Heavy Marijuana Users Earn Less

bombadil.360 said:

zbenjii, an empirical approach to study the effects of cannabis use will always be flawed from the start. why? because an empirical approach uses a mind-set that cannot quantify nor qualify the experience of cannabis use.

the experience of cannabis use is outside the realm of empirical inquiry, and to truly tackle it down, you need the tools of introspection and contemplation.

cannabis use is an art, not a science, to put it in other words.

truly intelligent people understand this; while pseudo-scientists unable to differentiate science from scientism do not.

be good

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Skip said:

Perhaps it has something to do with the LAW?

Marijuana users are PERSECUTED and REVILED in our society.

With them arresting 900,000 marijuana users a year, that goes on their record and will affect their job prospects.

So it's not necessarily marijuana use per se that is causing lower incomes, but the social and legal effects of being a marijuana user causing their earning power to diminish.

In other words it ain't the WEED that's the problem, it's the LAW that is...

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kayakush22 said:

Bullshit I prove this study wrong everyday and I am a legal med patient. I have a high paying job, went to school own a house. There is such thing as responsible cannabis use

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zbenjii said:

Your quote from your study you brought here- As you can see, the estimated decrease in income at the age of 23 for each day of marijuana use as a teen and each day of cigarette use as a teen are $70.38 and $90.16 respectively, while each day of alcohol use as a 16 year old is estimated to increase future earnings by an average of $233.69. The coefficients for the level of alcohol consumption and the level of cigarette consumption are both significantly different from zero at a 99% confidence level, while the coefficient for the number of days of marijuana use is only found to be significant at a 90% confidence level. Still, this regression is consistent with the previous results in this paper that suggested alcohol use as a teen was expected to increase future income, while both marijuana and cigarette use as a 16 year old was found to decrease earnings in young adults.

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zbenjii said:

Although this may be the case, i believe heavy marijuana users make less money because marijuana inhibits motivation and encourages anti-social behavior.

Humans are social animals and as a result, our most highly valued individuals are those that can communicate effectively.

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zbenjii said:

This study shows there is a higher chance of earning a lower income when ingesting marijuana. It also shows that people that ingest more marijuana are more likely to earn a lower wage.
It just means marijuana smokers are a certain percent more likely to earn a lower wage and heavier smokers tend to make even less.

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Infinitesimal said:

Not to mention that the vast majority of employers align themselves with un-consitutional government mandates that prohibits companies to hire cannabis users, and is always coming up with more and more accurate and sophisticated technology to ensure that cannabis users have a hard time finding any job. .

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Infinitesimal said:

Wow! I'm really Impressed LOL hahahaaha! this shit is really some of the funniest shit I've seen in a long while.
who the hell are you? this is straight up propaganda aimed at the youth. its telling high school kids that for each day they get drunk they'll end up making that much more money as an adult and by smoking they will end up being poor. I think this is funny but stupid kids are gonna think its real because, it came from a study ooh ooh...

or do you just work for the alcohol industry?



what i find disturbing, and partly disgusting is your coming here championing this. this is typical prohibition rhetoric.

cannabis is the remover of illusions, so if an individual smokers choose to close themselves off from "society" as it is from your standpoint. maybe they see through the illusion that were supposed to live in close, confined area's with hundreds of people literally within a stones throw. the interaction between individuals in society nowadays has become so un human anyways to the point where society really doesn't serve humans social needs as much as it does the needs of corporations to have human resources to work for them so they can make profit off of said human resources. thats why most of the time when your in public with people. no one gives a fuck about you or whats going on. everyones doing there own thing, meeting some deadline of some sort or another that was un naturally placed upon them but they feel is necessary for society to continue. Maybe those "antisocial" smokers are more exclusively social they may not feel the need to be surrounded by un sincere people all the time and prefers to choose with who and when they socialize.

not everyone on earth could be like you.

and to the moral... what role does the amount one earns in a monetary sense play in determining the overall success of a human life?


peace,
Infi

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zbenjii said:

I make money off of marijuana. I have used marijuana more than once a day for a couple of years. I have friends that are all across the spectrum of marijuana use. I hate alcohol because i tend to feel sick after drinking.. like literally sick.

i have a bit of experience smoking pot.. but I'm disillusioned. Yeah bud is awesome and it feels great to be high. I've realized that there are costs to this feeling. Everyone should be aware that these costs exist and should take them into consideration.

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zbenjii said:

I make money off of marijuana. I have used marijuana more than once a day for a couple of years. I have friends that are all across the spectrum of marijuana use. I hate alcohol because i tend to feel sick after drinking.. like literally sick.

i have a bit of experience smoking pot.. but I'm disillusioned. Yeah bud is awesome and it feels great to be high. I've realized that there are costs to this feeling. Everyone should be aware that these costs exist and should take them into consideration.

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zbenjii said:

Like it or not, we are part of an intricate system of buyers and sellers. There is one end goal: reproduction. Our legacy, the only thing we leave after we die, is our offspring.

In this global economy, the winners are those that reproduce. With inflation, increasing population, and limited employment, reproduction is limited by resources. People make contributions to the economy, and the economy values these contributions in terms of money.

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Infinitesimal said:

seems like zbenjii is broke and depressed, and is trying to project that onto all smokers like it's the herbs fault and we all need to be aware of the dangers of the mexican loco weed

I'm just about done with these threads as there is absolutely nothing of any benefit to the community here just a bunch of nonsense

peace,
Infi

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Exclusive: Why Cant You Smoke Pot
Because Lobbyists Are Getting Rich Off Of The War On Drugs

By Lee Fang posted Mar 7th 2012 at 11:00AM

John Lovell is a lobbyist who makes a lot of money from making sure you can’t smoke a joint. That’s his job. He’s a lobbyist for the police unions in Sacramento, and he is a driving force behind grabbing Federal dollars to shut down the California marijuana industry. I’ll get to the evidence on this important story in a bit, but first, some context.

At some point in the distant past, the war on drugs might have been popular. But not anymore — the polling is clear, but beyond that, the last three Presidents have used illegal drugs. So why do we still put hundreds of thousands of people in steel cages for pot-related offenses? Well, there are many reasons, but one of them is, of course, money in politics. Corruption. Whatever you want to call it, it’s why you can’t smoke a joint without committing a crime, though of course you can ingest any number of pills or drinks completely within the law.

Some of the groups who want to keep the drug illegal are police unions that want more members to pay more dues. One of the primary sources for cash for more policing activities are Federal grants for penalizing illegal drug use, which help pay for overtime, additional police officers, and equipment for the force. That’s what Lovell does, he gets those grants. He also fights against democratic mechanisms to legalize drugs.

In 2010, California considered Prop 19, a measure to legalize marijuana and tax it as alcohol. The proposition gained more votes than Meg Whitman, the former eBay executive and Republican gubernatorial nominee that year, but failed to pass. Opponents of the initiative ran ads, organized rallies, and spread conspiracy theories about billionaire George Soros to confuse voters.

Lovell managed the opposition campaign against Prop 19. He told Time Magazine that he was pushing against the initiative because, “the last thing we need is yet another mind-altering substance to be legalized.”

But Republic Report reviewed lobbying contracts during the Prop 19 fight, and found that Lovell’s firm was paid over $386,350 from a wide array of police unions, including the California Police Chiefs Association.

While Lovell may contend that he sincerely opposes the idea of marijuana legalization, he has constructed an entire business model predicated on pot prohibition.

Shortly after President Obama’s stimulus program passed, Lovell went to work channeling the taxpayer money for California into drug war programs. According to documents Republic Report obtained from the Police Chiefs Association, Lovell helped local departments apply for drug war money from the Federal government. Here’s a copy of one letter sent to a police department in Lassen County, California:

THERE ARE A NUMBER OF IMPORTANT OPPORTUNITIES AVAILABLE TO POLICE AGENCIES ARISING OUT OF THE RECENTLY ADOPTED AMERICAN RECOVERY AND REINVESTMENT ACT OF 2009. PLEASE TAKE THE TIME TO READ THIS BULLETIN FROM THE US DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE OFFICE OF JUSTICE PROGRAMS. JOHN LOVELL WILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE FOLLOWUP INFORMATION. HIS PHONE NUMBER IS 916-447-3820
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There is big money in marijuana prohibition. Lovell represented a police union in a bid to steer some $2.2 million dollars into a “Marijuana Suppression Program.” In 2009 and 2010, California police unions sought a $7,537,389 chunk of Federal money for police to conduct a “Campaign Against Marijuana Planting” program.

The anti-marijuana money went directly into the paychecks of many officers. For example, police departments in Shasta, Siskiyou, and Tehama Counties formed a “North California Eradication Team” to receive $550,000 in grants that helped pay for overtime, a new officer, and flight operations:

The total amount awarded was $550,000, to be split between Shasta, Siskiyou and Tehama counties, which make up the Northern California Marijuana Eradication Team (NorCal-MET). Broken down in the agenda worksheet, the sheriff’s office is expecting to spend $20,000 on flight operations, $94,895 for the full-time deputy’s salary and benefits, $16,788 for the administration assistant salary and benefits and $29,983 to cover up to 666.29 hours of overtime.​

The Federal anti-marijuana honeypot might have dried up if Prop 19 had passed. Legalizing marijuana would have generated billions in tax revenue for the state of California, while also reducing victimless crime prosecutions. But for lobbyists like Lovell, legalization was a direct assault on hundreds of thousands of dollars in potential fees for helping to solicit taxpayer money for his clients.

Police unions also contributed about $100,500 to a campaign account used to coordinate opposition to Prop 19. Of the $386,350 in fees paid by police unions to Lovell through 2009 and 2010, status update reports reviewed by Republic Report reveal that Lovell worked on a number of issues, from advocacy against Prop 19 to channeling grants and monitoring legislation.

Of course, police unions aren’t the only interest group with a stake in maintaining broken drug laws. The beer industry, alcohol corporations, and prison guard unions also contributed money to help Lovell stop Prop 19. Howard Wooldridge, a retired police officer who now helps push for legalization as a citizen advocate, told Republic Report that drug company lobbyists also fight to keep marijuana illegal because they view pot as a low-cost form of competition.

http://www.republicreport.org/2012/...sts-are-getting-rich-off-of-the-war-on-drugs/

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