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Old 09-28-2018, 03:51 PM #731
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so speaking about jobs in the weedsector there in america, and certificates, what's your view on education and job prospects? what's the industry look like, average education, how much of the current knowledge aplied on legal crops are they actually using?
Hard to say. For job prospects, it seems like most states have caps and moratoriums on how many licenses or facilities can exist. Florida is only allowed to have 5 production facilities for the whole state. Colorado has many more but there is a cap imposed from time to time on how many new licenses they'll issue in a year, and many counties and cities vetoed having dispensaries altogether.

Education- A lot of my friends in the industry have some form of a college education but almost never is it for bio-chem or horticulture or botany. Met an arborist once, but he wasn't very effective. Your average employee has minimal experience, maybe 25% of them are the ones who were blowing it up underground. They never stick around.

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speaking about a schmuck of the thread, I could be it just as well. I have the benefit of having followed some courses, but experience wise I'm nowhere near people here. I just have a few plants for personal use, and I like connecting the things I hear in class with cannabis(I do think my study helps a lot in reading forums like this, since it helps me filter the broscience stonerbullshit from the actual knowledge).
Amen, I've worked backwards into this scenario. I grew, I thought I was hot shit, I started to filter and check myself, I was wrong, I got better, I identified the forums and the users who can back it up, and then I went back to education to confirm to myself why those ideas were right or why the principles are sound.

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but I'm starting to realize I'm really interested in breeding, and I would love to work with weed, but in a legal sector. not willing to deal with criminals and possible violence, in that case I'll rather go into tomatoes or some other legal crop. but I think weed has great oppurtunity: a developing legal market, transition from hidden indoor to outdoor in the open(so need for new cultivars), green revolution skipped while we already have a 2nd coming up with legal crops, and a great genetic diversity to start breeding from.
Fuck I wish someone would pay me to do massive plant breeding and work in that sector. That would be a dream come true. Any crop, any time, anywhere. Advancing a crop in anyway with a huge population sounds like heaven.

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so my hope is the netherlands will follow america, and we'll have a similar legal market developing in ~10 years, and I can enter it at the start.

so I'm interested to hear about how the industry there in america is turning out. is it mostly black market growers converting, without education? is there any big flow of new graduates in programmes like mine(plant sciences/botany/horticulture) that now choose to work in weed now it's legal? or are they kept out the door by an industry still trusting more in the previous black market/personal relations?
That's how I felt nearly ten years ago. I thought if I stuck with it and I had my foot in early, how could I not be set? It's my problem because as it turns out the business side is more important than the weed over here. How often do we hear, 'dispensary weed is shit, homegrown is where it's at' but the dispensaries aren't going anywhere, are they? The businesses may come and go but the licenses never disappear and they'll always be held by someone. I should have got an MBA or something when I was 24 if I wanted to be over the top successful. The black market converts are successful because they brought a lot of capitol to the table and they found the right business partners. And nepotism does exist, it does help to know someone from time to time.

But honestly, I'm with you again, I just like plants. I'd rather grow and work my fingers to the bone. Not necessarily for no money but if all I had to do was tend a garden and the bills were paid, you'd get no argument from me.

As for an influx of degrees or people going to university for this thing, I wouldn't know and the kind of jobs we're offering would be beneath them. At my company in particular we have a process and we hire to have people follow it. The more educated or experienced people just push back on the process. I would like to use my experience and the courses to get in with a company that will let me set the process again. That probably won't be in Colorado.
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I've not frequented this thread this summer since it was/is a busy season.

Unfortunately a drought like never seen before kinda messed up the fertilization plans of my guerilla patches . I did lab tests, calculated the needed input, gave it all as a top feed beginning of May. But then the weather decided to skip the rain for around 10 weeks. So my top dress did not have the chance to make the changes I wanted to see till July.
The real test for those amended beds will thus be next year. That aside, the plants that did not suffer from the drought were super healthy and made thick full stems and branches.

For my first indoor peat mix I made the mistake of adding too much N in the form of bonemeal. I ran it anyways, but without feed. Plants were happier than ever before. I did already recycle that soil 3 times without any additions and now I have to start to feed them a bit.

I wanted to mix a new soil, but this is giving me some headaches. I was hoping someone here could crack the puzzle that this mix is giving me. Something very strange is happening: the pH of the mix keeps at around 5.1-5.3, regardless of how many CaCO3 I put into it.

This is what I did:
Base mix = 300l Latvian peat (moist volume) + 60l leafmold + 1800g Maerl (34% CaCO3)

The peat I used here, was from a different brand of the first mix I made which is not giving me trouble. The pic at the end of this message gives the bag that I'm using. The leafmold came from the same batch.

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My process:
1. Mix the dry peat and moist leafmold, after that add the calcium 'dissolved' in groundwater. Mix thoroughly.
2. let sit for 2 weeks
3. Mix all the other fertilizers in groundwater and add that to the basemix. Mix thoroughly.

This mix gives a 5.1pH. Which is weird because 1l peat alone (from the exact same bag) + 5g Mearl gives 6.2 pH.
Now, when trying to resolve this I started by adding 3g Maerl mixed into tapwater to 1l mix, without any pH effect.
I did the exact same thing with 30g Maerl for 1l mix (let it cook 6 days at room temperature) , but this only bumps it to 5.25 pH.

I did calibrate my pH meter, I did a control measurement with litmus paper, but still same findings.

I'm clueless.

Any suggestions?



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Old 10-01-2018, 07:00 PM #733
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Mix #1: How did you add too much N with bone meal? I wouldn't see that as a concern, I bet your phosphorous was fantastic.

Mix #2: Liming alone takes some time. Maerl isn't just calcium, you get trace minerals and insoluble carbs. Can't be certain but you may also have some potassium in there. Depending on your source your CaCo3 can be manufactured by precipitation, which is another key difference between the two. The purity factor will make your pH adjustments more linear but the Maerl can be more volatile.

If you limed first and then added Maerl, you'll be fighting that buffer for a minute, is my guess. Have you tried adding them in the opposite order? Maybe plant a little cover crop in there to expend H+ until it's where you want it.
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Old 10-01-2018, 09:44 PM #734
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Thanks for the answer gospel,

On the over-abundance of N: I'm growing plants that are light N feeders, I'm giving them only 1 to 2 weeks veg. And I already had 60ppm of N from the leafmold, then I added 120ppm with bonemeal.
This was way over my target of 60ppm, I did have dark green leafs, but other problems stayed away fortunately.

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I do lime with Maerl, it is my only real calcium source, I don't count on the Ca from bonemeal and TSP. So when I said calcium, I meant Maerl.

I can see your point of the lag in effect, but the weird thing is that the 1l peat + 5g Maerl gave me a good reading after a week if I'm not mistaken.

Plus, I mixed the base (normally with enough Maerl) two months ago.

One other thing I did different than the first mix was that I did not use a microbial inoculatant (EM1).

Should I add an acid to my Maerl to chelate it before mixing?
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I've not frequented this thread this summer since it was/is a busy season.

Unfortunately a drought like never seen before kinda messed up the fertilization plans of my guerilla patches . I did lab tests, calculated the needed input, gave it all as a top feed beginning of May. But then the weather decided to skip the rain for around 10 weeks. So my top dress did not have the chance to make the changes I wanted to see till July.
The real test for those amended beds will thus be next year. That aside, the plants that did not suffer from the drought were super healthy and made thick full stems and branches.

For my first indoor peat mix I made the mistake of adding too much N in the form of bonemeal. I ran it anyways, but without feed. Plants were happier than ever before. I did already recycle that soil 3 times without any additions and now I have to start to feed them a bit.

I wanted to mix a new soil, but this is giving me some headaches. I was hoping someone here could crack the puzzle that this mix is giving me. Something very strange is happening: the pH of the mix keeps at around 5.1-5.3, regardless of how many CaCO3 I put into it.

This is what I did:
Base mix = 300l Latvian peat (moist volume) + 60l leafmold + 1800g Maerl (34% CaCO3)

The peat I used here, was from a different brand of the first mix I made which is not giving me trouble. The pic at the end of this message gives the bag that I'm using. The leafmold came from the same batch.

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My process:
1. Mix the dry peat and moist leafmold, after that add the calcium 'dissolved' in groundwater. Mix thoroughly.
2. let sit for 2 weeks
3. Mix all the other fertilizers in groundwater and add that to the basemix. Mix thoroughly.

This mix gives a 5.1pH. Which is weird because 1l peat alone (from the exact same bag) + 5g Mearl gives 6.2 pH.
Now, when I trying to resolve this I started by adding 3g Maerl mixed into tapwater to 1l mix, without any pH effect.
I did the exact same thing with 30g Maerl for 1l mix (let it cook 6 days at room temperature) , but this only bumps it to 5.25 pH.

I did calibrate my pH meter, I did a control measurement with litmus paper, but still same findings.

I'm clueless.

Any suggestions?


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you're 6.2PH is your anomaly, something was different you're missing. How reliable is that tap water there, always the same TDS, PH? Lot of people lime in the fall for spring, depending on quality of CaC03 and source the time it gets used / effective can be a while . Very hard to mix dry peat properly without a wetting agent, did you use one? Pure Peat behaves odd due to its porous and hydraulic properties and don't forget the type and % content of organic material there and how far broken down or not....

and here's to getting off post 666.... cheers buddy
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Thanks for getting me to think different Led.

I'll check the water, I'll redo the peat +5g, I'l inspect both peat inputs used.

What wetting agent are you thinking about?
I got some fermented aloe. Or just a few drops of 'natural' soap?
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Thanks for getting me to think different Led.

I'll check the water, I'll redo the peat +5g, I'l inspect both peat inputs used.

What wetting agent are you thinking about?
I got some fermented aloe. Or just a few drops of 'natural' soap?
Iím not sure exactly whatís used. Just know when I wet promix itís easy, when trying to do pure peat without the wetting agent ( Iím sure itís standard I just donít know from memory) promix uses, royal pain in the ass. Iíve had plenty of dry peat spots in the GH with soaked ones right next to it after dumping and floating peat in water, dry spots still everywhere...Dry peat can be a cluster unless youíre tilling it into something, then easy. Pure peat also kicks out odd results Iíve found but Iím not smart enough to explain fully why.
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Then you might just have cracked my case:

- first peat input had a wetting agent
- second didn't

from the looks of the bags and where I bought them, that could indeed be the case. First one said: ready to use, came in 100l bags in a standard garden centrum. Second bale was more pressed and 300l, came from a more agricultural oriented store.
I'll inspect it.
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My thoughts are that the TSP is dropping your pH. Good to see you around Arnold!


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Thanks for the answer gospel,

On the over-abundance of N: I'm growing plants that are light N feeders, I'm giving them only 1 to 2 weeks veg. And I already had 60ppm of N from the leafmold, then I added 120ppm with bonemeal.
This was way over my target of 60ppm, I did have dark green leafs, but other problems stayed away fortunately.

Mix 2:
I do lime with Maerl, it is my only real calcium source, I don't count on the Ca from bonemeal and TSP. So when I said calcium, I meant Maerl.

I can see your point of the lag in effect, but the weird thing is that the 1l peat + 5g Maerl gave me a good reading after a week if I'm not mistaken.

Plus, I mixed the base (normally with enough Maerl) two months ago.

One other thing I did different than the first mix was that I did not use a microbial inoculatant (EM1).

Should I add an acid to my Maerl to chelate it before mixing?
My bad I thought you were liming and using Maerl for a quick calcium source. Led makes the case though, the 6.2 is the anomaly. I should've asked about other wetting agents.
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