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Old 08-14-2018, 05:59 AM #951
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WOW...give it up to NBC....good reporting.

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Judge Allows Release Of Suspects Linked To 'Extremist Muslim' Compound Before Trial



A New Mexico judge ruled against a state prosecutor's request to detain five alleged Islamic extremists who were charged with child abuse after federal authorities raided their compound at the beginning of the month.

Prosecutors alleged that Siraj Ibn Wahhaj, 40, conducted weapons training at the compound — which was constructed out of garbage — where 11 children were found starving and living in squalid conditions.

Fox News reports that prosecutors revealed on Monday that the children who were found at the compound "were both trained to use firearms and taught multiple tactical techniques in order to kill teachers, law enforcement and other institutions they found corrupt."

Despite the push from prosecutors to hold the five suspects pending trial, Judge Sarah Backus cited their lack of criminal history and said that the state did not provide sufficient evidence showing that they would be a danger to the community if released.

"The state alleges there was a big plan afoot but the state has not shown to my satisfaction by clear and convincing evidence what in fact that plan was," Backus said, according to CNN. "The state wants me to make a leap and it's a large leap and that would be to hold people in jail without bond based on -- again -- troubling facts but I didn't hear any choate plan that was being alleged by the state."

Backus set bail at $20,000 for each suspect and ordered that they must wear ankle monitors if released.

The four other adults who lived at the compound that were arrested are Lucas Morton, 40; Jany Leveille, 35; Hujrah Wahhaj, 38; and Subhanah Wahhaj, 35.
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I wish the solution would be as simple as "Let them fight it out and let the strongest be the victor.", but it's not that simple. We could do it but it would send the 3/4 of the world back to the dark ages. And that's bad for business. People think "Oh the government cares about us because they don't want us to smoke cigarettes." Well you'd be wrong. They don't give a crap about the individual. They care about money. They don't want you to smoke cigarettes because it costs them and breaks the highest rule of all. And that rule belongs to economics' Raison D'etre: The Effective and Efficient use of all resources.

You guys just don't see the big picture. You only see the immediate crap. Some true, some total BS. These are decisions that are in the long term plans. Very very long term. Like generations long term. I had a Political Science professor who once told me that "Every single political decision has an economic reason leading the way. Be it raising minimum wages or interest rates, sanctions, waging war and foreign aid. They don't give money away because they're nice guys." The end goal is to raise the standard of living in every single country on earth. This reduces immigration, increases trade, increases life expectancy and redistributes wealth in the long term. It's the whole reason for Globalism, WTO, and yes, NAFTA as well. NAFTA for example is ultimately meant to equalize incomes in North America, and eventually South America also. But TRUMP simply wants a quick win while he's alive so he can get a statue of himself by going against the global political plans of every party (Republican and Democrat). And yes there is a shadow government. But it includes ALL parties. In Parliamentary systems like Canada and the UK we do it semi-openly with the Privy Council and Queens Privy Council. The US does it via two pseudo independent parties. Parties are domestically different, but globally united with the same ultimate goal. Some actions go well, some poorly.

Did you know that the world today has more peace and prosperity (less poverty) that at any other time in history? There's a reason for that. Eliminating despots would be a bigger boost, economically and socially, than almost anything. That's why we're in Syria and other shit hole countries. Most countries would have been nuked by now, but the numbers ($) dictate the slow route to save as many lives... sorry... human resources as possible.

Jesus Christ would be ruthless in the extreme. I'm willing to bet his slogan would be "Today.... we settle all family business."
you are right, there are certain interest groups that make plans long term. they plan how to amass more power and wealth every generation and as you say they chose new countries to "open" up to their system of centralized banking. the problem is they don't do this to benefit the people, they do this to in debt and enslave the people. they want Syria to get massive imf loans so the taxes are wasted on interest rate payments. its slavery to the banks plain and simple and they want every single country on earth to be so enslaved.

as for standard of living, yes globally it goes up, but in these countries the west is waging a capitalist jihad against, the standard of living, medical care etc, goes to hell every time.

so global living standards might be going up, but thats nothing to do with the wars being waged everywhere, those wars are what slows it all down again. so saying they are somehow connected is bs.

in this day and age it's not necessary for nations to be liberated, you have to let them settle it. even if things are not good, by going in militarily you always make it worse. if you leave them alone they will sort things ut in time internally. if you attack them, they just close ranks against the outsiders. to make further positive progress, nations need to trade together peacefully and people need to travel and see each others way of living, so the best ideas get spread and bad ideas are shown for what they are.

but lets say you are right and all this war and invasion of small helpless and poor countries will eventually lead to massive profits for the invading countries companies? is that so great? also what moral right do you have to do this looting and pillaging in the world? isn't it enough that you have the dollar system to give the US a huge advantage on the global economic scene, do you now also have to go back to stealing others resources? thats some fucked up gangster shit right there.
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... also what moral right do you have to do this looting and pillaging in the world? isn't it enough that you have the dollar system to give the US a huge advantage on the global economic scene, do you now also have to go back to stealing others resources? thats some fucked up gangster shit right there.
the history of mankind
take the Romans, pretty similar, they had to have it all
of course if they didn't someone else would, the usual rationalization
people on the whole benefited, some more than others of course
and when Rome collapsed? not many benefits for anybody
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this is a quick take down of the pro al qaida charles lister, check it...

interesting on a few levels, anyone against extremism should be on the government side in Syria.

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another interesting clip from R&U

Interview with European jihadists in Idlib | August 2018 | Syria

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also pretty interesting report on the recent liberation of the isis area on the border of the occupied Golan Heights, with an interview with one of the captured isis, Khalid bin waled army. listen to this guys views ad tell me you want him and his ilk to win in Syria. remember he is a prisoner, so he is toning his views down to look better, but still....

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you are right, there are certain interest groups that make plans long term. they plan how to amass more power and wealth every generation and as you say they chose new countries to "open" up to their system of centralized banking. the problem is they don't do this to benefit the people, they do this to in debt and enslave the people. they want Syria to get massive imf loans so the taxes are wasted on interest rate payments. its slavery to the banks plain and simple and they want every single country on earth to be so enslaved.

as for standard of living, yes globally it goes up, but in these countries the west is waging a capitalist jihad against, the standard of living, medical care etc, goes to hell every time.


so global living standards might be going up, but thats nothing to do with the wars being waged everywhere, those wars are what slows it all down again. so saying they are somehow connected is bs.

in this day and age it's not necessary for nations to be liberated, you have to let them settle it. even if things are not good, by going in militarily you always make it worse. if you leave them alone they will sort things ut in time internally. if you attack them, they just close ranks against the outsiders. to make further positive progress, nations need to trade together peacefully and people need to travel and see each others way of living, so the best ideas get spread and bad ideas are shown for what they are.

but lets say you are right and all this war and invasion of small helpless and poor countries will eventually lead to massive profits for the invading countries companies? is that so great? also what moral right do you have to do this looting and pillaging in the world? isn't it enough that you have the dollar system to give the US a huge advantage on the global economic scene, do you now also have to go back to stealing others resources? thats some fucked up gangster shit right there.



So how do you explain Germany, Italy, and Japan? Leaving Europe to their troubles brought us WW2. I used to believe that we should let the strongest rule. Let them settle all family business, but history shows us it's always the most ruthlessly vicious and inhumane who rule. People who do what it takes to win. At all costs. That is, unless good people sacrifice and do something to stop them.

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ww1 caused ww2, look into the Versay treaty. Germans were forced to pass under the yoke economically after ww1 and that caused the dissatisfaction that allowed Hitler to be voted to power. he then blamed all problems on 1 religious group and we all know how that went.

but the main point is that Hitler attacked and there by forced the Russians, Brits, Americans to team up to defend against them and defeat them.

while Syria, Iraq, Somalia, Libya, Niger, Yemen, DRC etc never attacked the US. there is a big difference between forming a defensive coalition and building an offensive coalition like nato is now in many of those places. even Afghanistan never attacked the US, it was Saudi citizens mainly responsible for 911. so i don't buy that justification for raping and pillaging your way across the planet. the US has been the aggressor in all wars since ww2. meaning that, in none of those wars, was the US mainland ever attacked. hence no self defense justification for all those war exist in international law.

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ISIS given ‘breathing space’ in parts of Syria under US-backed forces' control

Published time: 18 Aug, 2018 02:29

https://www.rt.com/news/436251-isis-...g-space-syria/

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Islamic State managed to regain access to Syrian oil fields and make profits from selling oil, a new UN report reveals. While the UN did not point fingers, the IS reemergence seems to occur in areas held by the US-backed forces.
“Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant [IS, formerly ISIL/ISIS], having been defeated militarily in Iraq and most of the Syrian Arab Republic during 2017, rallied in early 2018. This was the result of a loss of momentum by forces fighting it in the east of the Syrian Arab Republic,” the recent report from the UN Security Council’s Sanctions Monitoring Team reads. The document is dated July 27, but was only released to the public this week.

The slow-down gave IS “breathing space to prepare for the next phase of its evolution into a global covert network.” As of June 2018, the terrorist group has been controlling “small pockets of territory in the Syrian Arab Republic on the Iraqi border,” effectively carrying on with its quasi-state ways.

“[IS] was able to extract and sell some oil, and to mount attacks, including across the border into Iraq,” the reports stated, adding that the terrorist group regained “access to some oil fields in northeastern” Syria.

While the report did not specify which forces exactly were having troubles with “momentum,” northeastern Syria is located on the left bank of the Euphrates river, controlled by the so-called Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) militia backed by the US-led coalition.

Regaining control of the oil fields allowed IS to yet again make oil profits a significant source of revenue. The report also vaguely stated that IS continues to impose “taxes” on civilians “in areas it controls, as well as in contested areas,” as well as to kidnap local businessmen for ransom.

Apart from strengthening of IS-held “pockets” in northeastern Syria, the report also listed a number of hotspots in Syria, which might be sources of further IS reemergence. Among them, the UN named the Rukban refugee camp, located near the Al-Tanf US military base. Other IS-infested places listed in the report include unspecified locations in the Aleppo province and an area controlled by an IS-affiliated group in the Deraa province. The latter, however, was already eradicated late in July during the Syrian Army offensive in the south-west of the country.

The issue of the Rukban refugee camp has been repeatedly raised by Moscow and Damascus, who repeatedly urged the US to cooperate. Earlier in August, Colonel General Sergey Rudskoy, the head of operations of the Russian General Staff, described Rukban as place where “people are living in harsh conditions and where terrorists find shelter.”

“Our American partners should provide humanitarian access to Rukban as soon as possible, provide passage for the refugees to their home areas and withdraw the base from Al-Tanf,” Rudskoy stated.
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