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Found some cop guidelines on how they use thermal imaging cameras

Lazyman

Overkill is under-rated.
Veteran
Taken from police chief magazine, at http://policechiefmagazine.org/magazine/index.cfm?fuseaction=display&article_id=1527&issue_id=62008

Marijuana Investigations: Indoor marijuana growing operations can also be uncovered by thermal imagers, but the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Kyllo v. United States that law enforcement officers must obtain a search warrant before examining a private dwelling with thermal imaging technology.3 An application for a search warrant for indoor marijuana cultivation can be supported by any of the following:

  • Information that the person residing at the suspected location has a past history of marijuana cultivation
  • Information that the suspects have purchased indoor lighting devices or other equipment or supplies necessary for indoor plant growth
  • Records of utility use that indicate unusually high consumption of power or water when compared to similar structures in the immediate area
  • Possession of electricity-generating equipment without an identifiable need or purpose
  • Information from local retail gas suppliers or welding supply outlets that suspects have purchased containers of carbon dioxide or other gases that have the effect of increasing plant growth, without another apparent reason for the need
  • Detection of the odor of marijuana or marijuana clippings in the immediate vicinity of the suspected dwelling
After obtaining a search warrant, officers can use thermal imaging technology to monitor the length of time that grow lights are in operation and then infer the age of the marijuana plants. In most jurisdictions, it is important to conduct the raid only after the plants reach maturity.
The trend over the last decade for outdoor marijuana growers has been to use smaller and well-concealed sites. Using a thermal imager from an aerial platform during daylight, officers can locate marijuana plants. It is common for these plants to be grown among weeds, tall grass, and tree saplings in an overgrown field. Imagers can pick out the marijuana plants because the ground around them is turned during planting and the vegetation around the immediate base of the plants is generally trimmed away to allow water and nutrients to penetrate the soil. The cleared ground cover and the turned soil cause the sun’s heat to be absorbed at a higher rate than the rest of the surrounding ground. This change in heat absorption causes the areas around the plants to emit much higher heat, which thermal imagers are designed to detect.

To save you some time, here are the search results for the word Marijuana at that site too, in case you want to read more about the enemy! http://policechiefmagazine.org/magazine/index.cfm?fuseaction=search_rs&keyword=marijuana&x=0&y=0
 

Strainbrain

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs
Veteran
Imagers can pick out the marijuana plants because the ground around them is turned during planting and the vegetation around the immediate base of the plants is generally trimmed away to allow water and nutrients to penetrate the soil. The cleared ground cover and the turned soil cause the sun’s heat to be absorbed at a higher rate than the rest of the surrounding ground. This change in heat absorption causes the areas around the plants to emit much higher heat, which thermal imagers are designed to detect.

That's nice to know... at least in my neck of the woods. Mulch well, dig narrow and deep I guess.

-s
 

Pythagllio

Patient Grower
Veteran
Imagers can pick out the marijuana plants because the ground around them is turned during planting and the vegetation around the immediate base of the plants is generally trimmed away to allow water and nutrients to penetrate the soil. The cleared ground cover and the turned soil cause the sun’s heat to be absorbed at a higher rate than the rest of the surrounding ground. This change in heat absorption causes the areas around the plants to emit much higher heat, which thermal imagers are designed to detect.

...and so many people think that the plants themselves have some sort of 'specific heat signature' that allows for their detection with this method.
 
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LolaGal

Sounds like they are trying to teach them to "detect an odor of marijuana"....

Then they come on with the warrants... This ain't what the founding fathers had in mind.
 

Verite

My little pony.. my little pony
Veteran
What the report fails to mention is that even the cheapest of the thermal imagers they use are $10,000. This is also the reason you dont see any of this thermal imaging evidence in court. Cause no one is using it.
 
Here is some other info

Here is some other info

http://www.lawofficer.com/news-and-...l;jsessionid=F23205E169AD4E614CD81C9615C3053E

This is an article about helicopters and their use. The WIFE of the head narc is a DA in San Diego and loves to get growers..the filthy couple should burn. But it also says that a WARRANT is needed BEFORE any thermal imaging can take place:

" Tactical Helicopter Missions addresses these issues and their impact on search warrants and searches. In fact, Kevin Means' wife, Cyndi Jo Means, is a Deputy District Attorney in San Diego County and is an expert in legal issues in airborne law enforcement. In particular, narcotics investigators should, in most cases, obtain a search warrant before conducting an airborne thermal imaging search for indoor drug farms. The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled ( Kyllo vs. United States , 2001) that these searches require a search warrant.

The cops are NOT supposed to be flying around with the thermal imaging left on...but of course the lying filth pretends that they ' accidentally' left it on and just happened to see a heat signature. Bastards.

Here is the wifey's take on it..the wife of the narc that is. This sorry bitch from hell is a prosecutor and hates the freedoms we have as a result of the KYLLO decision:

"In 2001, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled on a thermal imaging case, Kyllo v. U.S. 6, that still affects the way law enforcement agencies are forced to use technology. Unfortunately, the ruling was highly unfavorable for all of us in law enforcement. Moreover, we also knew that it would be a long, long time before anything would come along to change it as the status quo." That is from this site:
http://www.alea.org/public/airbeat/back_issues/sep_oct_2004/index.aspx


More of the issue: This covers the ' inadvertant' discovery....meaning that if a cop is NOT actually looking for something and ' stumbles across' a heat signature, then they can use that. it is a legal sticky point, but the cops, liars that they are, say that they were looking for a lost dog or whatever, they just happened to fly over joe Blows house and read a heat sig. The cops are always trying to whittle away our rights and to shove their insane crap down society's throat:


"So, in light of this, what about the "inadvertent" discovery by a tactical flight officer of a residence which appears, due to heat anomalies, to contain an indoor marijuana grow while out using surveillance technology for unrelated law enforcement purposes? Is he supposed to just ignore it?
Luckily, one post-Kyllo case, although not a FLIR case, shines a ray of hope in this direction. In ruling on the legality of contraband found while an officer was moving a suspect’s car for safe-keeping, the court stated that it’s not a "search" if law enforcement is not "looking for something." The court further said that "the greater the effort made, the more likely the purpose" was to intrude and invade privacy. They compared such inadvertent discoveries to a vehicle inventory search where contraband is found while securing the vehicle, not "searching," per se."

Here is a scumbag pig whining about us having rights..he thinks that the Supreme Court was ' erroneous' in deciding KYLLO!! Imagine that! Some cop with a high school diploma telling us that the Supreme Court got is all wrong:

"Up until 2001, police officers could use a thermal imager to scan any home, farm, office, shed or other structure at their whim".
"That said, 2001 changed the thermal imaging landscape in the US. Erroneously stating that thermal imaging was a technology not available to the general public, and concerned that some unknown future technology might make it possible to see the intimate details of private life within the confines of a home's four walls, the Supreme Court banned a current technology that does not reveal the intimate details within a home.
Catch that? Yep, worried about something that does not yet exist that could see into a home, the justices decided to restrict a technology that does exist but does not see into a home. So, courtesy of Kyllo v. U.S., police officers must now obtain a search warrant prior to performing a thermal scan of a private dwelling. Notice, the Kyllo decision applies only to private dwellings, where the expectation of privacy is highest. "

Cops WANT to be able to do anything they like, at their ' whim'. Sick as hell. The whim of a cop overrides all the law and our liberties...sick sick sick..

I could go on and on...but the bottom line is this: a HOME, occupied by people, has privacy expectations that are interfered with by thermal imaging. However, barns and outbuildings are less protected. The cops are NOT supposed to be flying around looking for heat sig's..but as we know they all lie and will say that they were looking for something else when they ' accidentally' saw the heat sig.

The cops MUST get a warrant before using thermal imaging, and if they do not they risk losing the case. We should take little comfort from the limitations placed on cops by the courts, as the cops are always seeking to undo the courts decisions and expand their own ability to strip us of our rights. All so they can bust a pot grower os user...sick as hell.

As long as the cops are hand in dirty hand with the prosecutors we will see them try to force the milits of the law so they can bust more innocent ganja people. Shame on all cops, and double shame on the prosecutors that NEVER seek real justice, but merely convictions.
 

hkush

Member
Taken from police chief magazine, at http://policechiefmagazine.org/magazine/index.cfm?fuseaction=display&article_id=1527&issue_id=62008

Marijuana Investigations: Indoor marijuana growing operations can also be uncovered by thermal imagers, but the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in SNIP
To save you some time, here are the search results for the word Marijuana at that site too, in case you want to read more about the enemy! http://policechiefmagazine.org/magazine/index.cfm?fuseaction=search_rs&keyword=marijuana&x=0&y=0

Pretty good information. This is also interesting, from that page


  • Automatic License Plate Recognition
Technology now enables officers to check thousands of license plates per shift to determine if vehicles are stolen, if registered owners are wanted, or if there are restraints on registered owners’ driver’s licenses. The automatic license plate recognition (ALPR) system is an integrated camera-database technology. The system takes a picture of the car license plate and then processes the numbers and letters using optical character recognition software against a known database. Suspected “hits” are relayed to users either visually or verbally.
They have that at state lines as well. The UK has the same type of system except a lot more involved. They can punch up your license plate and know where and when the car has been for the previous six months. It's most likely how it ill be in the US in ten years.
 

demasoni

Member
stuff like ALPR, 100% interstate cam coverage...
wow can you say new world order, barcodes and police monitored tracking devices on human bodies next?scary
maybe LEO community will even push to do away with warrants for home searches, they already do that in a sense with vehicles plenty (asks driver to step out and leans in starts looking no probable cause or the required warrant). I'm sure theres plenty of pigs that sincerely want that control, terrifying. if only there was a big enough frying pan! reminds me of nazi SS
 

demasoni

Member
The cleared ground cover and the turned soil cause the sun’s heat to be absorbed at a higher rate than the rest of the surrounding ground. This change in heat absorption causes the areas around the plants to emit much higher heat, which thermal imagers are designed to detect.

so technically in the heavily grown areas like that, as long as the vegetation grown back over the hole is roughly same height as surrouding veg then holes not as visible right...?
then it would be great say if you have the taller stuff the height of your plants (not cleared in a perfect circle duur ) and then naturally shapped spaces of lower vegetation to to place hole in, which later creeps over top hole to help (tall grass, vines etc.)
Then there should be no visual differences plain view or thermal, just leaf shape closer up.
 

basscadet

Member
Thermal imaging cameras, mounted to helicopters, what a fantastic idea!!

Mankind can feel alot safer. Imagine the uses this bit of tech has. A plane carrying people crashes in rugged, inaccessable mountains or a young child is abducted and held by some lunatic peodophile.

This equipment could solve cases that tear the hearts out of families, this could ease the stress on young lives, this could...

Oh, wait. They use it to find plants in the woods.

Damn. These are the people who decide what we can and can't do? They give humanity a bad name!!!!

Were fucked already!!
 

lexxx

Member
Great Stuff

Great Stuff

Thanks... great advice about a subject you can't easily find out about...
 
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lysol

After obtaining a search warrant, officers can use thermal imaging technology to monitor the length of time that grow lights are in operation and then infer the age of the marijuana plants. In most jurisdictions, it is important to conduct the raid only after the plants reach maturity

That's a reason to run 12/12 then.

Police Chief: the plants are mature, we should get lbs of weight
Grower's Lawyer: Your honor there was 0 grams of smokable marijuana seized, only vegging seedlings that may or may not have reached maturity
Judge: LEGALIZE IT
 

Lazyman

Overkill is under-rated.
Veteran
That's a reason to run 12/12 then.

Police Chief: the plants are mature, we should get lbs of weight
Grower's Lawyer: Your honor there was 0 grams of smokable marijuana seized, only vegging seedlings that may or may not have reached maturity
Judge: LEGALIZE IT


Yep, agreed. I also wonder if you could get an expert to testify that the only difference between hemp and chronic is the THC content. If so, then why isn't just the weight of the THC in question? Can't get high off smoking hemp flowers, right? So show me the exact THC content to the milligram (which would be funny to watch LEO screw up) and charge me for that.

If someone took one gram of cocaine and dumped it into a 6 ton truckload of baking powder, do you have 6 tons of cocaine? Doesn't sound right to me.
 
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