Fiddynut's indoor jungle

Rodehazrd said:

Hey guys
I'm loving my run of fish hydro only. I gave 4 oz per Gallon with some bushdoctor microbe at switch and 2oz per gallon at two weeks to both the 818 and 707.headbands. Both thrived. It grew a white hair on the surface of the soil till it dried some. Nothing else but humic acid in the watering. I've used 32 oz @$15 for the full cycle of flower. The tiger bloom bottle lasts a lot longer but this stuff seems safer I fried the 707 with the TB last time and I don't need the micronutrients bottle.
Picture day soon, cool temps starting to bring on some color so I'm hoping for that yellow and purple look with the frosty bulbs they make.
Pop looks like more rain for you in the news
Those legs may have to wait.
Rodehazrd

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Good afternoon Rodehazrd.
That fish hydro sounds like good stuff. If your plants love it it's got to be good. Sounds like you can use it sparingly as well. The humic acid is good stuff as well. Bits and pieces of things I've read about it helping make the food in the soil more available to the plants and what not. I don't mind the tiger bloom but I'm looking forward to using the PBP. I'm going to have to get use to using more product but if it keeps my plants happy than I'm glad to keep poring it on.

I hope to see some of the pics of your plants. Please be my guest if you want to post them here. If you post somewhere else let me know where so I can check them out. Love me some bud porn!

Yes I have to be carful who knows about my growing. Most just suspect and I don't confirm or deny when they ask. You have good rules. Only my bro, my dad and my wife have actually seen my setup. I'd have to really trust someone and have known them for a long time to even think about letting them see. If I do help any of my coworkers it will be help setting their equipment up at there house and not showing how my stuff is set up at mine. I wouldn't mind making some cash on the side once I'm pulling bigger harvests but would have to be very carful. I'd probably let someone I know very well get rid of it for me and not be greedy and make sure they got well compensated.

I have been inspecting the plants every couple days for balls and so far so good. The auto run I just did was the first where I didn't get any hermies and that gives me hope that I'm doing something right. Once I get a couple good runs with the photoperiod plants I'll rest easer. Good to hear I've got some time to find them before they open and pollenate.

I hope your week is off to a good start and your weekend was good. You putting any weight on? I hope you are well and your plants are happy...Fiddy.

Floridian said:

Fiddy keep the plants happy and don't sweat it,personally I think that probably 90% of plants that go hermie are genetic herms,environmental herms happen but IMO not nearly as often and you really have to do some funky light maneuvers to make it occur.I've never bought into the rest of the environment causing hermies,only light variation although I could be mistaken.I remember some stuff on OG where people were tring to create hermies from genetically stable strains and it wasn't so easy.I believe the cats name doing the experimenting was Smokinrav

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Good afternoon Floridian.
I may have had some bad luck with hermies on my first couple of grows. Was using fem seeds and making first and second grow mistakes and what not. I've been hearing great things about the bodhi seeds I'm using mow so hopefully my hermie issues are in the past. Just going to take a couple good experiences to wash the bad taste out of my mouth from the first couple grows. I'm paranoid that there is something about my environment that I'm missing that has caused it. Hopefully being diligent about checking the plants and learning how to keep them happy will bring success. We know that some of the elite clones that are used for today's popular genetics have some hermie in there genes. I know I don't have light leaks. I also know my timers are accurate and the only thing that would affect their light cycle would be power failure. We have lots of thunder storms and tornados and stuff in summer and I do lose power a couple times a year. Might have to get a generator for when the powers out. The outages usually only last 2-4 hours. Yep just have to keep learning and growing.
I hope you are having a great day...Fiddy.

Hey Fiddy,Bohdi is great and don't overlook Paradise seeds,my favorite.Everything I've grown from them has been top notch and there's only a few I haven't tried.I have had one experience of herms from bought seed and that was from dutch passion.I had about three from bagseed when I started out which makes me think its almost always genetic not environmental.

i agree with floridian, most hermis are caused by poor genetics
i have been growing for decades and hvae only had two instances of hermaphroditic plants
one was just bad luck, ( it happens) and theother was a grow i did where i treated the plants like shit
/no water for days and inconsistent light schedules, i was really bad off and its a wonder that they even survived

you are using regular seeds this time around, no?
/i tihnk wiht stable genetics your chances go way down
i can understand your apprehensions but think this run will turn out fine

yeah rhode, it looks like rain is coming in the next couple days

and like you,i totally hold my cards close to the vest when it comes to growing
it funny because so much has changed since i first popped seed
i have a medicinal card and live in a "legal"state, but old habits are hard to change
out side of family only two people know i am growing
thats why i have so much fun talking wiht you guys here

Hey guys
Im holding my own at 160 Fiddy thanks for asking.
thought I would try to throw up a couple of my new girls.
CC818s If i can get the pix up thats Darcus on the left and Earline on the right. 34 days since switch they showed at about 10 days. in 3 gal budrunner mix.
Rodehazrd

Floridian said:

Hey Fiddy,Bohdi is great and don't overlook Paradise seeds,my favorite.Everything I've grown from them has been top notch and there's only a few I haven't tried.I have had one experience of herms from bought seed and that was from dutch passion.I had about three from bagseed when I started out which makes me think its almost always genetic not environmental.

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Good morning Floridian.
Thanks for the recommendation. I'll check out paradise seeds. I love variety and don't want to get locked into just growing the same stuff all the time.

pop_rocks said:

i agree with floridian, most hermis are caused by poor genetics
i have been growing for decades and hvae only had two instances of hermaphroditic plants
one was just bad luck, ( it happens) and theother was a grow i did where i treated the plants like shit
/no water for days and inconsistent light schedules, i was really bad off and its a wonder that they even survived

you are using regular seeds this time around, no?
/i tihnk wiht stable genetics your chances go way down
i can understand your apprehensions but think this run will turn out fine

yeah rhode, it looks like rain is coming in the next couple days

and like you,i totally hold my cards close to the vest when it comes to growing
it funny because so much has changed since i first popped seed
i have a medicinal card and live in a "legal"state, but old habits are hard to change
out side of family only two people know i am growing
thats why i have so much fun talking wiht you guys here

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Good morning pop_rocks.
Ok I'll stop worrying so much about hermies hahaha. I'm still going to be diligent and checking for them. Just need to have a couple harvests without and I'll be satisfied that I'm staring to do things right.
The test where people have tried to get stable plants to hermie sounds like fun. Not for the plants but for the growers and especially the breeders whose strains are so good that you can't make them hermie.

Yes using reg seeds this run (and probably from now on). After learning how to sex by pre flowers on this run I'm pretty comfortable doing it this way going forward. I did learn it can take a few weeks so I need to do an extra transplant next time. My plants seem to grow crazy roots and get rootbound quickly. I'm thinking about a 3 transplant schedule on the next run. Start in 4" pots then move to 6" then 10" and finally after sexing into the 14" that hold 5+ gallons. That would have me transplanting about every 10-12 days.

Speaking of the next run I have to decide what beans to pop next within a week or so. I have a couple more bodhi packs and a gorilla bubble from tony green. I have a few packs of freebies and testers too that I want to research. I'll post up what I have and maybe we can take a vote on which I should run next. That sounds like fun to me.

You are smart to keep your grows on the down low pop. Just because you don't have to worry about the cops showing up doesn't mean rippers can't show up and cause trouble. There is really nothing to gain and everything to loose showing off. I'm proud of what I've learned and that I can grow some decent plants. Showing them off on line to you guys feels good, as does seeing the look when my bro or dad comes over and sees them. People are amazed at how beautiful these plants are. No need to let anyone else know anything about them.

Rodehazrd said:

Hey guys
Im holding my own at 160 Fiddy thanks for asking.
thought I would try to throw up a couple of my new girls.
CC818s If i can get the pix up thats Darcus on the left and Earline on the right. 34 days since switch they showed at about 10 days. in 3 gal budrunner mix.
Rodehazrd

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Good morning Rodehazrd.
Glad you are feeling better.
Your girls look like they are stacking some nice golf balls. Looking really nice. How do they smell?
My LW's are starting to give off that BO and vomit smell at 19 days and lots of sour lemon if I give them a rub.
Thanks for sharing brother.

Hey Fiddy no matter how good your eyes are,get yourself a good magnifying glass when judging a plants sex in veg.After you've done it for awhile you wont have to wait and actually see pistils or balls,you'll be able to determine them by the different structures they emerge from.Female is a teardrop or cone shape and is smooth,male is a rounder or claw shape and is coarser

Floridian said:

Hey Fiddy no matter how good your eyes are,get yourself a good magnifying glass when judging a plants sex in veg.After you've done it for awhile you wont have to wait and actually see pistils or balls,you'll be able to determine them by the different structures they emerge from.Female is a teardrop or cone shape and is smooth,male is a rounder or claw shape and is coarser

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Good morning Floridian.
My eyes aren't great but I refuse to get glasses. Eye doc told me I could use some over 20 years ago but I keep resisting.
I do however have a 3x glass and a 10x loupe that I used on this run. I'm sure it will take me a few runs to get really good at spotting sex. I made some guesses on this run and then waited for pistils and the guesses were right. Only one of my plants gave me a challenge and it turned out to be a late showing male. I have a 30x scope that I use to eavesdrop on my trichomes but it's so hard to hold it still that the 10x seems to work better for sexing for me.

I like your descriptions of the pre flowers. I've done a lot of reading and looking at pics and whatnot and you describe very well. Especially "rounder or claw shape and is coarser". Maybe a little color difference between girls and boys as well. Do you notice that as well?

Thank you for sharing some wisdom with me. I need all the help I can get...Fiddy.

those look great rhode'!
what is the large metal structure you ahev the trellis hanging from?
is this something you put together yourself?

yes, im sure you are being extra cautious right now but you will not worry so much after a few nannerless grows
its funny you mention people inducing hermaphrodites
ive heard you can use a chemical solution to induce a female plant to grown male parts, but i believe that a good male is half the magic of breeding

keep watching your plants and esp take a good look at the ones you think are males
after a while you will jsut get a feel for what you are looking at
it never hurts to give them an extra week or so just to be sure, ut mayeb one day you will be pressed for space or not ahve a chance to visit as often
thats when a practiced eye will come in handy

it sounds like you have some nice seed there, i dont see how you can go wrong with those choices!
cant wait to hear which you decide

pop_rocks said:

those look great rhode'!
what is the large metal structure you ahev the trellis hanging from?
is this something you put together yourself?

yes, im sure you are being extra cautious right now but you will not worry so much after a few nannerless grows
its funny you mention people inducing hermaphrodites
ive heard you can use a chemical solution to induce a female plant to grown male parts, but i believe that a good male is half the magic of breeding

keep watching your plants and esp take a good look at the ones you think are males
after a while you will jsut get a feel for what you are looking at
it never hurts to give them an extra week or so just to be sure, ut mayeb one day you will be pressed for space or not ahve a chance to visit as often
thats when a practiced eye will come in handy

it sounds like you have some nice seed there, i dont see how you can go wrong with those choices!
cant wait to hear which you decide

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Good afternoon pop_rocks.
Yep if I have a couple nice harvests I'll be satisfied that the hermies aren't caused by something I'm doing or the environment I'm providing. Even once that happens I want to be alert and watchful. It's starting to get hard to see anything at the nodes because my girls are so bushy and there are buds setting in all over the place. All those pistils are obscuring a clear view of the nodes. So far so good. I'll know in a few weeks for sure.

I've done a lot of reading about hermies and there is a product called reverse (I think) that you can spray on a female plant that is starting to hermie and it apparently works to reverse that and make it stop throwing nanners. I don't know what is in it and don't how well it works. I hesitate to spray anything on my plants so I haven't investigated further. Just find a stable strain and grow that seems like the right approach.

I've also read about how to make female plants produce male parts and that is how they make fem seeds. The old fashioned way was to spray colloidal silver on the girls and they will herm on you and throw pollen. The way most seem to do it these days is with a mixture called STS. It's a mixture of water, silver nitrate, and sodium thiosulfate. Spray on the girl as buds set and you get nanners with feminized pollen.

I'm with you pop on a good male being 1/2 the magic and an important part of reproduction. When we learn in biology about reproduction there are many reasons why getting half of your genes from each parent are beneficial. Genetic diversity means stronger genes from what I remember. That is one of the reasons people and other animals shouldn't inbreed. Not sure about plants but I'd think the same principals hold true.

I'm finding 4 girls in flower really is maxing my space and I think 3 might be more comfortable so I might just start popping 6 seeds from now on. That will give more space to watch them longer. I think a few grows from now I'll be spotting them with ease.

For the first day in a long time I slept past lights out and were not able to get a look at the girls this morning. I flushed the runt (LW #4) last night and I'm getting really interested in what is going on with her. She didn't stretch at all but looks pretty good and is forming buds like the rest of them. Not sure but I've heard of rare "no stretch" pheno's of other strains. She might be one of those that don't yield much but the smoke might be killer. So far this is the weirdest thing I've seen any of my plants do (in my short time of growing). I'll get a few pics of her and post them with her measurements compared to the others and we can discuss.

I still have to look at what the other strains I have and I'll do some research on them and post what I find. Gotta get popping in a week or so to keep the tents packed.

So the weekend is almost here again. You got any thing exciting planned? Anything interisting on the menu? The first motogp race of the season is this weekend and I'm really looking forward to seeing the bikes get back to racing. I think I'm way overdue to smoke some st. Louis ribs so I'll probably be doing those up on Sunday.

I hope your week went well and your plants are happy and healthy...Fiddy.

pop_rocks said:

those look great rhode'!
what is the large metal structure you ahev the trellis hanging from?
is this something you put together yourself?

yes, im sure you are being extra cautious right now but you will not worry so much after a few nannerless grows
its funny you mention people inducing hermaphrodites
ive heard you can use a chemical solution to induce a female plant to grown male parts, but i believe that a good male is half the magic of breeding

keep watching your plants and esp take a good look at the ones you think are males
after a while you will jsut get a feel for what you are looking at
it never hurts to give them an extra week or so just to be sure, ut mayeb one day you will be pressed for space or not ahve a chance to visit as often
thats when a practiced eye will come in handy

it sounds like you have some nice seed there, i dont see how you can go wrong with those choices!
cant wait to hear which you decide

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Pop
That's an old rolling clothes rack. It has a plastic shelf on bottom for shoes just fits 3 3 gal pots. I s stretch the string on one side and pull all the buds through as they stretch then I park them around the edges of my room for a stadium effect. Water from the back and rolls away to get to girls in the center. We bought too many and .....
Rodehazrd

Ps I clamp cfls on the top bar and sides for veg

Hey guys
Let me tell you a question .
I'm confused about my stems. Sometimes I get purple stems and racing stripes they grow out of it and seem ok but some times I get a vigorous non striped girl from the same cuttings. 707s go totally red stem 818s just striped. Am I overfed? Tips on leaves point up and aren't burnt. Deep green and otherwise happy. Maybe it's normal but why is it intermittent.
Rodehazrd

Rodehazrd said:

Hey guys
Let me tell you a question .
I'm confused about my stems. Sometimes I get purple stems and racing stripes they grow out of it and seem ok but some times I get a vigorous non striped girl from the same cuttings. 707s go totally red stem 818s just striped. Am I overfed? Tips on leaves point up and aren't burnt. Deep green and otherwise happy. Maybe it's normal but why is it intermittent.
Rodehazrd

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Good morning Rodehazrd.
I'll give you my thoughts on red stems from what I've read about them. Lots of conflicting info on red stems on various forums. I've read bits and pieces but have no actual understanding so take my advise with a grain of salt.

Some strains seem more likely to have read stems than others. Many times I've read that red stems can be caused by deficiency or general under feeding. The fact that they all come from one mom means that they should be the same genetically. So that rules out some having them due to being different strains. That leaves possible deficiency or under feeding. Not sure if that is the case with your girls. Maybe you can try a slight increase in nutes.

On the other hand some people believe that red stems are a sign of healthy plants.

I wish I was more knowledgeable about this. Not sure if I'm being any help here but that is what I remember reading in the threads I've come across.

Yea if they weren't from the same mom I would definitely say it's genetics,it could be a phosphorous defiency though.A good way to tell most defeciencies is they start at the bottom and work their way up.If its red or purple from the start its most likely not a defeciency

Update and pics

Update and pics

Greetings friends.
It's time for a weekly update and some pics of the girls. LW's 1-3 got their first feed with PBP bloom this morning and boy were they thirsty. They also got a super low dose of grow big for nitro since they are still stretching and they got cal/mag too. 3 galons of RO water + 45ml PBP + 15ml cal/mag + 5ml grow big + pH up to mid 6's. They drank almost a gallon per plant.

They look healthy and are really starting to bud up. It's getting really crowded in the tent.
Here is a group shot of them.


Now for some solo pics. Sorry about the lighting in these pics. I took them right outside the tent door and the HPS makes them look all yellow. They look much greener in natural light.
LW#1

LW#2

LW#3


The HPS bulb is hotter than the MH bulb and temps are up a couple degrees to 74-76 lights on and 68-70 lights off. Humidity is low to mid 40's.

The early bud formation seems to be going very well. Today is day 20 of 12/12. They are getting big and have just about doubled in size since the flip. #1 is 37-1/2" tall #2 & 3 are 34" tall. Hopefully they won't grow more than another few inches. I'm thinking now they will put their energy into bud production.

All seems to be going well on this grow so far. I hope they stay happy and healthy. I'm drooling to see what they are going to smoke like. Thats it for the update this week. I hope everyone is doing good and all set for a great weekend....Fiddy.

And then there's this.

And then there's this.

Greetings friends.
Let's talk about LW#4 for a bit. This girl is very odd. She had a little deficiency probably from some kind of lockout right before I transplanted her. Her new growth has looked good since repotting and still looks nice and green. I took off 4 fan leaves that were kind of messed up from the deficiency. That was just before repotting which was about a week before flipping to 12/12.

She was right with the other 3 plants hight wise right up to a couple weeks before the flip to 12/12. She was one of the first to show sex. She has not stretched like the other girls at all. She has only grown about 7" in the 20 days since flip. The others have put on about 18" and are still going. At the time of flip she was 14" tall and now she is 21" tall. Her sister LW#1 is 37-1/2" tall. She is in the same soil as the others. She had had the same nutes and water in veg. She doesn't drink much either. She was flushed a couple days ago and hadn't been watered for 6 days before that.

I'm sure she was stunted from the stress but she looks healthy and just haven't taken off again. Not sure what's going on with her. Very strange.
Here is a pic of her under the shop light.


Here is a couple of her in some natural sun light. Say hi to Rufus.


Even though she is not growing much she is still developing buds just like the other 3 girls. As long as she keeps budding I'll keep the faith and keep giving her love.
Here is a couple pics of her budsites and how close the nodes are.


I doubt she will be a good yielder but maybe she will make up for that with some extra tasty buds. Maybe stress will douse her to be more potent. I guess I'll know in a few weeks.

So anyone ever have a plant that grew so differently than the others from the same pack of seeds? If so how did she end up compared with the others?

I have had plants out of the same pack look really differently,just different pheno's.I think very stable strains with little variance are called homogenous or something like that.Anyway,no real way to tell if it'll be better or worse than the others from the size.Sounds like it may have an undeveloped root system compared to the others,6 days is a bit of a long time for a plant to be without hydration I think.Were the others dry like that for that long?Anyway looks real good man,I wouldn't feed more grow big after this though,they should get by fine in the N in PBP bloom.Thats good you fed them some N during the stretch

Fiddynut said:

Greetings friends.
Let's talk about LW#4 for a bit. This girl is very odd. She had a little deficiency probably from some kind of lockout right before I transplanted her. Her new growth has looked good since repotting and still looks nice and green. I took off 4 fan leaves that were kind of messed up from the deficiency. That was just before repotting which was about a week before flipping to 12/12.

She was right with the other 3 plants hight wise right up to a couple weeks before the flip to 12/12. She was one of the first to show sex. She has not stretched like the other girls at all. She has only grown about 7" in the 20 days since flip. The others have put on about 18" and are still going. At the time of flip she was 14" tall and now she is 21" tall. Her sister LW#1 is 37-1/2" tall. She is in the same soil as the others. She had had the same nutes and water in veg. She doesn't drink much either. She was flushed a couple days ago and hadn't been watered for 6 days before that.

I'm sure she was stunted from the stress but she looks healthy and just haven't taken off again. Not sure what's going on with her. Very strange.
Here is a pic of her under the shop light.
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Here is a couple of her in some natural sun light. Say hi to Rufus.
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Even though she is not growing much she is still developing buds just like the other 3 girls. As long as she keeps budding I'll keep the faith and keep giving her love.
Here is a couple pics of her budsites and how close the nodes are.
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I doubt she will be a good yielder but maybe she will make up for that with some extra tasty buds. Maybe stress will douse her to be more potent. I guess I'll know in a few weeks.

So anyone ever have a plant that grew so differently than the others from the same pack of seeds? If so how did she end up compared with the others?

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Yeah me too
I had two totally different desert diesel. Ak47 I had three from tall skinny to bushy.
Now 818 homogenous mostly some.tighter some more lanky but very subtle difference.
The 707 only stretch 50% or less but they are close nodes and I get about 60 g from a 22 in girl that e ends up at 32 in
Rodehazrd