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Let's Spy on the Spies!

Skip

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All this fuss over the spying at the UN got me thinking again about transparency in government. Look at how everyone either lies about or doesn't disclose what is obvious to everyone in diplomatic circles, that bugging is a fact of life for politicians.

Yet, why is that bugging is limited to spy agencies? And why are such "open" institutions like the UN being spied upon anyway? Especially when it claims to be completely transparent?

Isn't it strange that the WARMAKERS spy on the PEACEMAKERS? What if we were to turn this all around? What would we have?

Why not allow THE PEOPLE to spy or 'LISTEN-IN' to the conversations their ELECTED leaders are having? These politicians are YOUR employees, and as we all know employers all too often spy on employees these days, why is it different for politicians (who also seem to be immune to random drug testing!)

So why not have at least audio and video devices turned on every minute that our leaders are acting on behalf of WE THE PEOPLE. How is it that with today's technological prowess we are denied the right to know what is REALLY GOING ON with our government, especially when they seem to be more than willing to spill American blood on foreign soil for oil.

How is it that our servants have become our masters? Spying upon us when it suits them, yet denying us the right to spy on them. What makes them so MORALLY SUPERIOR, that they don't even have to follow the same rules that are supposed to apply to all Americans? Why have we granted them such power? And isn't it time we took that power of supervising our employees back?

Even the top leaders should be transparent and bugged! That would not only restore trust in our leadership, but accountability and responsibility would be impossible to avoid.

And that situation can only benefit WE THE PEOPLE in the face of corporate dominance of our politicians and corrupt political processes.

The only defence they can muster to this call for complete openness is "national security".

I believe in "personal accountability" by our leaders, and I'm certain not just "national security", but WORLD SECURITY will be even more ensured when THE WHOLE WORLD IS WATCHING every move, every discussion, every decision, every backroom deal.

I think this kind of REALITY show is what the world needs right now. And if we don't like the show our leaders put on, WE VOTE THEM OFF! That's the democracy lesson THE PEOPLE are learning from the media. So let's take advantage of that now and 'capitalize' on the popularity of survival reality shows. Think how popular THAT show would be!

But we must demand the right to SEE IT AND HEAR IT ALL! Otherwise we are personally disengaged from the REAL POLITIK, and our society can never truly be democratic.

The WORLD'S SURVIVAL is being jeopardized by political decisions that affect PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD. Those people in foreign countries who are victimized by American and Anglo Imperialism have no say or vote, which is really unfair and an imbalance of power, one which the UN is mandated to address.

So let's all spy on the spies, and spy on our leaders who LIE and Deceive us about the reasons they go to war and coverup their lies over and over.

Aren't you sick of it yet?

Demand change. Demand transparency in democracy. Demand accountability.

Let's REALLY LISTEN to what our leaders are saying - 24/7 if need be...

Big Brother is HERE, and he is THE PEOPLE!
 

kingymd

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wow epic post skip - i agree


The governemnts and law enforcers forget that government is there to serve the people and support the lifestyles of those that voted them in. We want peace, safety for us and our kids, health, education, and a safety net for those that struggle to cope with life and the pressures it brings. We want a tolerant society, yet the government does all kinds of intolerant nonsense in our name. I admit that some of this intel-stuff is supposedly done to protect our values, but I don't believe all of it is. And that is what they know that we know.


Personally I don't want to be aggravated for using mj,
I am thankful that I live in UK, which maybe not perfect, is less right wing than USA. At least I can toke in my own house and the police won't bother me under the 'reclassification to class c' new laws.

Why should one man go out of his way to make another man less happy when there is no need to do that?
 
G

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I'll bring the popcorn...

I'll bring the popcorn...

"Let's REALLY LISTEN to what our leaders are saying - 24/7 if need be..."

Two words for ya, skip...C-Span. ;)

Problem is...you need a "Politico to English" dictionary to play along. LOL!

Voters feel disenfranchised with the status quo, as reflected by the dismal turnout in most major US elections. Only about 34% of registered voters even bothered coming to the polls to cast their vote in 2000. Seems like a lot of Americans are only patriotic if it doesn't interfere with Monday night football.

We live in a cynical world. How do you motivate someone to go excercise their freedom?
 
Skip,
You are standing....and keep standing!

but...

This collectivist ascendants owns the media and has learnt what has been teached by the earlier rulers - 90% of people is enough... This way... by controlling the mass media they control the common opinions of people. Average citizen can't believe - because they don't want to believe such a horrible things - that government and deep throats could be able and willing to organize and perform such an operations as WTC for example.

The Power is in hand of men that are still just humans - greedy and treacherous humans.

God bless US.
 
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