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Old 02-19-2018, 09:32 PM #1
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Does a Male or Female Pass On More genetics to Their Offspring?

My question is quite simple.

If you want more of ones genetics in a cross do you use male or female?

I would love to hear and see your experience with males and females that have dominated in a cross.

How they dominated and what genetics were passed on, bud structure, leaf shape, smell, effect and potency.

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I'm curious about this too.

RELATED: I'm also curious how/why crossing the same strains (S1F + S2M vs. S1M + S2F) can be different. One example I can think of is Ace Seeds Malawi + Panama vs. Panama + Malawi. I don't understand the significance.
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Old 02-19-2018, 10:59 PM #3
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According to people I admire like JLP, the female passes on more traits in crosses.
Since you never know until you rest the offspring, I’ve always kept an open mind and not committed to hard and fast rules
The significance of the naming system is the following
Female X male
Since males and females contribute different qualities, it makes sense to go in both directions when crossing and creating new hybrids
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The first cross is 50/50, and many agree males and females
pass their traits equally.

The next mating of the F1's to make F2 shuffles the genetics
and you get the variety that you select for your goal.

Much female smoked and tested leaves one to factor the lean
to female traits, as male traits are much less tested, until
prodigy.

Takes a few grows to filter out the unwanted traits.

Some breeders reverse males to accurately experience the
potential.

Good thread.
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It makes absolutely no difference which parent in a cross is male and which is female. The genetic potential of the offspring is the same either way. The only practical difference is the resultant seed size may vary depending on which parent is the female, and this is due to the size of the calyx on the female.

The phenotypes seen in the offspring from any cross or pollination are the result of the dominant alleles inherited from each parent.

Hope this helps.
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This question keeps being asked because of a DJ Short statement about different traits being passed depending on male and female. Always sounded like total BS to me.
If a desired trait is recessive it will keep recessive wether you use a male or a female, same goes for the dominant traits. If a pure Landrace is crossed to a polyhybrid it will most likely dominate in the f2 be it male or female.
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Yeah, agreed....its pretty much a crap-shoot, all dependent on what alleles inherited are dominant or recessive from either male or female.
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It makes absolutely no difference which parent in a cross is male and which is female. The genetic potential of the offspring is the same either way. The only practical difference is the resultant seed size may vary depending on which parent is the female, and this is due to the size of the calyx on the female.

The phenotypes seen in the offspring from any cross or pollination are the result of the dominant alleles inherited from each parent.

Hope this helps.
This sounds right. To answer the OP question, it will vary by strain. For some parental stock or lines, a female might be dominant, and other strains it could be male. In reality, most of today's strains are a mash up of poly-hybrids, that can only be analyzed for traits by growing out the offspring and sorting through massive variation looking for clues.

It seems that some strains also just have more dominant alleles than others. Karma has an older strain called Dominator, that he said was named because, no matter what it was crossed with, it's genetics would dominate the offspring.
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Neither passes on more.

50% of the genes come from the female and 50% from the male.
Traits may be derived from both the genes and the environment. (I.e. Similar genotypes may exhibit different phenotypes, given the particular conditions.)
As mentioned by other posters, the dominant traits alleles, will tend to,be passed by the gender which has them.

Most of us kill off the males early (or just after pollen is collected if you breed), and so we don't watch the males characteristics. So the characteristics are observed in females, what we want are nice buds....(however you describe nice, potent, frosty,,terpene profile, dense, high-yielding, etc. )
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I'm curious about this too.

RELATED: I'm also curious how/why crossing the same strains (S1F + S2M vs. S1M + S2F) can be different. One example I can think of is Ace Seeds Malawi + Panama vs. Panama + Malawi. I don't understand the significance.
Malawi x Panama is a a straight hybrid between the Old Malawi Killer, and the more refined Panama parental plants from latest generations, creating a 100% sativa F1 hybrid that combines excellent sativa genetics from Central Africa and America. In this F1, Malawi dominates with its structure and character, producing vigorous and high yielding sativas, which bring to the limit the best floral qualities of the killer Malawis: ultra resinous plants with huge trichomes, of very dense, resinous flowers of overpowering effect, where Panama contributes to the hybrid with its elaborated and complex lemony and incensey terpene profile. The effect is complex, trippy, crazy and introverted. Very deep and long lasting, both mentally and physically. Only for the harder and more experienced sativa travelers. Malawi x Panama produces consistently THC concentrations between 21 and 26%, and one of the most potent sativa alchemies.

Panama x Malawi is a straight hybrid among the best, most refined, stable and highly worked parental plants from these 2 incredible sativa strains. It is a direct cross between the Panama Goddess (10th generation), which we consider without any doubt as the best and most complete Panama parental plant we have, combined with the New Malawi Killer, which also adds the best highly worked qualities of our Malawi, creating a 100 % sativa F1 hybrid that combines excellent sativa genetics from Central Africa and America. In this F1, the Panama Goddess mother clearly dominates with its desirable structure and character, with its vigor, adaptability, versatility, great yield, and with its unbeatable central american sativa personality, where the New Malawi Killer adds even higher resin production, potency and complexity to the effect.


From Ace's website above. MxP uses Old Killer Malawi and a recent selfed Panama (but not Goddess?). PxM uses Panama Goddess and New Killer Malawi. So not apples to apples but I thought relevant perhaps.
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