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The Green New Deal

vta

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Crazy

Is the only word to describe this fantasy world of some pretty radical Dems.

via the Federalist
By David Harsanyi

The 10 Most Insane Requirements Of The Green New Deal

The Green New Deal isn't just un-America, it's also completely bonkers.

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Note: Ocasio-Cortez’s office has taken down their page describing the Green New Deal.

A number of Democratic Party presidential hopefuls — including Cory Booker, Kamala Harris, Elizabeth Warren, Kirsten Gillibrand, Julián Castro, and Beto O’Rourke, for starters — have already endorsed or expressed support for the “Green New Deal” (GND). Today, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Sen. Edward J. Markey dropped details about her plan.

It is not hyperbole to contend that GND is likely the most ridiculous and un-American plan that’s ever been presented by an elected official to voters. Not merely because it would necessitate a communist strongman to institute, but also because the societal cost are unfathomable. The risible historic analogies Markey and Ocasio-Cortez rely on, the building of the interstate highway system or moon landing, are nothing but trifling projects compared to a plan overhauls modernity by voluntarily destroying massive amounts of wealth and technology. That is the GND.

While some of the specifics need to be ironed out, the plan’s authors assure that this “massive transformation of our society” needs some “clear goals and a timeline.” The timeline is ten years. Here are some of the goals:

Ban affordable energy. GND calls for the elimination of all fossil fuel energy production, the lifeblood of American industry and life, which includes not only all oil but also natural gas — one of the cheapest sources of American energy, and one of the reasons the United States has been able to lead the world in carbon-emissions reduction.

Eliminate nuclear energy. The GND also calls for eliminating all nuclear power, one of the only productive and somewhat affordable “clean” energy sources available to us, in 11 years. This move would purge around 20 percent of American energy production so you can rely on intermittent wind for your energy needs.

Eliminate 99 percent of cars. To be fair, under the GND, everyone will need to retrofit their cars with Flintstones-style foot holes or pedals for cycling. The authors state that the GND would like to replace every “combustion-engine vehicle” — trucks, airplanes, boats, and 99 percent of cars — within ten years. Charging stations for electric vehicles will be built “everywhere,” though how power plants will provide the energy needed to charge them is a mystery.

Gut and rebuild every building in America. Markey and Cortez want to “retrofit every building in America” with “state of the art energy efficiency.” I repeat, “every building in America.” That includes every home, factory, and apartment building, which will all need, for starters, to have their entire working heating and cooling systems ripped out and replaced with…well, with whatever technology Democrats are going invent in their committee hearings, I guess.

Eliminate air travel. GND calls for building out “highspeed rail at a scale where air travel stops becoming necessary.” Good luck Hawaii! California’s high-speed boondoggle is already in $100 billion dollars of debt, and looks to be one of the state’s biggest fiscal disasters ever. Amtrak runs billions of dollars in the red (though, as we’ll see, trains will also be phased out). Imagine growing that business model out to every state in America?

A government-guaranteed job. The bill promises the United States government will provide every single American with a job that includes a “family-sustaining wage, family and medical leave, vacations, and a pension.” You can imagine that those left in the private sector would be funding these through some unspecified “massive” taxation. On the bright side, when you’re foraging for food, your savings will be worthless.

Free education for life. GND promises free college or trade schools for every American.

A salubrious diet. The GND promises the government will provide “healthy food” to every American (because there are no beans or lettuce in your local supermarket, I guess).

A house. The GND promises that the government will provide, “safe, affordable, adequate housing” for every American citizen. I call dibs on an affordable Adams Morgan townhouse. Thank you, Ocasio-Cortez.

Free money. The GND aims to provide, and I am not making this up, “economic security” for all who are “unable or unwilling” to work. Just to reiterate: if you’re unwilling to work, the rest of us will have your back.

Bonus insanity: Ban meat. Ocasio-Cortez admits that we can’t get zero emissions in 10 years “because we aren’t sure that we’ll be able to fully get rid of farting cows and airplanes that fast.” The only way to get rid of farting cows is to get rid of beef.

The GND uses the word “massive” to explain the size “investments” (formerly known as “taxes”) 13 times. How will we pay for this plan? “The same way we did the New Deal, the 2008 bank bailouts and extend quantitative easing,” say Markey and Cortez, who earned her degree in economics at an institution of higher learning that should be immediately decertified. The plan itself seems to insinuate that billionaires can pay for the whole thing. Of course, best case scenario, it is estimated that instituting a top marginal tax rate of 70 percent would raise a little more than $700 billion over that decade. She does not explain how we’re going to raise the other 20 bazillion dollars it will cost to tear down modernity.

Cortez and Markey claim that 92 percent of Democrats and 64 percent of Republicans support the Green New Deal. I’m not sure where that number is derived. But ask them again when government agents come to take out their water heater.

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This is not satire !
 

White Beard

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No, it’s not satire - but your ‘explanation’ is as hilarious as it is ridiculous - still, thanks for the post - I’d been wondering if your vocabulary had been the reason your posts are typically so short. I see now that’s not the case.
 

vta

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No, it’s not satire - but your ‘explanation’ is as hilarious as it is ridiculous - still, thanks for the post - I’d been wondering if your vocabulary had been the reason your posts are typically so short. I see now that’s not the case.

Cool story. Have a comment on the topic or just here trolln ?
 

yesum

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She looks good dancing other than that, ugh, well, she looks good dancing. I think folks like her can bring new ideas and energy to the table so not all bad, but she seems pretty zoned out on a lot of things.

Imagine all the people living life in peace, ooh hoo, you may say I'm a dreamer....
 

Gry

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If the great corporate masters thought she was a toothless threat, the above hit piece never would
have been written.
They managed to keep Bernie out of the White House through the use of their corporate minions in the core
of the democratic party.
They have managed to negate Elizabeth Warren with good opposition research and what would appear to be her own youthful foolishness.
Will the same happen to OAC, maybe, their are more behind her.
Green New Deal may or may not be the spark, but the corporate masters know that
the pendulum is in motion
 

'Boogieman'

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I would just like an explanation of how we could possibly afford this without breaking the bank. The biggest problem with the left and right is spending. Our national debt should be a top priority too.
 

St. Phatty

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AOC's comic book world.

Problem is, Where's the Realism ?

I feel sorry for the tech advisors she hires who have to put a patina of Reality on her daydreams. Unless they're well paid.

I actually emailed her staff, to ask for a chance to coach her on Climate Change, so she can stick to statements of fact.


Is this AOC's version of "Art of the Deal" ? She asks for these outlandish impossible combination of things (which includes cutting off the energy for my daily hot bath. NO WAY that's going to happen.).

Maybe she's going WAY OUT on unicorn thin ice, and when she's pinned down, she'll pull way back and just go for something realistic ?
 

White Beard

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Cool story. Have a comment on the topic or just here trolln ?
My apologies, I see you didn’t write it yourself...sloppy reading in the middle of the night on my part.

So: what is the Federalist’s approach to the massive problems that we have re: decaying urban infrastructure; theft of public water supplies by Nestle and others; poisoning of the water table thru chemical leaks, illegal dumping, oil spills, fracking, etc; the lack of a secure and unified power grid; transportation; voter suppression; our senselessly fragmented and inequitable electoral “system”; toxic energy sources and production; police murders of citizens in the streets; prioritization of wealthy citizens above the rest of the population; the weaponization of press freedom, et cetera?
 
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Badfishy1

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Yes. Perfect! This will work about as well as the town in Mass that took out a $10 million grant for 2 wind turbines. After building the first town residents complained of constant headaches. Property value dropped 20%. Project was scrappes. As a condition of the grant, the turbines had to generate electricity otherwise the town would be required to pay back grant. The residents are now on the hook for 5 million + 2 million to remove first turbine.
Another fine example of a ‘green’ deal is the millions or billions Hussein granted for solar farms that went belly up producing ZERO electricity. Lmao at the blind sheep. This will work out about as well as O’Malley’s millionaire tax that was supposed to bring the state millions in revenue. Instead the millionaires left in droves and state LOST money. All that glitters isn’t gold
 

Badfishy1

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I would just like an explanation of how we could possibly afford this without breaking the bank. The biggest problem with the left and right is spending. Our national debt should be a top priority too.

That’s the issue... in ALL of these great ‘schemes’, the final cost is intentionally left out...
 

Green Squall

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"Economic security for those unable or unwilling to work."
I wonder if those unwilling to work will get paid vacations as well?
 

Badfishy1

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"Economic security for those unable or unwilling to work."
I wonder if those unwilling to work will get paid vacations as well?

Most likely. Considering 67% of non residents are on government subsidies, I’d imagine that would be number 1 bargaining chip
 

Safe Gardener

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I'm not one to get political, especially here as it's not what I'm here to learn about. But aren't the bigger problems with this plan not just financing it, but that the technology for most of what is being asked isn't even developed yet?
 

Cannavore

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Interesting that they compare this to the first New Deal. You guys know how much pushback and propaganda there was surrounding that right? The elites literally did not want to participate, which is why they tried to overthrow FDR and install Smedley Butler as a fascist dictator. They smeared FDR as a socialist, a dictator, a communist, ect just as they do AOC and Bernie today.

Notice how all sides even establishment dems think AOC is crazy. It's because her policies would directly threaten the elite classes wealth dominance, and the establishment elected figures are there as gatekeepers to protect the wealthy's interests.
FDR literally wrote in private letters to American oligarchs to give up some of their money now, or risk losing it all when the people come for your heads. History repeats itself. FDR saved capitalism through social democratic policy.
 

Badfishy1

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Interesting that they compare this to the first New Deal. You guys know how much pushback and propaganda there was surrounding that right? The elites literally did not want to participate, which is why they tried to overthrow FDR and install Smedley Butler as a fascist dictator. They smeared FDR as a socialist, a dictator, a communist, ect just as they do AOC and Bernie today.

Notice how all sides even establishment dems think AOC is crazy. It's because her policies would directly threaten the elite classes wealth dominance, and the establishment elected figures are there as gatekeepers to protect the wealthy's interests.
FDR literally wrote in private letters to American oligarchs to give up some of their money now, or risk losing it all when the people come for your heads. History repeats itself. FDR saved capitalism through social democratic policy.

You obviously don’t understand BASIC economics. Please stay in the Shit on Drumpf threads
 

Badfishy1

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I'm not one to get political, especially here as it's not what I'm here to learn about. But aren't the bigger problems with this plan not just financing it, but that the technology for most of what is being asked isn't even developed yet?

Just another ‘hidden’ cost
 

armedoldhippy

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I would just like an explanation of how we could possibly afford this without breaking the bank. The biggest problem with the left and right is spending. Our national debt should be a top priority too.

our national debt could be whittled at by not giving already rich folks bigger tax breaks than Joe Average, esp when Bob Billionaires cuts don't expire but Joe Averages do. we could go back to a balanced budget (which our overlords did not ever mean to follow.) we have, by far, the biggest military on the planet but keep throwing billions of taxpayer dollars at it even though we have enough nukes to kill everything on earth many times over. ending useless wars we should not be in & NOT STARTING MORE would be a real money saver. even cities cannot help themselves when the rich cry "help me!." they routinely pay for billionaires new stadiums when those cheap bastards could easily pay for them themselves. i'm looking at YOU, Atlanta! (and other cities as well, they are just closer to home) break the bank? LOL! that motherfucker is in little pieces, and the vultures are picking at the bones as we speak, afraid some small morsel might go to the citizens of this country. :moon:
 
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