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Old 06-11-2018, 11:52 PM #331
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Yup. If you go higher you will form polymers which, if you don’t filter them, will plug up micro sprinklers
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Old 06-12-2018, 05:33 AM #332
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"Weekly drenches in soilless or other low silicon soil/media systems. 45-50 ppm Si (~100ppm SiO2)" from the above link



apparently I rattled off the SiO2 ppm originally... the actual Si ppm is closer to 50ppm
Yeah I did the same in my spreadsheet. And it probably should have been closer to 110~ (K2O)

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Edit again 107. Fuck. Jeezus.

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Yeah I did the same in my spreadsheet. And it probably should have been closer to 110~ (K2O)

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Edit again 107. Fuck. Jeezus.
Thank You Avenger!

I run Si @ 35-25 in flower.

2 out of 4 ferts isn't a bad guess...

I like the STEM micro's from peters...used that when I was first getting into production. Works well. I still those numbers for simple base recipes.

Plants all finally in ground! half in 400's and others in 2 yard mounds. I wanted to see the difference this year.

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Old 06-12-2018, 05:16 PM #334
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52.8 times ten equals 528 ppm from one gram Agsil 16h in one liter final volume solution

divide 528 by 3.785 and you get 139.5 ppm in one gallon final volume solution from one gram Agsil 16h

SiO2 is 46.75% w/w silicon(Si), so ...

139.5 times 0.4675= 65.22 ppm silicon (Si) from one gram Agsil 16h in one gallon final volume solution.

65.22 x 0.7 = 45.7 ppm Silicon from 0.7 grams in one gallon final volume
65.22 x 1.25= 81.5 ppm Silicon from 1.25 grams in one gallon final volume

the solubility limit is ~120 ppm SiO2[~56 ppm Si]

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Many thanks for showing the math!!



Now I see why some folks preferred to learn it long hand instead of on a spread sheet... it tends to stick in your memory banks longer (WWS)
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I find myself going simpler all the time. What you find out is get the macros right and all of a sudden you don’t need every single enzyme in the known universe. You know, the stuff marketing types love to hype

Anyway, we are under $10/lb on fert cost at one salt grow

I still do all my salt calls by hand. It helps me think what to use vs chasing numbers
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I still do all my salt calls by hand. It helps me think what to use vs chasing numbers

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52.8 times ten equals 528 ppm from one gram Agsil 16h in one liter final volume solution

divide 528 by 3.785 and you get 139.5 ppm in one gallon final volume solution from one gram Agsil 16h

SiO2 is 46.75% w/w silicon(Si), so ...

139.5 times 0.4675= 65.22 ppm silicon (Si) from one gram Agsil 16h in one gallon final volume solution.

65.22 x 0.7 = 45.7 ppm Silicon from 0.7 grams in one gallon final volume
65.22 x 1.25= 81.5 ppm Silicon from 1.25 grams in one gallon final volume

the solubility limit is ~120 ppm SiO2[~56 ppm Si]

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2-3-1 Fish Hydrolysate, CaCo3, B, Agsil16.


Pure goodness. Agsil emulsifies the oils in the hydrolysate carrying the Ca and B like a champ.


Anyone up for a trial?

Thanks GC could you say something about the ratio of lime,borax and agsil to fish mix? I use a lot of the Fertrell Hydrolysate I put the whole 32 oz bottle into a 6 gallon bucket of water and feed that mix in the stretch and early flower I thin it by half for veg and later flower. I use the armor si in the second watering of the stretch. Combining the two in one drench I like. More calcium? Yes please
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Thanks GC could you say something about the ratio of lime,borax and agsil to fish mix? I use a lot of the Fertrell Hydrolysate I put the whole 32 oz bottle into a 6 gallon bucket of water and feed that mix in the stretch and early flower I thin it by half for veg and later flower. I use the armor si in the second watering of the stretch. Combining the two in one drench I like. More calcium? Yes please
Can you go into more detail about pot size, plant size, how much you water in? Any photos? That is in the neighborhood of 850 ppm N...literally 10 times the normal amount of fish I use... I did a test on one plant at your rate...all is well. You can use fish and build a fully balanced 1-1-1 around it with other amendments including Ca and micros... pretty simple to put together depending on the needs.



Since you asked...

3/4 gallon H20
11.5 grams 2-3-1 fish
2.4 grams 32% lime
.012 grams borax (make a concentrate @1.5 grams/gallon,use 2 TBL concentrate per 1 gallon foliar mix)
.4 grams agsil
Fill to 1 gallon.


How I make it...
1.Take a 1 quart ball jar, add lime and 3/4qt h20. Add 5 grams citric acid, it will bubble. Stir for a few minutes. Add a couple grains of citric acid and see if it reacts. If so, add more slowly until reaction stops. This is how I chelate the Ca.
2. Fill a gallon jug with h20,fish,Ca solution. Shake shake shake.
3. Add the 2 TBL B concentrate. shake
4. Add agsil to 1/4 cup h20, stir, then add to final mix. Shake
5. Fill to 1 gallon
6. Apply
I use between .25 - 1 oz / sqft of canopy depending on frequency of application.
ppm is roughly 65-42-50 NPK B@.35 Ca@200 Si@26

Only additional foliar I can recommend is Mn. .4 grams/gallon = 35 ppm. I use that during heavy growth also.

Any criticism is welcome.

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