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ExtractNinja said:

https://future4200.com/t/fake-dank-vapes-warning/33861


Currently there seem to be at least three different illnesses, not just one, and looks like multiple causes, not just one. according to the American Lung Association CMO. The FDA and CDC is also syaing they dont know what it is and no single common factor has been identified. from listening to the fda and cdc last week they were not more worried about vit E acetate than other possible causes.
Now most big time newspapers are shying away from pointing at vit E as the cause. they are now being more responsible and listing to the FDA adn CDC and using good science reporting.

no one knows what the causes are yet. and b/c there are deaths its important to avoid bad science reporting.

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hush said:

I never thought I'd see the return of the medicine show snake oil days in my lifetime, but here we are.

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Cvh said:

@Future, First off mineral oil, this progressed to Vitamin E and now people are not only getting serious lung injuries but there are also multiple confirmed deaths.
Is there maybe something into your reach you can do about the sale of cutting agents for cart production?

For example, would it be possible to sit around the table with the GLG gang and the other Future4200 members to reach a possible agreement to stop the sale of cutting agents by GLG affiliates?
I have seen myself how even drums filled with Vitamin E and other cutting agents got offered for sale by GLG members.
This might reflect onto the BM vape carts production as well if GLG members at least stop the sale of all these cutting agents.

Now even in the EU there is a witch hunt starting on all things vape related, this is becoming a global media tobacco lobby fueled frenzy.

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Ringodoggie said:

Anyone have the full text of the WSJ article (I'm not a subscriber).

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Researchers Say Vitamin E Likely Isn’t the Culprit in Vaping-Related Ailments
Public-health authorities had focused on thickeners; lung damage similar to ‘toxic-fume exposure,’ Mayo Clinic researcher says

Robert Lee HotzOct. 2, 2019 5:00 pm ET

Vaping advocates at a rally in Ohio. A team at Mayo Clinic reported that the lung tissue they examined from victims of vaping-related illnesses suggests the damage could have been caused by inhaling a caustic chemical fume. Photo: Joshua A. Bickel/The Columbus Dispatch/Associated Press
Researchers at the Mayo Clinic have all but ruled out vitamin E oil and other thickeners as the possible culprit in a wave of vaping-related illnesses and deaths, deepening the mystery of what might be at fault.

Instead, the clinic pathology team reported in the New England Journal of Medicine on Wednesday that the lung tissue they examined suggests the damage was more likely caused by inhaling a caustic chemical fume.

“The damage is essentially akin to a chemical burn,” said surgical pathologist Brandon Larsen at the Mayo Clinic in Scottsdale, Ariz., who led the research team. “It looks like a toxic-fume exposure, like those that occurred in World War I with mustard gas or in an industrial setting with exposure to fumes from a chemical spill.”

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In all, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention so far has reported 805 lung-injury cases in 46 states and the U.S. Virgin Islands. There have been more than a dozen deaths confirmed in 11 states.

On Tuesday, the New Jersey Department of Health reported the state’s first known vaping-related death. The woman, described only as “beyond college age,” died in August. “This death underscores the potential dangers associated with vaping,” acting state Health Commissioner Judy Persichilli said.

In the new study Wednesday, Dr. Larsen and his colleagues examined lung-biopsy tissue from 17 patients at hospitals around the country, all of whom had been diagnosed with vaping-associated lung injuries. Almost three-quarters of them had vaped using cartridges containing marijuana or cannabis oils, the pathologists said. Two of them died.

Public-health authorities have struggled to discover exactly what is causing some people to sicken when they vape. There are hundreds of bootleg brands, no standards for “vape juice” mixtures and little systematic research into the health effects of inhaling the heated chemical vapors. Heating changes the chemical composition of vaping liquid in unknown ways, experts said.

Earlier this year, researchers at the University of California, Riverside, identified about 400 different models of vaping devices and 8,000 or so chemical flavor names used in various e-cigarette fluids. Some popular refill fluids contained 22 to 47 flavoring chemicals, the researchers reported in Nature Scientific Reports. Many of them can cause cell damage or suppress immune responses, the scientists said.

Thickening oils used to dilute THC, the psychoactive ingredient in cannabis, in black-market vaping mixtures had emerged as a prime suspect. Inhaling such oils has long been known to cause an unusual form of pneumonia.

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In September, the New York State Department of Health issued subpoenas for companies in California, Michigan and Massachusetts that sold vitamin E oil as a thickening agent for vaping pods.

Last month, Dr. Kevin Davidson at WakeMed Hospital in Raleigh, N.C., and colleagues reported on five cases of vaping-related illness, all of which showed traces of the distinctive lipid oils in the lungs during diagnostic tests. “Finding oil within the lung is never normal, and it seems to be a hallmark of this disease,” Dr. Davidson said.

But the Mayo Clinic’s lung-tissue samples, the first to be examined directly under a microscope, showed no sign of oils. “We have not seen any evidence of that in any of our cases,” Dr. Larsen said.

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