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Old 05-01-2016, 06:21 PM #221
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thanks for showing the pedigree EC. Are these GSCBDs throwing mainly 1:1s?
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@therevolution she's a decent grower with no real issues I'm aware of.. grows strait indica. Highest cbd ratios seem to be when she is pulled early...
Thanks paladin! I appreciate it! Is this a Michigan cut? I received it from Mi, and when searching it the only places it seems to pop up is in MI test labs. Do you have any experience with extracting this variety? Im really anxious to grow her out and toy with some diff extracts. Also thought about making a cpl experimental hybrids for observation. Do you know anyone who is making concentrates and/or breeding with the Cannatonic #4?
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cbd has its own effect, its more like you feel it in the frontal lobe then the back of your head.

We made a cannatonic#4 x cherry backcross of sorts that hasnt been tested yet but by the way the plants look should be winners. Most smell like cannatonic but there is a really strong citrus smelling plant in the mix. We have a few other high cbd cannatonic cuts that I hope to work more into the line as well.
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Old 05-08-2016, 05:16 PM #224
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i guess i would describe its a sort of fermented fruit flavor or smell, but to me its like berry's or something with a strong afghan funk with it.
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Good question Pablo. As far as I know most hemp varieties have very low quantities of cannabinoids compared to drug varieties. Being that they are bred for fiber and seed, they aren't as useful for cannabinoid rich flowers and resin.

Strains bred for hashish have cbd within their populations and these plants will have higher quantities of cannabinoids compared to hemp.

A question I would hope SamS might know the answer to...

Where do these cbd phenos in hash strains originate from?

Hash growers selected for high resin, they do not smoke individual plants so they do not know if the resin is from a plant with THC or CBD or a THC/CBD mix. Ganja growers smoke individual plants and save the seeds of the best for next year. After hundreds of years hash varieties have considerable CBD. And Ganja varieties almost only THC.

Did the wild ancestor of narrow-leaf drug strains have cbd originally?

Yes they did before Ganja growers selected for only THC.
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Or is that unique to the wild hemp ancestor?

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its basic genetics that an open pollinated field will still continue to have a quarter of the plants be cbd rich
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its basic genetics that an open pollinated field will still continue to have a quarter of the plants be cbd rich
With selections for resin content by saving the seeds of the plants with the most resin you are correct there will be CBD in the population, in the case of Ganja even open pollinated fields also have selection of the females after flowering, and that selection is aimed at no CBD, they just save the seeds. Also the best ganja is not seeded so farmers need infrastructure like a local farmer that makes the seeds for everyone in the area, and has the experience to make great seeds, keep a local landrace maintained high quality and help improve it a bit.
Open pollinated Ganja crops are not "a quarter of the plants high CBD"
The CBD was eliminated by selective breeding long ago.
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Did the wild ancestor of narrow-leaf drug strains have cbd originally?

Yes they did before Ganja growers selected for only THC.
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Thanks Sam, I ponder about such things as what it was like when the first humans crossed the land bridge into north america. What was the unmodified state nature was like before human intervention?

I also wonder what it was like for the first human to see a cannabis plant growing its a natural wild state. Or be the first human to get high off cannabis

If there was CBD in the narrow leaf drug ancestors... do you think it was in equal parts of THC too? I'm curious what cannabinoid ratios cannabis had in it pre-domestication days?

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I'm curious what cannabinoid ratios cannabis had in it pre-domestication days?
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Probably it used to be higher in CBD.
Phytochemical and genetic analyses of ancient cannabis from Central Asia
Then humans started using cannabis for its' medicinal properties and found out the oily phenotypes worked best and started selecting them, the plants richest in terpeno´ds (including cannabino´ds).
For whatever reason these are relatively richer in THC than CBD.

For thousands of years they have worked to make cannabis more medicinal, but lately there is a huge effort going on to undo this, which unfortunately is very succesfull.
Strains high in CBD have the least medicinal effect if any at all (for most people), they are only good for the pharmaceutical maffia.
In the Netherlands this is already known and patient organisations are now warning and advising their members against CBD strains.


Strains high in terpeno´ds on the other hand have the highest medicinal effect.
The more terpeno´ds the higher it's rated by medical users, exactly 1 point for every 5mg/g.
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Probably it used to be higher in CBD.
Phytochemical and genetic analyses of ancient cannabis from Central Asia
Then humans started using cannabis for its' medicinal properties and found out the oily phenotypes worked best and started selecting them, the plants richest in terpeno´ds (including cannabino´ds).
For whatever reason these are relatively richer in THC than CBD.

For thousands of years they have worked to make cannabis more medicinal, but lately there is a huge effort going on to undo this, which unfortunately is very succesfull.
Strains high in CBD have the least medicinal effect if any at all (for most people), they are only good for the pharmaceutical maffia.
In the Netherlands this is already known and patient organisations are now warning and advising their members against CBD strains.


Strains high in terpeno´ds on the other hand have the highest medicinal effect.
The more terpeno´ds the higher it's rated by medical users, exactly 1 point for every 5mg/g.
Can you elaborate why plants with higher terpenoids are more valuable as medicine compared to plants with cbd? I can see how we have selected plants with higher terpene numbers, as they are more fragrant, they create more stimulus on sight and smell, theyre more appealing. CBD has been proven to attack and elimnate cancer cells, so how can u make the statement that plants with cbd are not medicinal?

FOr the record I believe the more complex the mix of cannabinoids and terpenes the more valuable the medicine. So a variety that was 50/50 thc/cbd isnt as valuable as an oild made from thc/cbd/cbg/cbc/ and multiple terpenes.
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