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Old 04-21-2018, 08:53 PM #231
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Subject= Growers becoming part of the community .With all the changing laws regarding cannabis cultivation in Cali. one thing stands out in my mind, that is how farmers moving into newly opened up counties, such as Calaveras county, while trying to put put a good image of community outreach with $ donations to schools and others, do not seem to be interested in community meetings unless cannabis is on the agenda. At a local potluck [ not that kind of pot] to discuss the community, not one grower attended as marijuana was not on the agenda.
This just enforces the image that big weed only cares about the bottom line, not community. Growers that moved into the county 2 years ago did not integrate into the area very well and now the grow ban is in place.
There is nothing wrong with like minded folks getting together for some smoke, reggae and rally the troops but you people may want to join in on the non-cannabis related community
events also. Just one locals perspective for what it's worth [2 cents]
P.S. The grow ban is in place but the fight goes on. Growers still have hope for the future of commercial cannabis in Calaveras county
this is only partially true. I agree that's the truth for 90% of the permitted licensed farms and for probably 99% for the unregulated ones. However, about 10% of the farms between 50-75 are very active in their community in noncannabis issues and more active then the average business owner in that community. Not all cannabis owners are 30 year old white men with beards and long hair reeking of Ganja so u can't be sure when a cannabis person is in a organization or meeting because they don't always look the same. I know farmers in very respectable positions in organizations all over the county but u wouldn't know they grew cannabis unless they told you.
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The banners from other districts outside district 2 that were running the recall campaign on Jack gharamendi of the board of supervisors for his stance on being pro cannabis regulation have FAILED!! They did not gather enough signatures, they needed like 1300+ by a couple days ago but they didn't get enough so he will not be up for recall in June!

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Calaveras chronicles #45= This whole thing started with Calaveras county has screwed over registered growers. It seems they have done it the the growers 2X now with the ban in place. That's another example of how government big or small continues to stick it to the people. Growers still hold out hope for reinstatement with a new supervisors election in June. Most people are sick of all the big marijuana stuff, feeling that 6 plants is plenty for one person.
The mom and pop high quality, hand trimmed, organic bud growing operations are becoming a thing of the past in the age of $500.00 per pound wholesale prices.
The chinese grow house scene is still giving cops something to do with a 5000 plant grow going down last week.
Guys are finishing their last legal light dep. crops here now before the actual ban date in June.
High volume trim machines crank out enough volume of buds that it is not feasible to pay hand trimmers $175.00-$200 lb. with low dispensary prices. It seems the people who are getting a decent (1500. lb.) price are shipping out of state. Either high risk driving cross country or 5 pound packages through the mail.
I visited the big grow store in town again. They still have very well stocked shelves ( I have never seen so many brands of fertilizer), parking lot is overflowing with pallets of premium soil. Everything a farmer would need and then some. The only thing missing was customers. One young 20ish farmer guy was looking for advice from the clueless counter help. It always surprises me when a stranger whips out their phone and openly shows pictures to someone they have never met before showing hundreds of spindly 5 foot tall plants. Said he spent 1 1/2 hours a day moving plants inside and outside and they were not sexed yet. He was looking for advice on how to transition plants to outdoors full time after starting them under 18 hour light in February for a full term outdoor grow. I gave him a few tips for this years crop and told him next year start plants March 1st under 12 hours light and bump up light 15 minutes every 2 weeks . It seems despite the ban some people are proceeding with huge operations.
It is tough to hide a few hundred plants from airplanes and satellites.
Many new FOR SALE signs have been going up on sites that had farms last year and it is a buyers market now since many parcels were over priced when the influx of new growers hit in 2016.
P.S. Despite the weirdness with the weed scene up here, it sure beats the heck out of the bay area ( the pit of despair )
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Calaveras chronicles #46= June 6, One day ahead of the date for the ban on commercial growing in Calaveras county. A helicopter got my attention this morning. It flew right by and did a couple of circles around sites that had big registered farms last year. No mistaking why a helicopter is doing tight banking turns above a farm.Smile you're on candid camera.It is a good feeling when the choppers don't slow down or circle over my place. But then it would be just wasted fuel. They are definitely keeping an eye on previously registered sites. The chopper was small and dark green, no markings, for anyone interested.
Lawsuits and legal wrangling continue as the county deals with multiple lawsuits from registered growers and their attorneys= scum dogs.
Land that had registered and unregistered growers is for sale in many locations . A lot of the land for sale is fire burnt land from 2015. It sold quickly for inflated prices in 2016 to new growers and was quite valuable as a grow site but has low real value to non-growers.
Bay Area money tends to make it's way up here especially for people retiring or Googleheads with excess $ . One million buys you a 3 bedroom fixer with neighbors 10 feet away in Mountain View.In Calaveras county One million buys a incredible custom showpiece home on 100 acres with sierra and burnt forest views. Most Bay Area money does not want to be surrounded by pot farms. They prefer vineyards for neighbors.
Speaking of neighbors, most people I talk to are glad the ban is in place. The commercial marijuana experiment was poorly implemented and caused more problems than benefit.
The county government does miss the money. They are talking of raising tax $ on hotels for tourists which is a pittance compared to big weed fees.
The election yesterday doesn't seem like it will change anything.
The big mega-grow store seems to have far more employees than customers.

P.S. The high country sierras are just incredible, tourists are welcome, we have lots of good restaurants, wine tasting, live music and a couple of dispensaries are still open for business. Everyone is welcome
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I have heard a few reports of dark helicopters circling overhead of former 22,000 square foot grows. Have yet to hear of them flying over anything smaller yet. They only busted 80 farms last year with the sheriffs department and their are hundreds if not over a thousand of grows at or larger then 1/2 acre so that should keep them off the small people.

The election yesterday is going to change EVERYTHING. It is almost assured that we will have 3 or more pro regulation supervisors this coming January. Lets look at the election results

-District 1: Pro Ban Gary Toffinelli has the recall that needs to collect the signatures by June 28th. Not clear what will happen here.

District 2-Pro regulation Jack Gharamendi recall effort failed so he will remain in office.

District 3 Pro Regulation Meritta Callaway received 47% of the vote, likely to win in the fall. PRO REGULATION Oliveira came in 2nd with 29%. PRO BAN Ed Langen with 24% is out of the race.

District 4: Pro Ban Mills recall effort just turned in 2300 signatures looking to recall him, they only need 1555 for it to go to the fall ballot. Mills only had 1700 vote for him, so more people have now signed for him to be replaced meaning it is a high potential this will flip to become pro regulation in January.

District 5-Pro Ban Clapp is going to be replaced. He got elected in a recall effort and only had 33% vote for him last election. This time that dropped and he only had 31.5%. PRO REGULATION Ben stopper Received 32.5% and will face off with Clapp in the fall. Clapp has not chance. The third place went to HIGHLY PRO REGULATION Bruce Guidici with 29%. 9% went to Gustafensen in 4th who never commented on cannabis.

Sheriffs Office: Lukewarm/Pro Regulation Rick Basillio got 49% of the vote. Pro Regulation Pat Garrahan got 22%, and PRO BAN Gary stevens got 29%.

This very clearly shows that the banners represent a loud minority in the county of between 25% and 33% of the population depending on which district you are in. THeir is about an equal number of hardcore cannabis supporters with the rest of the people in the middle, likely preferring some sort of compromise.

I have been meeting Many people moving out here from the Bay, all types of people from Liberals-conservatives-libertarians-Socialists but I have yet to meet one that believes Prohibition of cannabis is the best strategy. I agree they dont want cannabis farms surrounding them, but most of the farms are illegal anyway so from my conversations people would be fine with a few hundred farms in the county if they were regulated and OUTSIDE residential areas on larger parcels.. As more people move here from the Bay the numbers of voters who would like some amount of cannabis to be regulated and taxed to pay for the eradication of illegal grows is only going to increase.

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I have heard a few reports of dark helicopters circling overhead of former 22,000 square foot grows. Have yet to hear of them flying over anything smaller yet. They only busted 80 farms last year with the sheriffs department and their are hundreds if not over a thousand of grows at or larger then 1/2 acre so that should keep them off the small people.

The election yesterday is going to change EVERYTHING. It is almost assured that we will have 3 or more pro regulation supervisors this coming January. Lets look at the election results

-District 1: Pro Ban Gary Toffinelli has the recall that needs to collect the signatures by June 28th. Not clear what will happen here.

District 2-Pro regulation Jack Gharamendi recall effort failed so he will remain in office.

District 3 Pro Regulation Meritta Callaway received 47% of the vote, likely to win in the fall. PRO REGULATION Oliveira came in 2nd with 29%. PRO BAN Ed Langen with 24% is out of the race.

District 4: Pro Ban Mills recall effort just turned in 2300 signatures looking to recall him, they only need 1555 for it to go to the fall ballot. Mills only had 1700 vote for him, so more people have now signed for him to be replaced meaning it is a high potential this will flip to become pro regulation in January.

District 5-Pro Ban Clapp is going to be replaced. He got elected in a recall effort and only had 33% vote for him last election. This time that dropped and he only had 31.5%. PRO REGULATION Ben stopper Received 32.5% and will face off with Clapp in the fall. Clapp has not chance. The third place went to HIGHLY PRO REGULATION Bruce Guidici with 29%. 9% went to Gustafensen in 4th who never commented on cannabis.

Sheriffs Office: Lukewarm/Pro Regulation Rick Basillio got 49% of the vote. Pro Regulation Pat Garrahan got 22%, and PRO BAN Gary stevens got 29%.

This very clearly shows that the banners represent a loud minority in the county of between 25% and 33% of the population depending on which district you are in. THeir is about an equal number of hardcore cannabis supporters with the rest of the people in the middle, likely preferring some sort of compromise.

I have been meeting Many people moving out here from the Bay, all types of people from Liberals-conservatives-libertarians-Socialists but I have yet to meet one that believes Prohibition of cannabis is the best strategy. I agree they dont want cannabis farms surrounding them, but most of the farms are illegal anyway so from my conversations people would be fine with a few hundred farms in the county if they were regulated and OUTSIDE residential areas on larger parcels.. As more people move here from the Bay the numbers of voters who would like some amount of cannabis to be regulated and taxed to pay for the eradication of illegal grows is only going to increase.
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I'm just growing this year for my personal consumption..

As long as we're able to grow commercially next year I'll good on my money to keep going in 2019 and beyond.
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Helicopter update: I talked to a friend who was a registered grower. He told me that the same previously described marijuana helicopter has visited him twice this spring. His grow was under 10,000 square feet. He says the copter spends about half a minute hovering about 200 feet elevation. The cops are definitely going from one GPS coordinate to another of registered grows.Mt. Zion offers hope for previously registered growers future but even if legal growing is reinstated California seems to be killing any prospects for small operations to be competitive with the massive greenhouse and other mega - grows that I thought were supposed to be limited in size with regulations.
Here in Calaveras county the general consensus is the experiment was a colossal failure.
In the meantime growers have the potential to totally bankrupt one of the poorer counties in the state.
It is time to learn a trade in California besides pot farming. Have a backup plan to get by because the future of marijuana here is bleak at best for all but the big $ players.
P.S. Hell , even Melissa Ethridge bought 47 acres in the Santa Cruz mountains to farm on and market her hot flash haze.
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