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Old 08-16-2014, 04:33 PM #221
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Impressive field of Finola grow.....
Did you hand sow in lines, so you could get through the crop ?
This I am assuming, so you could take the male plants out early ?
At what time stage did the males show themselves after sowing ?
Did you fertilise/ feed at any point in the grow cycle?
Would be interesting to see more pictures when the buds have developed further..
Do the plants smell like hemp or more like the drug strain ?
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Old 08-16-2014, 05:24 PM #222
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^ The 'Donkey Dick' feno.



^ A medium 'branched' feno.




^ A very 'wide branching' feno, standing 2.50 mtr tall
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Old 08-16-2014, 05:49 PM #223
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Impressive field of Finola grow.....
Did you hand sow in lines, so you could get through the crop ? Yes. I'd call it: sowing in from the hip, lol, bit like feeding chickens, eheh.
There were 'mulched lanes' to walk over and tend to the plants, and seperate 'barren' lanes to sow in.
This I am assuming, so you could take the male plants out early ? Indeed. For that purpose I did not sow in the seeds more than about 30 cm wide, knowing that a 'full lane' of 80 cm wide and full of seed would be a hell of a job to go after males.
At what time stage did the males show themselves after sowing ? The first and smallest males would show their identitiy at 5 weeks after sowing in, the last and biggest males to identify themselves would show up 4 weeks later.
Did you fertilise/ feed at any point in the grow cycle? I turned the plot and brought in several cubic meters of pre-fermented stable dung from our cattle and chickens. Then at the beginning of flowering I topped up the lanes with about 35/40 liter chickenshit/seaweed pellets.
Would be interesting to see more pictures when the buds have developed further.. My camera is getting shittyer every day, pfff, we'll see mate, we'll see, eheh
Do the plants smell like hemp or more like the drug strain ?
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In the last phase of bloom they smell like AK47 or New York City Diesel and with every possible variation on that inbetween individuals... But only if you were to put your nose in deep enough.

The Finola field and 'drying their buds' does not smell as pungeant from a distance as my GG spots with drug varieties will do.

Ya just got to put your nose in deep enough, and in doing so there is imo not much difference in fragrancies, but the Finola's are definatly not as 'sticky' to the fingers, or as pungeant as my drug varieties are smelling.

Still, there are plenty of feno's that will pack as many well sized trichs unto their sugar leaves and calyxes as would your average drug variety do.
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Thanks offthehook for your answers. I'm curious as to how further development goes.
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My intent was to pollinate them with Diesel ryder and Diesel ryder back crossses to early's exclusively. But yes, the plan got changed a bit indeed, lol.

At first I thought I pollinate the biggest ones by hand, and let the smaller ones go sensi.

But then it seemed to become too much of a job, and so I easely pollinated them all by suspending a vase with male flowers high up on a pole in the middle of the field, lol

Last year, I did it on the way as was originally planned for, but then I only had a quarter of the amount I got this year. Work overload man, lol one's got to pick his battles, ehehe
So to be clear what was the pollen source? And besides the pollen in the vase was there any other source, like a few Finola males, little tiny ones in the middle of the field, or did not one single Finola male flower and drop pollen? How big were the flowers in the vase and how many? To pollinate how many plants, how big, when pollinated? I have done the same pollinating many many female plants 100-1,000 with a single male plant but the male was as big as the females, over 10 feet tall. And seed set was light. I try to use a 1 male to 10, 20, 50, females, I can do more females but I like to have plenty of pollen for my work.
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Old 08-18-2014, 04:23 AM #226
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So to be clear what was the pollen source? Diesel ryder F5's and several different types of 'earlies' that have been back crossed twice or 3 times to Dieselryder. And besides the pollen in the vase was there any other source, like a few Finola males, little tiny ones in the middle of the field, Not one single Finola pollen was present and there were zero hemies. or did not one single Finola male flower and drop pollen? How big were the flowers in the vase and how many? I used the most cluster full stalks that were cut off from the main stem at about 25 cm lenght. About 50 stalks at a time were in the vase, and I replaced the same amount of male flowers every 3 days during a period of 12 days, so about 200 males to about 150 usefull females, (ofcourse there's over 1500 fems all together).To pollinate how many plants, how big, when pollinated? Most were at between 160 and 240 cm tall. Most were between 3e and 4e week of flowering.I have done the same pollinating many many female plants 100-1,000 with a single male plant but the male was as big as the females, over 10 feet tall. And seed set was light. I try to use a 1 male to 10, 20, 50, females, I can do more females but I like to have plenty of pollen for my work.
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I got plenty of Diesel Ryder males in open pollinated SOG's in the forest, so male quality and numbers was not much of a problem. I been sampling some bud already and seed set is looking fairly good.

The thing with Finola here is that they won't only finnish their seed, but they will still put their energy in making more new pistills and continue extending their budding sites. Very unlike all other auto's I am familiar with. > The latter type of auto would only finnish up their seed and not make anymore new pistills.

After today's date, there is no sense in keeping males around any longer for them to pollinate the incoming new pistills. If the majority of seed will be finnished in about 4 or five weeks after today, than by the end of September it will already be so cold that they can only go to shit.
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I got plenty of males in SOG in the forest, so male quality and numbers was not much of a problem. I been sampling some bud already and seeds set is looking fairly good.

The thing with Finola here is that they won't only finnish their seed, but they will still put their energy in making more new pistills and continue extending their budding sites. Very unlike all other auto's I am familiar with. > The latter would only finnish up their seed and not make anymore new pistills.

After today's date, there is no sense in keeping males around any longer for them to pollinate the incoming new pistills. If the majority of seed will be finnished in about 4 or five weeks after today, than by the end of September it will already be so cold that they can only go to shit.
Well I can tell you that is not my experience with FINOLA, or what I saw with the crop in the Netherlands this year, zero new pistills in the whole crop after pollination. I looked and looked. And that was on the 4th, 2 weeks ago. Maybe the longer day photoperiod up where you are makes the difference, down here in the south at 53 latitude it is different, or your exposure to 24 hours made them react differently, I am not sure, it seems funny that a "Auto" FINOLA would react to photoperiod as they are just supposed to be unaffected by them and be age determinate?
By any chance did you grab a couple of unseeded Finola buds that were very resinous to be tested for the CBD content? To be compared to the CBD content in the seeded FINOLA resinous buds? If AUTO's, shouldn't they flower pretty much the same time regardless of where planted? Autos are age determinate not photoperiod. So if planted at the same time, they should flower at the same time. What date did you plant the Finola seeds up there? In the Netherlands this crop was planted May 20 outdoors.
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Well I can tell you that is not my experience with FINOLA, or what I saw with the crop in the Netherlands this year, zero new pistills in the whole crop after pollination. I looked and looked. And that was on the 4th, 2 weeks ago. Maybe the longer day photoperiod up where you are makes the difference, Most likely, yes. down here in the south at 53 latitude it is different, or your exposure to 24 hours made them react differently, I am not sure, I don't know, I never had them on 12/12, always 24/0. Either artificial or sun. it seems funny that a "Auto" FINOLA would react to photoperiod as they are just supposed to be unaffected by them and be age determinate? Age determinate for 'the starting to bloom' factor yes. But after seeds are fully ripe they will still continue to make more pistills in here, so they seem to make the most of it so long they'll get plenty of day light hours. In that sense they seem to tap from both worlds indeed.
By any chance did you grab a couple of unseeded Finola buds that were very resinous to be tested for the CBD content? Nope, sorry.To be compared to the CBD content in the seeded FINOLA resinous buds? If AUTO's, shouldn't they flower pretty much the same time regardless of where planted? Temperature and their 'true genetic auto make up' will be the deciding factor on that. Often times, ppl been sending me their presumed auto flowering seed that will presumably auto at their lattitude at 62, but still remain photo at my lattitude of 65. In those situations there will have been some photo sensitive genes gone undetected at their lattitude just. Autos are age determinate not photoperiod. So if planted at the same time, they should flower at the same time. The cold may have a say too in when they are going to shoot into flower. What date did you plant the Finola seeds up there? 10th of May. In the Netherlands this crop was planted May 20 outdoors. In the Netherlands it's already much warmer on the 20th of May in compare to here on the 10th. Root temps below 10C will cause lots of delay in most auto flowers, some will even permanently dwarf because of low temps at sowing date. Finola's seem to manage all this much better, but apparently it will lengthen the duration of their veg period.


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Some of what you say must be true. I will ask Jace if the Finola he grows in Finland also makes flowers after being seeded. What % if the bracts were seeded in your crop? In DutchHempCBD's crop it was 100% they were all seeded. Maybe that also makes a difference? I know that cold will stop and kill any Auto, I have seen that, but they did not fully mature and frost out before they died or were harvested. They were making new flowers until the cold wet stopped or killed them. They never did really frost out like most drug varieties do the last few weeks of flowering.
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Some of what you say must be true. I been doing this long enough to be confident that all I say is true, lol I will ask Jace if the Finola he grows in Finland also makes flowers after being seeded. At what lattitude does Jace grow his Finola's? > One or two degrees more up or down can make a lot of difference in here. What % if the bracts were seeded in your crop? I can not know yet, the pollination has only just been terminated. I would say close to 100 % on the oldest pistills but the rate on the most recently done pistills I still got to see. In DutchHempCBD's crop it was 100% they were all seeded. Maybe that also makes a difference? That seems unpossible to compare it like that. > if I would not pollinate at all for the duration of 8 weeks of flowering, then thoroughly pollinate them all of a sudden, then continuing their cycle in indoors, then the seeds would still ripen up and still make more pistills there after. I have once done it like that, and was as stunned as you are. That's when I realised that Finola is something special and created the project I am currently working on.
I have seen other auto's that continue to flower like that as well, though they would not perform that great at my lattitude only.
The fenomenon is currently known amongst some other auto's as well. Lemme go dig you a link....
> Maybe check out the Nevs haze 21 x mullimbimby madness in this thread. A presumed full auto that continues to bud out over time.

https://www.seedshare.co/index.php?/...-garden/page-4

I know that cold will stop and kill any Auto, I have seen that, but they did not fully mature and frost out before they died or were harvested. They were making new flowers until the cold wet stopped or killed them. They never did really frost out like most drug varieties do the last few weeks of flowering. In here they do seem to frost out quite a bit, but like I said it won't become as pungeant or sticky as the drug cultivars. I guess it's a terpenoid thingy just. I seen sugar coated leaves irl on some Finola individuals that could make it fairly easy as a 'pin up of the month' to IC Mags home page, lol.

The more you tell me about what you saw at lat 53, the more it becomes clear to me that Finola was acclimated to more Northern conditions and will only perform to the best of her qualities when exposed to said lattitudes.
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