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Old 08-14-2018, 02:26 PM #951
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I wish the solution would be as simple as "Let them fight it out and let the strongest be the victor.", but it's not that simple. We could do it but it would send the 3/4 of the world back to the dark ages. And that's bad for business. People think "Oh the government cares about us because they don't want us to smoke cigarettes." Well you'd be wrong. They don't give a crap about the individual. They care about money. They don't want you to smoke cigarettes because it costs them and breaks the highest rule of all. And that rule belongs to economics' Raison D'etre: The Effective and Efficient use of all resources.

You guys just don't see the big picture. You only see the immediate crap. Some true, some total BS. These are decisions that are in the long term plans. Very very long term. Like generations long term. I had a Political Science professor who once told me that "Every single political decision has an economic reason leading the way. Be it raising minimum wages or interest rates, sanctions, waging war and foreign aid. They don't give money away because they're nice guys." The end goal is to raise the standard of living in every single country on earth. This reduces immigration, increases trade, increases life expectancy and redistributes wealth in the long term. It's the whole reason for Globalism, WTO, and yes, NAFTA as well. NAFTA for example is ultimately meant to equalize incomes in North America, and eventually South America also. But TRUMP simply wants a quick win while he's alive so he can get a statue of himself by going against the global political plans of every party (Republican and Democrat). And yes there is a shadow government. But it includes ALL parties. In Parliamentary systems like Canada and the UK we do it semi-openly with the Privy Council and Queens Privy Council. The US does it via two pseudo independent parties. Parties are domestically different, but globally united with the same ultimate goal. Some actions go well, some poorly.

Did you know that the world today has more peace and prosperity (less poverty) that at any other time in history? There's a reason for that. Eliminating despots would be a bigger boost, economically and socially, than almost anything. That's why we're in Syria and other shit hole countries. Most countries would have been nuked by now, but the numbers ($) dictate the slow route to save as many lives... sorry... human resources as possible.

Jesus Christ would be ruthless in the extreme. I'm willing to bet his slogan would be "Today.... we settle all family business."
you are right, there are certain interest groups that make plans long term. they plan how to amass more power and wealth every generation and as you say they chose new countries to "open" up to their system of centralized banking. the problem is they don't do this to benefit the people, they do this to in debt and enslave the people. they want Syria to get massive imf loans so the taxes are wasted on interest rate payments. its slavery to the banks plain and simple and they want every single country on earth to be so enslaved.

as for standard of living, yes globally it goes up, but in these countries the west is waging a capitalist jihad against, the standard of living, medical care etc, goes to hell every time.

so global living standards might be going up, but thats nothing to do with the wars being waged everywhere, those wars are what slows it all down again. so saying they are somehow connected is bs.

in this day and age it's not necessary for nations to be liberated, you have to let them settle it. even if things are not good, by going in militarily you always make it worse. if you leave them alone they will sort things ut in time internally. if you attack them, they just close ranks against the outsiders. to make further positive progress, nations need to trade together peacefully and people need to travel and see each others way of living, so the best ideas get spread and bad ideas are shown for what they are.

but lets say you are right and all this war and invasion of small helpless and poor countries will eventually lead to massive profits for the invading countries companies? is that so great? also what moral right do you have to do this looting and pillaging in the world? isn't it enough that you have the dollar system to give the US a huge advantage on the global economic scene, do you now also have to go back to stealing others resources? thats some fucked up gangster shit right there.
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... also what moral right do you have to do this looting and pillaging in the world? isn't it enough that you have the dollar system to give the US a huge advantage on the global economic scene, do you now also have to go back to stealing others resources? thats some fucked up gangster shit right there.
the history of mankind
take the Romans, pretty similar, they had to have it all
of course if they didn't someone else would, the usual rationalization
people on the whole benefited, some more than others of course
and when Rome collapsed? not many benefits for anybody
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this is a quick take down of the pro al qaida charles lister, check it...

interesting on a few levels, anyone against extremism should be on the government side in Syria.

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another interesting clip from R&U

Interview with European jihadists in Idlib | August 2018 | Syria

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also pretty interesting report on the recent liberation of the isis area on the border of the occupied Golan Heights, with an interview with one of the captured isis, Khalid bin waled army. listen to this guys views ad tell me you want him and his ilk to win in Syria. remember he is a prisoner, so he is toning his views down to look better, but still....

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you are right, there are certain interest groups that make plans long term. they plan how to amass more power and wealth every generation and as you say they chose new countries to "open" up to their system of centralized banking. the problem is they don't do this to benefit the people, they do this to in debt and enslave the people. they want Syria to get massive imf loans so the taxes are wasted on interest rate payments. its slavery to the banks plain and simple and they want every single country on earth to be so enslaved.

as for standard of living, yes globally it goes up, but in these countries the west is waging a capitalist jihad against, the standard of living, medical care etc, goes to hell every time.


so global living standards might be going up, but thats nothing to do with the wars being waged everywhere, those wars are what slows it all down again. so saying they are somehow connected is bs.

in this day and age it's not necessary for nations to be liberated, you have to let them settle it. even if things are not good, by going in militarily you always make it worse. if you leave them alone they will sort things ut in time internally. if you attack them, they just close ranks against the outsiders. to make further positive progress, nations need to trade together peacefully and people need to travel and see each others way of living, so the best ideas get spread and bad ideas are shown for what they are.

but lets say you are right and all this war and invasion of small helpless and poor countries will eventually lead to massive profits for the invading countries companies? is that so great? also what moral right do you have to do this looting and pillaging in the world? isn't it enough that you have the dollar system to give the US a huge advantage on the global economic scene, do you now also have to go back to stealing others resources? thats some fucked up gangster shit right there.



So how do you explain Germany, Italy, and Japan? Leaving Europe to their troubles brought us WW2. I used to believe that we should let the strongest rule. Let them settle all family business, but history shows us it's always the most ruthlessly vicious and inhumane who rule. People who do what it takes to win. At all costs. That is, unless good people sacrifice and do something to stop them.

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ww1 caused ww2, look into the Versay treaty. Germans were forced to pass under the yoke economically after ww1 and that caused the dissatisfaction that allowed Hitler to be voted to power. he then blamed all problems on 1 religious group and we all know how that went.

but the main point is that Hitler attacked and there by forced the Russians, Brits, Americans to team up to defend against them and defeat them.

while Syria, Iraq, Somalia, Libya, Niger, Yemen, DRC etc never attacked the US. there is a big difference between forming a defensive coalition and building an offensive coalition like nato is now in many of those places. even Afghanistan never attacked the US, it was Saudi citizens mainly responsible for 911. so i don't buy that justification for raping and pillaging your way across the planet. the US has been the aggressor in all wars since ww2. meaning that, in none of those wars, was the US mainland ever attacked. hence no self defense justification for all those war exist in international law.

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ISIS given ‘breathing space’ in parts of Syria under US-backed forces' control

Published time: 18 Aug, 2018 02:29

https://www.rt.com/news/436251-isis-...g-space-syria/

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Islamic State managed to regain access to Syrian oil fields and make profits from selling oil, a new UN report reveals. While the UN did not point fingers, the IS reemergence seems to occur in areas held by the US-backed forces.
“Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant [IS, formerly ISIL/ISIS], having been defeated militarily in Iraq and most of the Syrian Arab Republic during 2017, rallied in early 2018. This was the result of a loss of momentum by forces fighting it in the east of the Syrian Arab Republic,” the recent report from the UN Security Council’s Sanctions Monitoring Team reads. The document is dated July 27, but was only released to the public this week.

The slow-down gave IS “breathing space to prepare for the next phase of its evolution into a global covert network.” As of June 2018, the terrorist group has been controlling “small pockets of territory in the Syrian Arab Republic on the Iraqi border,” effectively carrying on with its quasi-state ways.

“[IS] was able to extract and sell some oil, and to mount attacks, including across the border into Iraq,” the reports stated, adding that the terrorist group regained “access to some oil fields in northeastern” Syria.

While the report did not specify which forces exactly were having troubles with “momentum,” northeastern Syria is located on the left bank of the Euphrates river, controlled by the so-called Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) militia backed by the US-led coalition.

Regaining control of the oil fields allowed IS to yet again make oil profits a significant source of revenue. The report also vaguely stated that IS continues to impose “taxes” on civilians “in areas it controls, as well as in contested areas,” as well as to kidnap local businessmen for ransom.

Apart from strengthening of IS-held “pockets” in northeastern Syria, the report also listed a number of hotspots in Syria, which might be sources of further IS reemergence. Among them, the UN named the Rukban refugee camp, located near the Al-Tanf US military base. Other IS-infested places listed in the report include unspecified locations in the Aleppo province and an area controlled by an IS-affiliated group in the Deraa province. The latter, however, was already eradicated late in July during the Syrian Army offensive in the south-west of the country.

The issue of the Rukban refugee camp has been repeatedly raised by Moscow and Damascus, who repeatedly urged the US to cooperate. Earlier in August, Colonel General Sergey Rudskoy, the head of operations of the Russian General Staff, described Rukban as place where “people are living in harsh conditions and where terrorists find shelter.”

“Our American partners should provide humanitarian access to Rukban as soon as possible, provide passage for the refugees to their home areas and withdraw the base from Al-Tanf,” Rudskoy stated.
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it looks very much like Trump is planning a long term occupation of northern Syria. the base numbers are increasing and the bases are being expanded in size and made more permanent. weapons shipments to the Kurds are going ahead at a fast rate, at the same time money tagged for rebuilding all the stuff they destroyed has been taken back by Trump. really sad that Trump isn't keeping his word on getting the hell out of Syria, the war would be over by now if the US had left when Trump said he wanted to. but instead more Syrians have to die, more families have to lose loved ones and more innocents will be killed by accident ba every single side.


Syria - Pentagon Plants High ISIS Numbers To Justify Occupation


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August 17, 2018 "Information Clearing House" - The U.S. aim in Syria is still 'regime change'. The Pentagon has made it clear that it wants to stay in the country even after the Islamic State vanished. A little propaganda trick is now used to create a justification for its continuing occupation.

The report by the UN Security Council's Sanctions Monitoring Team on ISIS, in parts discussed here, includes a number that smells of bullshit and manipulation:

3. Some Member States estimate the total current ISIL membership in Iraq and the Syrian Arab Republic to be between 20,000 and 30,000 individuals, roughly equally distributed between the two countries. Among these is still a significant component of the many thousands of active foreign terrorist fighters.2
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2 Member State information.
The high number given by a "Member State" exceed all prior assessments. The original strength of ISIS was estimated as a few thousand and it swelled as it took more land and incorporated local auxiliary forces and newly arriving foreign fighters. In September 2014, when ISIS was near its peak, the CIA estimated a total of 31,000 ISIS fighters in Syria and Iraq. The number shrank as ISIS was kicked out of more places it earlier occupied while it lost ten thousands of its fighters to Russian, Syrian, Iraqi and U.S. bombs, artillery and other military means. In July 2017 the commanding general of U.S. Special Forces said that 60 to 70,000 ISIS fighters had been killed.

The numbers in the UN Sanctions Monitor report simply make no logical sense. It is also contradicted by earlier estimates that put the number of current ISIS fighters in the low thousands. In December 2017 President Trump claimed that only "1,000 or so" fighters remained in Iraq and Syria. In a June 5 Pentagon press conference the spokesman was asked about the number of ISIS fighters left in Syria. He responded:

As far as the numbers, there's -- there's been some numbers thrown out there over the past few months. You've heard the previous spokesmen range from 1,000 to 3,000. You've seen a lot of subject matter experts say something like that. I have nothing to add to that. What I will say is one ISIS fighter is one too many, and that's what we're pursuing. We're pursuing their defeat.
But there must of course be a reason why "some Member States" would give the UN Monitor team such an absurdly high number.

The U.S. is justifying its occupation of north-east Syria by claiming to fight ISIS under the legal cover of two UN Security Council resolutions. Now, as ISIS in Syria has shrunk to a few dozens of fighters, that justification is wearing thin. It is immensely important for the Pentagon to present a high number, as ISIS is its only legal justification to stay in Syria. It is doubtful that Congress would agree to a prolonged occupation if ISIS vanished.

To publicize a high number the Pentagon used an old propaganda trick, fake "multi-sourcing".

This trick was extensively used in the run up to the war on Iraq. Scooter Libby, the chief of staff of Vice President Dick Cheney, would call up pliant journalists, Judith Miller of the New York Times comes to mind, and tell them about a "top secret" assessment that Iraq bought aluminum tubes to build centrifuges for Uranium enrichment. (Experts knew that Iraq bought these tubes to make military mortars.) But the New York Times printed the 'nuclear' nonsense on page one of its Sunday edition. A few hours later Dick Cheney and other Bush administration members appeared on the Sunday morning talk shows and confirmed the story they had planted.

The tale of the 'nuclear' aluminum tubes was then perceived to have come from two independent entities and sources, the New York Times, and Vice President Cheney and other members of the Bush administration. It was thus widely believed.

We now see a similar scheme. A dubious fact, coming from a single source, is depicted as being multi-sourced. Another pliant journalist, this time Liz Sly of the Washington Post, is used to spread the fake news:

The Islamic State may still have in excess of 30,000 fighters in Syria and Iraq and appears to have rebounded from some of its worst setbacks, according to two new reports that call into question whether the militants are as close to defeat as the U.S. military has suggested.
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The U.S. government report attributed its numbers to the Defense Department but acknowledged that such estimates “have varied sharply among sources and over time.” The report was delivered to Congress by the Lead Inspector General, an office created in 2013 to oversee the U.S. military’s operations overseas against the Islamic State. Quoting Defense Department officials, the report put the number of fighters in Iraq at between 15,500 and 17,100 and in Syria at 14,000.
The second report was written by the U.N. Analytical Support and Sanctions Monitoring Team, which monitors the impact of U.N. sanctions, and offered a similar figure. Quoting unnamed member states, it said there are believed to be between 20,000 and 30,000 Islamic State fighters across Iraq and Syria, divided roughly equally between the two countries.

The Lead Inspector General report (pdf) says:

The DoD estimated that 15,500 to 17,100 ISIS fighters remained in Iraq, although estimates of the numbers of ISIS fighters have varied sharply among sources and over time. ... 5
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[b]y the end of the [2nd] quarter, ISIS was estimated to still control about 5 percent of Syria and to have roughly 14,000 fighters in the country, although estimates of ISIS force strength vary greatly depending on the source. 38
The footnote gives as sources:

5 DoD response to DoD OIG request for information, 7/11/2018.
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38 DoD, response to DoD OIG request for information, 7/5/2018
The Inspector General is just repeating numbers the Department of Defense claims. A writeup on the IG report by AL-Monitor says that these numbers come from the Defense Intelligence Agency. It does not give any source for that claim.

The numbers in the UN Sanction Monitor team report are sourced to a "Member State" which is most likely the United States. It is the only one that operates against ISIS in Iraq and Syria. The numbers in its report are astonishing similar to the numbers the Department of Defense gave to the Lead Inspector General. Both reports were published in the same week.

It is extremely likely that these numbers comes from the very same source, the Defense Intelligence Agency or someone else in the Pentagon who pulled it from Secretary Mattis' ass. It is well known that Mattis wants the U.S. to stay in Syria as long as possible to eventually achieve regime change by 'diplomatic' pressure means:

In Syria, "We do not want to simply pull out before the diplomats have won the peace," Mattis said. "You win the fight, and then you win the peace.”
The Washington Post now sells these numbers, which contradict all numbers the Pentagon has previously given, as coming from "two new reports", when it is pretty obvious that they come from a single source.

Some Post readers will see it as 'confirmed' information even though it is likely a wild ass guestimate which is based more on Mattis' wishes and intent than on logical thought or analytical rigor.

The U.S. is expanding its military infrastructure and personal in Syria despite the ever shrinking ground ISIS holds:

[T]he last hours witnessed the entry of more than 250 trucks carrying weapons, equipment, armored vehicles and machinery to areas controlled by the Syria Democratic Forces, where these shipments came from the Syrian-Iraqi border and headed to the military bases of the United States and the western forces in several areas east of Euphrates River, and the entry of more arms shipments comes after entering large quantities of similar shipments to the same areas during the past days and weeks, in addition to expanding the Coalition’s military bases in the area.
It will only take days until the freshly planted, confirmed but fake ISIS number will be cited as justification for these moves.

The views expressed in this article are solely those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of Information Clearing House.

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