Preserving St. Vincent genetics

romanoweed said:

i think its rather an old line. With alot of fire. As much fire to not think of Hybridisation really. hahah
OF COURSE just think, not claim

How you can know it was Hybredized by look?

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i judge: it is like an old Line, and how would be your trippyness Rating?

Is it like oldschool uplifting tripweed?

Or is it there more like a hybrid "confusion" in the Flash as i love to call it. Does it feel like has a great "directivity" of a Landrace? This one Thing gooing on four the whole Time? Like a Landrace would doo?

In my oppinion Wide Leaves are a very uncompleete way to judge a Flash of a Plant.
I use something more, and it tells me this Line is way better than JamaicanBluemountain Cannabiogen with its roundabout "thinner" Leaves.

Have you prooven thin leaves is only way to judge Authenticity trough a smoke Test? I dont wanna claim it, but i say this one has fire. And is way more interesting than any 2010 JamaicanBluemountain.

Cause it appers oldschool .

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Hey, and i may do things i doo seriously, but i dont wanna tell you what to doo. Do what you want with it.

I just blablaed what i had to blabala, and it is, that: A: this Line has old vibe: B: youre loosing that Thing that defines it, that nearly spiritual experience so easily by selecting even a slight bit thowards the fat leaves. What you gain in therms of Floweringtime/is equal to what you loose kind of. One Week less means one Facette of Bliss less.. Possibly same with hermies. If youre line shows so many Hermies, the heightened attractivity of growing pure bud compared to Hermie bud is equal to how you downgraded vigor by heavy selection.
I mean this is overally said, for all Peoples Taste. You may have high priority that its seedless Bud, so the Compromiss might be beneficial for you to make.

But i think you might miss that something(vigor) (uplifting effect) the day you reached your goal partly.. Even you like the Result better (overally said). But it does not go undetected pretty often. And you may miss that little Detail, that slight upbreeze, that something. Even you you find it overall more cool result.

Also you cant really go back once you breed thowards it (i mean you can reintroduce unselected open poll.). So, if you want the same feel again, you cant select thowards one single direction. You might not be able to hold vigor upright when deherming UNLESS youre absolute professional Breeder, I mean like Godbreeder.

I see the Vigor im convinced. Look at how straight the Leaves are, no fuzzy , no Wavy shapes, no pale green color, but a deep Fresh Apple Green , like it would be illustrated in a Advertisement. Kitchy.
Thats what you might loose .. And my Tips are Way to not loose it, and its FULLY your thing, do whatever you like, your plant your Taste. Just know, you cant go back.

And know what to watch for: Spiritual side /uphigh . Vigorous Look.

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Felice said:

Smoking it was quite a while ago, but it was very different to everything that I have smoked so far, as I describe in my intitial post in this thread.
It was highly psychactive and stimulating, and did not let me sleep. Still even though almost overwhelmingly strong (prone to paranoia), it was clear somehow and not confusing / debilitating. Therefore I have my difficulties rating it in terms of trippyness - psychedelic definitely yes, trippy, as so clear and functional, probably not. But I guess that depends on definition and personal perception.



Cheers
Felice

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Felice said:

Hello everyone,

Already posted a question in the ACE seeds sub-area, but I guess this is a better “real” first post ?

I would like to let you participate in my little project here, trying to preserve a Caribbean landrace, supposedly from the island of St. Vincent.


Some story around:
Years back I was on vacation with my parents, brother and girlfriend on an island called Bequia. A small place, almost nothing happens here, somewhere in the Caribbean. At the beach I met a very kind man, laidback vibes, that had this great spicy smelling sativa bud “growing in the mountains of St. Vincent”, as he said. The high was very strong, psychoactive but still very clear somehow. Completely different to all that I was used to (grew some strains over the years, but mostly outdoors central Europe, so not too much experience with tropical sativas yet). This time was the first and only time I actually smoked with my father. He still keeps telling his friends about this evening “…and suddenly I saw everything clear, as clear as never…” ahah :-D

Anyways, the weed was seeded so I took home around 10 seeds. Having moved to Southern Europe in the meantime, I was quite active in balcony growing.


Only 2 seeds popped, but grew with incredible vigor, I had to cut them over and over again to keep them at bay, but in the end, I decided to just keep 1 (both seemed female at that point - lots of airy leafy buds). I think they did not like the excessive topping, and the remaining plant started showing more and more bananas. I tried to take them, but as the plant did not seem to finish anyways, I might have lost motivation… – and harvested a handful of seeds just before Christmas.

Now, I somehow got ambitious to get into breeding, and wanted to start this by trying to create a stable landrace seed line out of these hermie seeds. I know the chances are not great, but I also see it as an opportunity to test my new indoor equipment before I get on with other breeding projects.


Anyways, on 21/01/21 I put 35 seeds to germinate, and on 24/01/21 another 10 seeds
By 27/01/21 I had 30 sprouts in individual 0.25l containers under 11/13 LED sun. Probably I would get a few more sprouts if waited some days longer, but 30 I decided was a good batch to start with, and space-wise anyways the maximum.

Day 4 (30/01/21) – inventory: seems like 3 phenotypes: 13x lanky and thin leaves; 14x medium and thin l.; 3x robust and wide leaves; overall most plants with green stem, some with darker reddish stem. See first picture.

Day 11 (06/02/21) – 1st update: separated the plants by 4 types, but the more I think about it, I guess #3 and #4 are probably the same phenotype:

- 3x #1 most indica structure, wide leaves: 1x dark stem, 2x thicker stem
- 4x #2 medium indica-sativa structure: 2x dark stem, 1x thicker stem
- 11x #3 sativa structure: 3x dark stem, 2x thicker stem
- 12x #4 most sativa structure: 3x dark stem, 1x thicker stem

The coloration of stems and leave shape and also thickness of stem seems to be relatively unrelated. There are more dark stems being thicker as greens, but e.g. the only “very thick stem” marker for now is on a fully green plant. Anyways, it’s just the start, I’m sure differences will become more apparent in the coming weeks.


I plan to keep them in the small pots as long as possible, c. 2 more weeks I guess, then do a first pre-selection, put the remaining 16-20 plants in bigger (still small) pots and hope to be able to find some sexually stable plants around week 5-6.

If all seem female I know what’s up… Then this report will end there. Fingers crossed ?


Have a nice Sunday,
Felice

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Felice said:

Girls, girls, girls....

Girls, girls, girls....

Hi guys,

it doesn't look too good, some of the plants already show white pistils, but now balls visible anywhere...

I will observe during this week, hopefully there is still a boy showing up somewhere.

Otherwise I will stop here, consider which strain is worthy to use as male pollen donor and restart at a later point in time (have enough of these seeds).
Right now I do not have suiting pollen / male plants at hand, and I do not want to proceed with a pure female(hermaphrodite) line.

Have a nice week,
Felice

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Felice said:

Hey Romano!



Smoking it was quite a while ago, but it was very different to everything that I have smoked so far, as I describe in my intitial post in this thread.
It was highly psychactive and stimulating, and did not let me sleep. Still even though almost overwhelmingly strong (prone to paranoia), it was clear somehow and not confusing / debilitating. Therefore I have my difficulties rating it in terms of trippyness - psychedelic definitely yes, trippy, as so clear and functional, probably not. But I guess that depends on definition and personal perception.

My only experience with landraces was Thai-stick, which I tried in Amsterdam around 12 years ago. That was definitely very trippy, but also much more dense in effect and much less clear. It was like a movie, my friends and me stumbling across the city not really getting anything. After come down we also barely remembered what happened in the previous hours. The Caribbean was definitely very different, much much clearer.





I was not planning to select towards flowering time or a specific leaf type. I just wanted to recreate the Caribbean vibes from back then. Given my personal growing limitations I simply cannot work with hermies, at it would harm all my other projects - which FOR ME is not worth it.

I will definitely get back to this line, and will, as we have already discussed, do so by introducing some male central/south american Sativa. First I need to gain some experience on these type of plants to decide which one comes close and might be a good fit.

About this line, and your points of not going for the WLD plants: Interestingly the wide leaf ones, that initially were rather squat, displayed the highest stretch and biggest internodal gaps from week 3 onwards. They were almost all among the tallest plants now, when culling them.

Also, who says that the weed that I smoked in the Caribbean was a NLD plant? It was dry bud, I definitely couldn't say from what type of plant this bud came from

When I restart I will give ALL plant types a chance, except the very hermie ones, for the just mentioned reasons ;-)

Cheers
Felice

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