Young Woman Busted for Pot Gets Killed Acting as Police Informant

GroBoy2000 said:

wait, felony posession of WEED is 20g is florida?? i cant be reading that right

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HarryNugz said:

assuming she went back to the same dealer, who in their right mind wouldn't think it was some sort of setup! she bought 20 grams of mj but then soon after wants to buy 1500xtc pills, 2z's of coke and a gun. looking at her you'd think this is just totally out of place. this happened in florida, so is anyone really surprised?

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That's correct. It kinda sucks living here, besides all the sun and warm weather.

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Court documents give new insight into the drug deal gone bad.
Many people have had questions about exactly where things went wrong.
We know how this story ends.. but now we have a better idea of when things diverged from the original plan.
The document details the drug deal as it was to go down on May 7th.
At about 6pm, the 23 year old made a "controlled" phone call to Andrea Green... Hoffman and Green agreed to exchange 13 thousand dollars for pills, cocaine, and a gun.
Rachel Hoffman was initially going to meet Andrea Green and Deneilo Bradshaw at Forestmeadows Complex.
But according to court papers, she told authorities she was going to a second location to meet the two men.
Hoffman had an active listening device in her purse that was being monitored by investigators according to documents.
At 6:40 that evening, she received a call on her cell phone from Green and was instructed to meet at another location in the parking lot of the Royalty Plant Nursery.
The probable cause affidavit says that Hoffman followed suspects down a dead end road.
According to an investigator's statement he told her not to follow them.. but Hoffman ended the call.
Moments later investigators say they lost contact with her... calls to her phone went unanswered and the active listening device in her purse stopped working.
When investigators arrived to the area of North Meridian Road and Gardner Road, they found one of her black flip-flops, a spent .25 caliber round, two live .25 caliber rounds and tire skid marks.
Several hours later, Hoffman's phone was found in a ditch on Centerville Road near Pisgah Church Road.
The documents reveal that Green had given his family members some cash the evening of May 7th and that cash was part of the $13,000 in recorded bills given to her by investigators.
To read the probable cause affidavit for yourself just click on the link above this story called "Hoffman Document."

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T-type said:

Why is everyone sticking up for this "poor girl"...
Female or not a rat is a rat...
The rat got exterminated, its the name of the game...
Don't play it if you don't want to...

edit: Not saying I think she should be dead, or would do that myself, but come on you play with fire your gonna get burned

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T-type said:

Why is everyone sticking up for this "poor girl"...
Female or not a rat is a rat...
The rat got exterminated, its the name of the game...
Don't play it if you don't want to...

edit: Not saying I think she should be dead, or would do that myself, but come on you play with fire your gonna get burned

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LiLWaynE said:

The whole situation is fucked up.

all parties (the dealers, the narc, and the police) fucked up.

so now all we get is one big fucked up story.

If the girl would have taken her punishment and kept it at that (without agreeing to rat mother fuckers out), i dont think we would be talking about much here... there are hundreds of thousands if not millions of attorneys who would love to take your money and keep you jail free....

If the dealers realized they were being setup and just backed out of the situation, i dont think we would be talking about much here... it has been mentioned here alot, and in fact makes sense, who the fuck comes out of nowhere wanting such a large order? But no, they fucked up - and out of fear for their own lives, they decided to take her out. Doing such a thing in this day in age probably isn't such a smart thing.

If the Po Po's weren't money hungry and had any respect for human life, they would not have put this lady who had so much going for herself in this situation...they knew she had alot going for herself, and like many also have said, they used scare tactics. Ever hear of PTSD? Well look it up, i bet ATLEAST 1 of these cops is suffering from it these days....

bottom line is this:

dont snitch.

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ureapwhatusow said:

I agree 100%, IF we are talking about people who grew up on the streets and in the know.

however, not everybody grows up knowing the police are crooked fvcks, some people grow up respecting and fearing the police.

in fact (as you stated) if drug dealers werent so money hungry and had respect for human life they would be much more carefull about how they conducted business, and real real careful about who they dealt anything of consequene to, this kind of thing wouldnt happen, but most drug dealers are as immoral as dirty cops

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Irv Hoffman said:

My daughter, Rachel Hoffman, was a 23-year-old graduate of Florida State University who gave her life working under cover for the Tallahassee Police Department. The details of this event are still being investigated. But my meeting next week with state Sen. Mike Fasano about Rachel's Law concerns the process of becoming an undercover informant and preventing another vulnerable person whose judgment may be impaired or is under duress from being treated as expendable, then murdered.

Undercover informants are often addicted, young, frightened, vulnerable people who are looking at the ruin of their life and the threat of prosecution, and often they will do anything. Informants, civilians working under cover, are not being treated as helpers of law enforcement but as tools of law enforcement, tools of law enforcement that may at times be treated as expendable.

These are the qualities of informants:

# Already addicted or having difficulties with substance abuse and self-control, which means that their mental thought process is already impaired.

# Desperate to clear their record and desperate to avoid any jail time or pending charges, so these people are very vulnerable and easy to persuade.

# Often times they may have an immature/idealistic view of authority figures that would put them in a position to think they are safe and protected.

# Never taught any law-enforcement skills, never trained to work at this level of emotional intensity or qualified for this type of work.

# Not trained to respond to or recognize unplanned dangers and contingencies.

Because of these facts, precautions or laws need to be put into place. There certainly need to be consequences and accountability for those individuals charged with substance abuse or possession. However, the actions to reduce the consequences need to correspond to the level of their crime and never should include death.

These are questions to consider:

# Should the client's attorney be notified or, if the client has no legal representation, should the client be offered counsel with a public defender, family member or mental-health professional to give the client options or a second opinion to offer a more objective view of the situation?

# Should a mental-health professional screen the client to assess his or her mental capacity and judgment before participating in this potentially lethal situation? The clients should never be treated as if they are expendable.

# When knowing a gun is involved, never use a civilian. Civilians are not trained in the use of firearms, and they are easy prey to something going wrong.

# How do we obtain information that protects the clients from the felons they will be facing and better ensure their safety?

# If the clients are involved in a drug diversion program, would it not make sense to understand that their judgment is already impaired and they would need advice from an attorney, mental-health professional or family member while being offered the option and making the decision of working under cover?

# Should we not clearly define what the informants would receive for putting their life on the line as informants, regardless of the outcome? For example, in the case of my daughter, Rachel Hoffman, she put her life on the line to clear her record, and upon her death her record was exploited and made public versus being expunged, as promised. Recently, another Florida parent shared with me the story of their child agreeing to go under cover to expunge her record. The police wired her and wanted a confession on tape, and when they did not receive the confession on tape, she was placed right back into jail without any regard for the risk she had taken, making a statement that her risk and cooperation meant nothing. Again, she, as an informant, was treated as expendable.

# Should we not create an advocate program for informants that could make sure that all the steps above are carried out before the informants agree to enter into the process?

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ItsGrowTime said:

The story you posted mentions "Rachel's Law" and he's meeting with a state Senator (legislator) so I can only deduce that he wants statutory changes to address police informants. Those laws are only as good as the police departments and district attorneys that will openly prosecute their own officers. As I noted before, cops know they will be protected by their departments so any law will have no teeth.

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