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Stonyherbs

Has anyone tried fogponics or looked into it? I ran into this on the net and was curious.
Looks like they use ultrasonics to create a fog of water and your nutes to bathe the root zone.

I am sure this isnt new. Maybe time needed to catch up with technology. I dont know.

So if anyone has input... i would appreciate it

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windycitysmoker

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I have two ultra sonic foggers.i bought one they sent me two.i tried it in a single 5 gallon bucket and it all most killed my cuts I had rooted. It shoots a cool mist but rose the temps up in the bucket.u need to make a reservoir with a fan that blows the fog into the grow chamber than u would need a drain cause it builds up water. To much work and to much space when my DWC works great
 
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Stonyherbs

Thanks Windycity thats good to know. I didnt think about it raising the water temps. It also really sounds like a hastle when compared to DWC. Humm...
 
windycitysmoker

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Yup. I seen a system that was in a hydro store that used fog I'm going there in two weeks I will get the company's name and make that makes it. They had a big tobacco plant in it. I starting talking to the guy about it. He said he's been using it for years and had to keep cutting the plant back. I asked him where the fog was coming from he said around back... The fog was coming out of a tiny hose.i have a million questions for him when I go back lol pick his brain a little
 
jammie

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A guy on this site- I think his handle is pet flora experimemented with forgers. The problem if I remember was a lot of nutrient deficiencies. Apparently certain chemicals/notes don't hold in fog. Should be able to do site search
 
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Stonyherbs


Windy city - I have to admit i am still intrigued.. I wonder if there is a payoff in the end. Faster crop cycle times? Bigger yields? Better expression of crop genetics? And if so...does it justify the equipment upgrades(if u have a current system) or the added risk.(power failure, ultrasonics going out)

Or!

Is this just another way to grow, burdened with finiky equipment and added risk.(the equipment might b reliable). I dont know.

Still on the fence.....:joint:

 
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Stonyherbs

jammie said:
A guy on this site- I think his handle is pet flora experimemented with forgers. The problem if I remember was a lot of nutrient deficiencies. Apparently certain chemicals/notes don't hold in fog. Should be able to do site search
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Thanks jammie- More info to consider/research.
 
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Stonyherbs

mojave green said:
the salts will eat through discs rapidly as well.
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Thanks mojave-
The unit i looked at had ceramic discs coated in Teflon. Also the warranty was only 90 days.
So...it sounds like they are trying to deal with those very issues....
 
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Stonyherbs

I wonder if a small system would be good for clones. You would not have to worry about the nutes eating the ultrasonic disks and you could benefit from a shorter cloning time.(if its faster method).

I suppose i should get a small setup and see how fast the clones root. I suppose if it roots fast enough compared to current methods it might b worth it.

Does anyone have any experience cloning with this method?
 
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Stonyherbs

Ok after reading tons of info and watching utube, i let the tech geek in me order a 3 disk mist maker from thehouseofhydro.com.
I opted for the corrosion resistance upgrade. This doubles the warranty from 90days to 180.

The discs are ceramic and teflon coated so hopefully that helps keep them clean. You also get a pack of replacement discs (free).

When this arrives i will post more about it.:tiphat:
 
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I'm setting up a fogponics system using two 4'x8' hydro tables, one flipped upside down on top of the other. This creates a 10" deep chamber on the inside for root growth. In a separate tote I will be using a six head mister from the same website above The House of Hydro. I will pipe this into the hydro tables using one 5 inch waterproof computing fan that blows 130cfm, inside a 6in pipe. I haven't decided on the rate to run the fogger yet but I've been reading 1min:4min on:eek:ff. I'll be using 2in net pots inserted into pre cut holes in the top table, filled with an undecided upon grow medium. From my understanding the ultrasonic vibrations are much too high for microorganism life; however, using microorganisms can be beneficial if a separate mixing tote is used for the mixing of nutrients and organics. (This is my method)

Oh and I found a wholesale sight for the same ultrasonic misters sold on The House of Hydro. This is a bulk website around 4 units to purchase.


Wholesale Mist Makers
 
ChaosCatalunya

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As jammie said, look at PetFlora posts, TAG. Vs FAG (T = true, F = false Aeroponic Growing)

Basically, using any normal pump, sprayers, you just get big droplets, Aero just works like a 3d NFT and many growers report better than NFT yields

When you use a True Aeroponic Growing system, the droplets are much finer

In practice, iirc he found that this works even better, but the nutrient solution needed different ratios, possibly more and that the whole process was complex, very involved, but has potential advantages

It also needs a very high pressure pump and specialist sprayers to work, PF and many others found that all the different ultrasonic foggers on the market are effectively shit,they heat up and soon die, iirc calcium build up. The pump/sprayer kit needed was between $500 and 2k

Any company trying to sell these misters and claiming to have mastered "fogponics" would be scrutinised to the Nth degree by me, sorry to say bit it is 99.5% certainly Bullshit. If you want to try a real Aeroponics system that actually works, then buy one from these people...http://www.nutriculture.co.uk/products/hydroponic-systems/amazon-18/amazon.html

Going since 1976, my first ever NFT system was theirs, half the UK growers run their kit, not fly back night newcomers who make wild claims that smell iffy
 
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he_says

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Chaos, the fogponics I've seen explored, and I am interested in,is a unit that creates fog for the whole chamber and is not ran through a high pressure line. Any views on this style? I've seen some who run a cooling system to keep to nutrient reservoir that holds the mister cool.
 
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Tutu

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ChaosCatalunya said:
As jammie said, look at PetFlora posts, TAG. Vs FAG (T = true, F = false Aeroponic Growing)

Basically, using any normal pump, sprayers, you just get big droplets, Aero just works like a 3d NFT and many growers report better than NFT yields

When you use a True Aeroponic Growing system, the droplets are much finer

In practice, iirc he found that this works even better, but the nutrient solution needed different ratios, possibly more and that the whole process was complex, very involved, but has potential advantages

It also needs a very high pressure pump and specialist sprayers to work, PF and many others found that all the different ultrasonic foggers on the market are effectively shit,they heat up and soon die, iirc calcium build up. The pump/sprayer kit needed was between $500 and 2k

Any company trying to sell these misters and claiming to have mastered "fogponics" would be scrutinised to the Nth degree by me, sorry to say bit it is 99.5% certainly Bullshit. If you want to try a real Aeroponics system that actually works, then buy one from these people...http://www.nutriculture.co.uk/products/hydroponic-systems/amazon-18/amazon.html

Going since 1976, my first ever NFT system was theirs, half the UK growers run their kit, not fly back night newcomers who make wild claims that smell iffy
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Amazon's aren't real aeroponics they are more like sprinklerponics, true aero needs nozzles to atomise the nutrient solution which block constantly and also need a high powered compressor which is expensive to run offsetting a lot of the advantages.

It's a lot of hassle to make a true aero system spraying the root system is not aero and the term has been grossly misused to sell products.

Amazon's compare to dwc in growth rates true aero is considerably faster but the risk of failures is also considerably higher.

Just using a pot and fytocell will give dwc style growth rates.

Foggers are best used in cloners or a dwc/fogger hybrid for various reasons it's debatable how useful they really are.
 
ChaosCatalunya

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he_says said:
Chaos, the fogponics I've seen explored, and I am interested in,is a unit that creates fog for the whole chamber and is not ran through a high pressure line. Any views on this style? I've seen some who run a cooling system to keep to nutrient reservoir that holds the mister cool.
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As I tried to say, from everything I learned in PetFlora's thread pointed to foggers not working for crop cycle durations, AFAIK you need the high pressure system to actually run TrueAeroponicGrowing

The cooling system sounds like a good modification that gets around the heat issue hopefully, but from everything I remembered, possibility incorrectly, that foggers are not the solution, despite appearing to be perfect.

Tutu said:
Amazon's aren't real aeroponics they are more like sprinklerponics, true aero needs nozzles to atomise the nutrient solution which block constantly and also need a high powered compressor which is expensive to run offsetting a lot of the advantages.

It's a lot of hassle to make a true aero system spraying the root system is not aero and the term has been grossly misused to sell products.

Amazon's compare to dwc in growth rates true aero is considerably faster but the risk of failures is also considerably higher.

Just using a pot and fytocell will give dwc style growth rates.

Foggers are best used in cloners or a dwc/fogger hybrid for various reasons it's debatable how useful they really are.
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Tutu, this is what I said, low pressure systems are FAG, the Amazon system costs less than the high pressure hose probably costs.

But, from observation and speaking to a few people I really trust, I think NFT systems of mine and theirs out yielded our DWC setups, but the gardens with Aero "sprinklerponic" setups, when running right, were better still. By Aero, I am speaking of FAG, low pressure False Aeroponic... Sprinklers

After reading up about TAG and PetFlora's adventures I am convinced that it is a worthwhile direction to investigate, once you have a garden really dialled in and can then concentrate on reducing all the last possible limitations to plant growth
 
HerBnGorE(illa)

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The other day while at the local grocery store, the "fresh meat" display case began being filled with fog from a hole in each side of the case. My thought was immediately about growing of course lol

Sorry if that isn't helpful, but maybe those cooled foggers would be useful to this thread?
 
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Tutu

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ChaosCatalunya said:
But, from observation and speaking to a few people I really trust, I think NFT systems of mine and theirs out yielded our DWC setups, but the gardens with Aero "sprinklerponic" setups, when running right, were better still. By Aero, I am speaking of FAG, low pressure False Aeroponic... Sprinklers
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I ran an amazon for years and can honestly say it yielded the same for me as DWC but I used to mod aquafarm's with 1 plant each and floom at a high flow rate Heath Robinson style. I obviously had to veg the aquafarms for longer. I have a 36 site amazon but normally I ran it with 16 plants and left pucks in the empty hole. I found 36 site was far too tight.

The best results I have had so far have been vertically with multiple lamps yields have been very similar (Been making walls and using reflectors rather than donuts) but my veg time has been 3 days or less with 12-15 plants and 2 hps's. So I can turn crops every 9 weeks if I wanted to with Blue cheese pheno I grow.

If I donut 2g/w would be perfectly possible but I would have to do 24 or 36 plants depending how many HPS I wanted to use and get a bigger tent.

I also love dripper fed hydroton recirc which has excellent growth rates I might try that vertically next time but have to sort out the drainage properly for that. I used to run the drippers 15 mins on/15 mins off and use high flow drippers.
 
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