, and he is giving those people their moneys worth. His POTUS salary is peanuts compared to what the donors are giving him, so the donors are getting the bast bang for buck.

There is no money in legalization - only in medication. Medication will win, it's already been bought and paid for. Just like the politicians - bought, and paid for.

White-rhino said:

Penn Jillette rips Obama on drug 'hypocrisy'...

He's 100% correct in that if the president had been busted for the drugs he said he used, he'd have a felony on his record, and ineligible for almost every job.

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Actually his point is 100% irrelevent since Obama never promised to do anything about the anti marijuana laws. It's also true for anyone, if anyone was busted and convicted as a felon that record would affect the entirety of thier life. I can say this because I was convicted and do have a felony record that has prevented me from fullfilling my potential. His point is also speculative because at the time Obama used things were not the same, me and him are approximately the same age and I can recall a time round when Obama was likely toking, where a cop pulled me over for something else and found a half ounce a friend riding with me had stupidly left on the dashboard that I didn't notice until too late. What did the cop do? He dumped the bag out on the ground, crushed it into the ground with his heel and sent me off with a warning for driving on temporary tags. I also got busted roughly around the time Obama smoked some pot and maybe used a little blow but that time was for dealing. As far as I know Obama never dealt weed. Had he done so then maybe Penn might have had a point.

Wonder what Teller had to say?

to bad 'ol john sinclair didn't live where you do...
most likely Obama's skin color would have yielded a significantly different result from your half ounce...
lets just say it would not have been the weed smashed into the ground.

the big O went on record for decriminalization then flipped.

but i agree i didn't expect any different from him. i just didn't expect escalation!

HempKat said:

Actually his point is 100% irrelevent since Obama never promised to do anything about the anti marijuana laws. It's also true for anyone, if anyone was busted and convicted as a felon that record would affect the entirety of thier life. I can say this because I was convicted and do have a felony record that has prevented me from fullfilling my potential. His point is also speculative because at the time Obama used things were not the same, me and him are approximately the same age and I can recall a time round when Obama was likely toking, where a cop pulled me over for something else and found a half ounce a friend riding with me had stupidly left on the dashboard that I didn't notice until too late. What did the cop do? He dumped the bag out on the ground, crushed it into the ground with his heel and sent me off with a warning for driving on temporary tags. I also got busted roughly around the time Obama smoked some pot and maybe used a little blow but that time was for dealing. As far as I know Obama never dealt weed. Had he done so then maybe Penn might have had a point.

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You have the biggest streak of out and out contrary I've ever had to witness. Did someone touch you in a bad place when you were young? Or maybe didn't touch you in a good place? I don't understand how one person can be against everything anyone else says.

dagnabit said:

to bad 'ol john sinclair didn't live where you do...
most likely Obama's skin color would have yielded a significantly different result from your half ounce...
lets just say it would not have been the weed smashed into the ground.

the big O went on record for decriminalization then flipped.

but i agree i didn't expect any different from him. i just didn't expect escalation!

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Really? I don't think so, they guy who owned the half ounce and who admitted to the cops it was his was black. I know it's simply impossible for you to believe anything other then the stereotypes drummed into your head from both sides. Unlike you though I was there and am speaking from actual first hand experience rather then pure speculation and opinion.

Also the only way you can really make the claim of escalation stick is if you go with the whole, "Well it happened on his watch so it's his fault" arguement. Fact is the people responsible for the escalation against dispensaries have gone on record as acting on thier own accord without orders or permission from the White House or the Attorney General. Oh I know it's all BS and they likely just said that to keep Obama's name out. Funny how you types who blindly argue against Obama are quick to hold him accountable to your interpretations of things he's said on record when it works in favor of your arguement but when someone goes on record with things that work against your arguement it should be dismissed. Too bad 'ol John Sinclair and everyone else doesn't live where you do so we can all have our cake and eat it too.

You watch this video from 2008 where during an interview Obama very clearly states he favors decriminalization. If you watch this and take his words at face value and walk away think Obama supports decriminalization, then I want some of whatever you're smoking. The fact is that the vast majority of people agaainst Obama now that supported him before are there because they heard what they wanted to hear when he talked about change. This is true for marijuana users who thought he was going to decriminalize or legalize marijuana.This is true for all the blacks that voted for him because he was black figuring "A brotha is gonna hook anotha brotha up yo" This is true for all the poor who thought he was going to give out even more money then he has given out in spite of the fact everyone knows there is no money to be given out and nobody that has any money to pitch in towards fixing things wants to pitch in. This is true for all the liberal pacifists that thought he would march into the oval office and call all the troops home instantly which would result in a disaster that totally undoes what 1000's of our bravest and most patriotic young men and women have died for? I could go on and on, and the final analysis is that all of you that got anything more then the same only political doublespeak the US has been getting my entire 50 some years in this land, you all played yourselves.


The only thing different about Obama really then any other past president is that he's black. He happens to be gifted with a talent for speaking and a gift of Charisma that reminds older folks of JFK and that's probably why so many people let thier imaginations run wild.

I know this is going to sound ugly and if it does, deal with it because it's also the gospel truth. Obama got elected because of the aforementioned and because we as a nation were both desperate, and apathetic. Apathetic in that even though voter turnout was better then it's been since the days of JFK but not guite as high as back then and either way it is just less then half of our voting eligable population bothering to vote. Hell even under serious threat of death from their own people and with a government everyone knew was flawed and thrust upon them turnout was greater then the US has ever been over in Iraq. That's nearly half our population that doesn't really believe in the very system governing thier lives. With good reason too when you closely examine the Federal Government track record from day one. We do a piss poor job in electing a government who will truely serve the will of the people as it was meant to be. I say desperate in that we elected a black man. Qualification wise the democrats really should have nominated Hillary but while we were desperate we weren't that desperate. No offense to women meant on my part, personally I think women are perfectly capable of being just as corrupt as men, just look at Nancy Pelosi. Me personally though I like women in politics because they're usually not as bad corruption wise as their male counterparts. I say this without doubt or hesitation because why would we put any man let alone a black man in office if he had no other real qualifications then that he was a man? Hilary almost made it though and that was because Obama was a black man and the nation had to chew long and hard on that one. Some like to think Obama made it because we've really changed as a nation and put childish racist ideoligies behind us but it's not true and you can see it in how easily everyone disrespects the office of the President because he's black. I remember a time growing up where people had more respect for the office even when they didn't like the guy in it. Not only that though. All one needs do to see the race issue is as alive and well as ever is to look at the Trayvon Martin case and the Jena 6 case as just two of many recent examples. Find any story on line about Martin and/or Zimmerman and read the comments section and you'll find plenty of racial vitriol typical of knuckle dragging morons on both sides. There is not even an atom of doubt in my mind Obama got elected out of desperation.

The only positive I can say about Obama is that to be fair he's not really been given a decent chance. I say this because he's the one who gets blamed for the bailouts when really the bailouts started with Bush but now that many of the bailouts are actually returning a profit some of those same folks blaming Obama are now crediting Bush. That and the whole republican party, who controls the house and a large enough portion of the senate to keep the dems from having a super majority, vowing to do everything in thier power to block anything Obama tries to do. Even if it goes against the will of the constituency of those republicans. Because of these things Obama really hasn't hard a fair chance to show us what he can do. The few things he did accomplish even have been so perverted by Obama's willingness to try and work with the republicans that they're not really making enough of a difference. Yet inspite of all these obstacles and a much fuller plate then most presidents have ever had let alone a rookie senator the nation has improved and maybe, just maybe if our representatives did thier jobs rather then play the games they do, maybe the people suffering the most with this sluggish economy may be able to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and get this nation back to it's former greatness. As long as we keep playing this Capitalist vs Socialist, Republican vs Democrat, Conservative vs Liberal, Rich vs Poor and Whites vs everybody else bullshit we've been playing the past few centuries though then we will continue to fail and democracy as we know it will fail with us.

The only solution is for all Americans to get off their fat, lazy, ignorant, McDonalds, Taco Bell and Pizza Hut eating asses, stop being so fucking self indulgent and get out there and learn the issues and vote like we give a fuck. Vote like we are the shining example of democracy we're supposed to be. I don't care who you vote for just do it for a reason greater then because that's the party you always vote for. That and don't do it just once. Do it each and every mother fucking time you get a chance for the rest of your life and let your representative know that if they don't do what the voters tell them to do they are out of there. This ability to vote is a god damn right and priviledge and yet we waste it. Yeah the system is fucked and yeah most likely it'll be a long time before it gets significantly better. But all that's true because We The People allow it to be. This shit is all for us, it was made for us by us and it's spelled out in the first three words of the Constitution. We The (motherfucking) People. It's high time we take control of this wreck while we still can. Hell I'm not even entirely certain there is a chance for us anymore we've allowed the corruption so deep. I'm certain of this though, if we keep doing the same thing we've been doing though it's only going to get worse and eventually it will be too late.

/end rant

BurrZurrKurr said:

You have the biggest streak of out and out contrary I've ever had to witness. Did someone touch you in a bad place when you were young? Or maybe didn't touch you in a good place? I don't understand how one person can be against everything anyone else says.

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Wow, your life is really so pathetic that you go around trying to quantify how much a person agrees or disagrees with others? What the fuck business of it is yours? You the contrarian Police? Maybe you need to just worry about who disagrees with you and leave other peoples disagreements to them? I've got no problem agreeing with people who make fair observations but if someone makes an observation I feel is wrong then I'm going to say something. You don't like that? Too bad, I'm not here for you.

Oh and you don't want to have to witness my conversations with others? Try the ignore switch genius

Lots of anger lately.

Damn fellas.

Anti said:

Lots of anger lately.

Damn fellas.

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It was a bad day for me yesterday my back was killing me and I'm out of pain meds until tomorrow. Fortunately I feel better today. I still meant most of what I said I just might have put it a little nicer.

HempKat said:

Really? I don't think so, they guy who owned the half ounce and who admitted to the cops it was his was black. I know it's simply impossible for you to believe anything other then the stereotypes drummed into your head from both sides. Unlike you though I was there and am speaking from actual first hand experience rather then pure speculation and opinion.

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actually i was referencing the well known disparity in not only arrest rates but also conviction rates and severity of sentencing between whites and non whites..

but you were having a day. i get it!

Good to know

dagnabit said:

actually i was referencing the well known disparity in not only arrest rates but also conviction rates and severity of sentencing between whites and non whites..

but you were having a day. i get it!

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Well it may be a well known disparity but back in the 70's it wasn't as bad as it is today. The disparity you mention really didn't take hold until crack started hitting the streets and this was prior to that. However you were making it sound as if it had happened to a black person at the same time and place things would have been different which is incorrect as it did happen to a black man at that time and place.

I'm sorry if reality challenges your time honored beliefs.

Hypocrisy? From an American President. Surely you jest?

/sarc

HempKat said:

Well it may be a well known disparity but back in the 70's it wasn't as bad as it is today. The disparity you mention really didn't take hold until crack started hitting the streets and this was prior to that. However you were making it sound as if it had happened to a black person at the same time and place things would have been different which is incorrect as it did happen to a black man at that time and place.

I'm sorry if reality challenges your time honored beliefs.

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you are probably right.
i thought racial disparity in drug enforcement dated back to anslinger and the idea that "negroes" would get out of control and attack white women....
but it was not till the crack came along huh?
neat!
here i thought maybe your pal was the exception that proves the rule.
but nope no racial disparity in the '70s nosiree.....

the point is hypocrisy.
O is one just like bushie(smoked,snorted and drank)
clinton(smoked but did not inhale lol)

now i believe bush 1 may have never smoked.
but ronnie?
hollywood actor? big time hypocrite. (surely puffed in hollywood)


time honored beliefs?
that the war on drugs inherently is racist?
not challenged one bit.

dagnabit said:

you are probably right.
i thought racial disparity in drug enforcement dated back to anslinger and the idea that "negroes" would get out of control and attack white women....
but it was not till the crack came along huh?
neat!
here i thought maybe your pal was the exception that proves the rule.
but nope no racial disparity in the '70s nosiree.....

the point is hypocrisy.
O is one just like bushie(smoked,snorted and drank)
clinton(smoked but did not inhale lol)

now i believe bush 1 may have never smoked.
but ronnie?
hollywood actor? big time hypocrite. (surely puffed in hollywood)


time honored beliefs?
that the war on drugs inherently is racist?
not challenged one bit.

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This is why I dislike discussing things with you, you almost always take what I say and then twist it. I did not say racial disparity in drug arrests didn't exist until crack. I said it really didn't take hold until crack. In other words prior to crack you had racial disparity but it was mostly in the south where racial issues already existed regardless of drugs. When crack came along though you started to see things similar to what is depicted in the movie New Jack City pop up in major cities all over. Everytime I've seen debates on drug arrest disparity it was always pointed out how white getting busted with $100 worth of blow getting slapped on the wrist while blacks getting busted with a few grams of crack were getting serious prison sentences.

As for hypocrisy and politics, those things are virtually synonymous and have been since long before Anslinger. As for your time honored belief that the war on drugs is inherently racist and Anslinger, Well the WOD was started by Nixon about 7 years after Anslinger retired from governmentand 4 years before his death. Now yes racial prejudices were used as part of the scare campaign against marijuana prior to the WOD and not just with Blacks but also Mexicans. The real motivations though were more business related issues connected to folks like William Randolf Hearst. The racial aspect that you allude to therefore was more just propaganda then it was a disparity in arrests. Also any racial disparities of that time were more due to the fact that it was mostly blacks and Mexicans using marijuana, whites were just starting to learn about it. Therefore it was just the realities of the time. Since more blacks and Mexicans were using it then obviously more were arrested for it.

I think a lot of blacks getting busted for drugs has to do with them dealing them on the street. Easy busts for the cops if they are out on the sidewalk selling to whoever. I see them doing busts on them all the time on the cop shows.

I seldom see whites doing this kind of dealing on tv but have no experience with street dealers in real life, even when I bought illegal. Friend of a friend of a dealer kind of thing.

dagnabit said:

you are probably right.
i thought racial disparity in drug enforcement dated back to anslinger and the idea that "negroes" would get out of control and attack white women....
but it was not till the crack came along huh?
neat!
here i thought maybe your pal was the exception that proves the rule.
but nope no racial disparity in the '70s nosiree.....

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as far as this issue goes HK has a valid point about the 'old days', back in the 70s when I was @ full swing in party mode we had more cops that went by 'common sense law' as opposed to 'statutory law' as they focus on today.

In the old days a cop might take into consideration whatever circumstances presented themselves at the time and not arrest a person for simple possession, the cop might even walk away w/out taking the weed as happened to me more than once. that'd be considered common sense law. Had I been caught breaking into cars & having weed on me you can bet I'd be busted for both.

Today most cops focus on statutory law writing you up or arresting a person for every single offense on the books he can find, today police departments are awarded federal monies based on the number of drug busts they make in the community. A cop who makes many busts is fast tracking his career at the expense of his fellow citizens.

yesum said:

I think a lot of blacks getting busted for drugs has to do with them dealing them on the street. Easy busts for the cops if they are out on the sidewalk selling to whoever. I see them doing busts on them all the time on the cop shows.

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Thats 168,126 stops of young black men, when there are
only 158,406 young black men living in NYC.



Whites make up 47.3% of the population, yet only 13.3% of the stops...

My ancestors avoided the sun, so i am less likely to be criminal...

Penn hit it right on the head, if Obama was busted with a joint, he would never have ascended the ladder to the Presidency.

Theyre trying to build a prison!



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