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Old 04-06-2018, 06:04 AM #931
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Alaska's interior is predominately Black Spruce. As a child in the 1950's it rivaled the Cottonwood. Spruce beetles had been on the edges and along the coast for millennia, keeping the Black Spruce to the interior.
In the 1990's the tipping point was crossed and the Spruce Beetles began surviving winters further north.
In 2003 an area larger than four New England states combined burned in southern Alaska, whole forests of dead trees killed by the beetles.
Still moving north.

Squirrels are waking up before the rabbits and now their take is 40% of the rabbit population yearly. The squirrels eat the babies still in the nest. This affects the Fox population.

This will all balance out in the end, but it will not be what it was.
That is gone.
wait, what? squirrels eat rabbits? do you mean ground squirrels?
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A hundred years is a HICCUP to a patch of trees. The Northern Hemisphere is nothing short of l.e.g.e.n.d.a.r.y. for it's rapidly changing climatic conditions, and the animals there responding in perfectly fluid manner. The Grizzly and Polar and Kodiak and Brown Bears, have all been roaming around up there thousands upon thousands of years.

You have no idea if it's going to be like it was 200 or 400 or whenever years ago. There's no such thing as a tipping point to a planetary atmosphere which has had all the reasons for it's overall temperature being sorted out, and then calculated, then remaining the same since at LEAST the 1860s, when the French

first calculated the values of the (to become the) International Standard Atmosphere.

And lest you claim thim fellurs down thair what discovered bowt the devil wead, and the devilish gaissiness what made a cold nitrogen bath a magical heedur, cain't nevur be rawng,

I'll point out to you that in the 1970s, * * *specifically to counter Hansen's fakery about gas temperatures varying from the values specifically predicted and achieved in tandem by mathematics and physical law* * *

the Americans adopted the AMERICAN Standard Atmosphere, keeping essentially the IDENTICAL International Standard Atmosphere, only EXPANDING it's known values UPWARD a couple of hundred thousand feet.

When all the
astronauts
ship captains
scuba divers
welders
air conditioning engineers
electronic communications engineers
airplane pilots
helicopter pilots
aerospace design engineers
aeronautics design engineers
Atmospheric Chemistry classes

ALL have to have a SPECIAL insert made into their EDUCATION abowt how, uh

"cold nitrogen bath, laced with frigid light blocking refrigerants, is a big oL giantiny magically unable to be understood HEATER"

and that the entire CALIBRATION and THERMAL SENSING and gas measurement fields, have had to RE-WRITE their TEXTBOOKS for a DIFFERENT

I.N.T.E.R.N.A.T.I.O.N.A.L. Atmosphere,

you won't
have been the victim
of CON MEN who told you a

hockey stick generator coded so badly people couldn't tell what it was even SUPPOSED to be
is an entirely new field of math - climate math,

and you won't have been the victim of a man - Hansen - claiming he can calculate the temperatures of the atmospheres of planets, using SOLELY Stefan-Boltzmann processes: something WELL KNOWN to be impossible or there * * *wouldn't be gas law for solving the temperatures of the atmospheres of planets, and other gases, aside from Stefan-Boltzmann processing.* * *

There's been no tipping point except people have figured out Hansen and Mann and Trenberth and Jones, and Wigley, are all a buncha frauds,

from when they had a THOUSAND of their WORK EMAILS released after they REFUSED to HONOR the PUBLIC'S DEMAND to SEE THEIR WORK.

Many of us knew before that.

Hockey stick generators aren't real mathematics
Strip bark trees are useless for telling temperature
Hansen's models calculate the temperature of the atmosphere 33 degrees SHORT - the PRECISE thing that HAPPENS when yoU CLAIM you can CALCULATE the temperatures of COMPRESSIBLE PHASE MATTER
using Stefan-Boltzmann processing ALONE.

He can't even calculate the temperature of our global atmosphere correctly, he knows how he s.i.m.p.l.y. WON'T.

Hansen also lied to you telling you the temperature of Venus is somehow different than projected by the classical gas law written to determine precisely that. He lied, we know the proper law of physics operates right there because the * * *aeronautics guys land the 13 spacecraft we've put on Venus* * * using *standard mathematics for temperature/density relationships of gases.*

We have the RADIO'D BACK TEMPERATURE DATA all the way to the SURFACE.

You're simply the victim of a fraud by government employees, that's all there is to it, and it's not going to do anything but be the same for probably several HUNDRED years.

Peace on ya.

Don't take any more fake math/fake tree data/fake atmospheric temperature calculations/fake computer programming/fake "the laws of physics has dun changed, and we awl got to sind monie to thim guvurmint fellurs, what's dun discovered abowt the devil weed, and now the devilish magical gaissiness!"

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Alaska's interior is predominately Black Spruce. As a child in the 1950's it rivaled the Cottonwood. Spruce beetles had been on the edges and along the coast for millennia, keeping the Black Spruce to the interior.
In the 1990's the tipping point was crossed and the Spruce Beetles began surviving winters further north.
In 2003 an area larger than four New England states combined burned in southern Alaska, whole forests of dead trees killed by the beetles.
Still moving north.

Squirrels are waking up before the rabbits and now their take is 40% of the rabbit population yearly. The squirrels eat the babies still in the nest. This affects the Fox population.

This will all balance out in the end, but it will not be what it was.
That is gone.
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Old 04-06-2018, 10:36 AM #933
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Alaska's interior is predominately Black Spruce. As a child in the 1950's it rivaled the Cottonwood. Spruce beetles had been on the edges and along the coast for millennia, keeping the Black Spruce to the interior.
In the 1990's the tipping point was crossed and the Spruce Beetles began surviving winters further north.
In 2003 an area larger than four New England states combined burned in southern Alaska, whole forests of dead trees killed by the beetles.
Still moving north.

Squirrels are waking up before the rabbits and now their take is 40% of the rabbit population yearly. The squirrels eat the babies still in the nest. This affects the Fox population.

This will all balance out in the end, but it will not be what it was.
That is gone.
Hello Phaeton, yes, that´s what I mean. And I see it also so, that it will all balance out in the end is right. In an book I was reading that hedgehogs can get problems with the hibernation. It´s important that they sleep all of the wintertime and it´s important that it´s cold enough that they don´t awake.. If they awake it cost them a lot of energy and makes them weak. He he, funny to write about biology with my simple english.
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A hundred years is a HICCUP to a patch of trees. The Northern Hemisphere is nothing short of l.e.g.e.n.d.a.r.y. for it's rapidly changing climatic conditions, and the animals there responding in perfectly fluid manner. The Grizzly and Polar and Kodiak and Brown Bears, have all been roaming around up there thousands upon thousands of years.

You have no idea if it's going to be like it was 200 or 400 or whenever years ago. There's no such thing as a tipping point to a planetary atmosphere which has had all the reasons for it's overall temperature being sorted out, and then calculated, then remaining the same since at LEAST the 1860s, when the French

first calculated the values of the (to become the) International Standard Atmosphere.

And lest you claim thim fellurs down thair what discovered bowt the devil wead, and the devilish gaissiness what made a cold nitrogen bath a magical heedur, cain't nevur be rawng,

I'll point out to you that in the 1970s, * * *specifically to counter Hansen's fakery about gas temperatures varying from the values specifically predicted and achieved in tandem by mathematics and physical law* * *

the Americans adopted the AMERICAN Standard Atmosphere, keeping essentially the IDENTICAL International Standard Atmosphere, only EXPANDING it's known values UPWARD a couple of hundred thousand feet.

When all the
astronauts
ship captains
scuba divers
welders
air conditioning engineers
electronic communications engineers
airplane pilots
helicopter pilots
aerospace design engineers
aeronautics design engineers
Atmospheric Chemistry classes

ALL have to have a SPECIAL insert made into their EDUCATION abowt how, uh

"cold nitrogen bath, laced with frigid light blocking refrigerants, is a big oL giantiny magically unable to be understood HEATER"

and that the entire CALIBRATION and THERMAL SENSING and gas measurement fields, have had to RE-WRITE their TEXTBOOKS for a DIFFERENT

I.N.T.E.R.N.A.T.I.O.N.A.L. Atmosphere,

you won't
have been the victim
of CON MEN who told you a

hockey stick generator coded so badly people couldn't tell what it was even SUPPOSED to be
is an entirely new field of math - climate math,

and you won't have been the victim of a man - Hansen - claiming he can calculate the temperatures of the atmospheres of planets, using SOLELY Stefan-Boltzmann processes: something WELL KNOWN to be impossible or there * * *wouldn't be gas law for solving the temperatures of the atmospheres of planets, and other gases, aside from Stefan-Boltzmann processing.* * *

There's been no tipping point except people have figured out Hansen and Mann and Trenberth and Jones, and Wigley, are all a buncha frauds,

from when they had a THOUSAND of their WORK EMAILS released after they REFUSED to HONOR the PUBLIC'S DEMAND to SEE THEIR WORK.

Many of us knew before that.

Hockey stick generators aren't real mathematics
Strip bark trees are useless for telling temperature
Hansen's models calculate the temperature of the atmosphere 33 degrees SHORT - the PRECISE thing that HAPPENS when yoU CLAIM you can CALCULATE the temperatures of COMPRESSIBLE PHASE MATTER
using Stefan-Boltzmann processing ALONE.

He can't even calculate the temperature of our global atmosphere correctly, he knows how he s.i.m.p.l.y. WON'T.

Hansen also lied to you telling you the temperature of Venus is somehow different than projected by the classical gas law written to determine precisely that. He lied, we know the proper law of physics operates right there because the * * *aeronautics guys land the 13 spacecraft we've put on Venus* * * using *standard mathematics for temperature/density relationships of gases.*

We have the RADIO'D BACK TEMPERATURE DATA all the way to the SURFACE.

You're simply the victim of a fraud by government employees, that's all there is to it, and it's not going to do anything but be the same for probably several HUNDRED years.

Peace on ya.

Don't take any more fake math/fake tree data/fake atmospheric temperature calculations/fake computer programming/fake "the laws of physics has dun changed, and we awl got to sind monie to thim guvurmint fellurs, what's dun discovered abowt the devil weed, and now the devilish magical gaissiness!"

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[quote=armedoldhippy;8244425]wait, what? squirrels eat rabbits? do you mean ground squirrels?[/QUOTE

Red squirrels only ground squirrels we have here are Arctic ground squirrels that live way north or at very high elevations away from areas that have rabbits. Red Squirrels eat meat here, any kind. At my place they seem to prefer pork chop bones. Sumbitches
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Red squirrels only ground squirrels we have here are Arctic ground squirrels that live way north or at very high elevations away from areas that have rabbits. Red Squirrels eat meat here, any kind. At my place they seem to prefer pork chop bones. Sumbitches
other squirrels like some red meat from time to time
flying squirrels are cannibals, they will eat other dead flying squirrels
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Item of Interest on the NSIDC discussion of this year's arctic maximum
there was a huge amount of snow in the northern hemisphere this winter
much more than normal, see the charts below
significance? not discussed in the article
but higher humidity in that region of the atmosphere is a possible inference
higher humidity is a very big deal, the weather is changing and the speed is not slowing down

Deep snow in Russia and Europe

Figure 5. These images show Northern Hemisphere water equivalent of snow cover in millimeters (top) and Northern Hemisphere total snow mass in gigatons (bottom) from October 2017 to March 31, 2018.

Credit: GlobSnow Project and the Finnish Meteorological Institute
High-resolution image

Snow cover extent on the land masses surrounding the Arctic Ocean was average this past winter. However, an analysis of the snow cover thickness and density showed that the total snow mass this past winter was high. Estimates of total snow mass as of March 31 showed that the Northern Hemisphere had nearly 700 billion tons more snow this winter than the 1982 to 2012 average. Many areas of Russia and northern Europe had more than 150 millimeters (6 inches) of water-equivalent on the ground, present as deep snow cover. Snow extent had been above average the entire autumn-winter season but grew to exceptional levels beginning in February. Although the total snow mass has begun to decrease, it is still far above average. The analysis is based on many sources of snow and snow depth data, including passive microwave data produced by NSIDC (EASE-Grid Snow Water Equivalent and Daily Snow Cover), and data derived from several other groups from the European Space Agency and the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration.
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I was here for Alaska's record snowfall of 1993. This year already has the deepest snow since that year and still some left to fall.

Summers are wetter as well. From 5 days over 90 F and 18 over 80 F we are down to none over 90 F and 5 over 80 F.
But...
Winters have more snow and snow means cloud cover. Cloud cover means greenhouse effect. Winters have warmed up close to 30 degrees since the 1960's.
This more than offsets the mildly cooler summers.

On a personal note, growing marijuana outdoors went from a guaranteed harvest to a 1 in 10 chance of a good crop. My area is right on the balance point, from 1977 through 1992 almost all the outdoor crops were fine. From 1993 through 2017 it dwindled to zero. The final decent crop was 2008 and that followed a dry spell.
Last year I put up a tunnel greenhouse but keeping the plants dry did not add sunlight.

Climate change is different on the edge of survivable conditions, small changes are big changes.
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A Startling New Discovery Could Destroy All Those Global Warming Doomsday Forecasts

Climate Change: Scientists just discovered a massive, heretofore unknown, source of nitrogen. Why does this matter? Because it could dramatically change those dire global warming forecasts that everybody claims are based on "settled science."

The researchers, whose findings were published in the prestigious journal Science, say they've determined that the idea that the only source of nitrogen for plant life came from the air is wrong. There are vast storehouses in the planet's bedrock that plants also feed on.

This is potentially huge news, since what it means is that there is a vastly larger supply of nitrogen than previously believed.
University of California at Davis environmental scientist and co-author of the study, Ben Houlton, says that "This runs counter the centuries-long paradigm that has laid the foundation for the environmental sciences."

Pay close attention to the word "paradigm."

If Houlton's finding about these vast, previously unknown nitrogen stores holds true, then it would have an enormous impact on global warming predictions.

Climate scientists have long known that plants offset some of the effects of climate change by absorbing and storing CO2. But climate scientists assumed that the ability for plants to perform this function was limited because the availability of nitrogen in the atmosphere was limited.

As a 2003 study published in the same Science journal put it, "there will not be enough nitrogen available to sustain the high carbon uptake scenarios."

In the wake of the latest findings, Ronald Amundson, a soil biogeochemist at the University of California at Berkeley, told Chemical and Engineering News that "If there is more nitrogen there than expected, then the constraints on plant growth in a high-CO2 world may not be as great as we think."

In other words, with more nitrogen available, plant life might be able to absorb more CO2 than climate scientists have been estimating, which means the planet won't warm as much, despite mankind's pumping CO2 into the atmosphere.

A Stunning Finding

Houlton has been exploring this possibility for years. Back in 2011, he reported that forest trees can tap into nitrogen found in rock.
At the time, he said "the stunning finding that forests can also feed on nitrogen in rocks has the potential to change all projections related to climate change," because it meant there could be more carbon storage on land and less in the atmosphere than climate models say.

The question is whether any climate scientists or environmentalists — who are entirely wedded to the idea that industrialization is destroying the planet — would ever admit this.

That's why that word "paradigm" is important.

As we've noted in this space, the idea of "settled science" peddled by environmentalists and politicians defies the history of science, which has seen repeated upheavals of previous forms of "settled science."

Thomas Kuhn studied this phenomenon in his 1962 book "The Structure Of Scientific Revolutions." He explained how scientists develop a theory — or paradigm — based on available evidence — to explain what they're seeing.

Once that paradigm takes hold, scientists are often loath to give up on it even if evidence piles up that it might be wrong.

Eventually, however, faulty paradigms do give way, ushering in a new scientific paradigm. Examples of such paradigm shifts in the past: heliocentric solar system, continental drift, Einstein's theories.

A Coming Paradigm Shift?

That same thing might be happening right now with climate science.

As we've said many times, evidence continues to show weaknesses in climate models used to predict future warming. They failed to predict a (2)decades long pause in global temperatures. Nor have various calamities that were supposed to have occurred by now materialized. And a recent paper published in Nature concluded that the planet is less sensitive to increases in CO2 than the computer models say.

Meanwhile, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration has been conducting highly suspicious temperature data manipulation. The changes in the temperature data consistently make the past seem cooler, which in turn makes the present seem warmer.

This creates a data illusion of ever-rising temperatures to match the increase in CO2 in the Earth's atmosphere.

Marc Morano, editor of the popular ClimateDepot blog and author of "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Climate Change," notes that "science is not supposed to have a politically predetermined outcome pushed by ideology and politics. This new nitrogen study is but one example of consensus science being overturned. The global warming science establishment should now be open to similar studies and dissenting voices on CO2 to overturn the alleged climate change consensus."

But will they?

With their reputations and huge amounts government grant money at stake, it's unlikely that many climate scientists would ever admit to being wrong. No matter how obvious it became that they were.


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