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Old 01-03-2017, 07:12 AM #171
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No problem, I just want less personal fighting that is it. I have no interest in deleting posts or or ending the thread.
I do like debates kept to the OP issues and try to avoid personal attacks as much as possible.
We are a very diverse community, but I think we all do share a love of Cannabis, for one reason or many. You can always PM people as long as you try to not be rude, that is truly a waste of time in the long run.
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Old 01-03-2017, 07:37 AM #172
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Someone accused Sam of not giving out helpful info.
He's actually been very straightforward with lineages recently and its been very helpful in tying together many threads(of info).
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What can I say? You are right you did not say GW's work was GMO but you did imply it, that was everyones take and you know why.
It was also right after you posted other GMO scare crap, about Monsanto GMO Cannabis in Urugray, that there is no proof of yet it exists, except maybe in the minds of fools. "article is a good read" according to you....
"The Connection Between The Legalization Of Marijuana In Uruguay, Monsanto And George Soros"

To tell the truth you know exactly what you did imply, and now hide and pretend you never said it, ok we agree you did not say it, now man up and admit you implied it? Or are you going to keep playing games? I thought I was clear in my post #126.
Also maybe all posters could stick to the thread issue and stop the name calling or I will delete off topic posts or close the thread. The issue is GMO Monsanto Cannabis, not classical breeding with Cannabis.
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Sam, my posts in this thread have a common thread--addressing certain misconceptions about "corporations"....btw, the issue is NOT GMO Monsanto Cannabis--the topic is "Bayer Monsanto Merger Will Steal The Marijuana Industry ". Please start a new thread about GMO Monsanto Cannabis if you want (I promise I will not visit it)--
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IMO...the only real monopoly in our current world is "government". There are alternative sources for almost all other goods and services.

BTW Soros nearly bankrupted England with his cleverness and that financial bet is source of his current power/wealth.
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Let's get put this on the table--for some, there is NOTHING that "corporations" (like Bayer, Monsanto, etc) can ever do that (in their eyes) that will ever be viewed as "honorable".

In there minds--evil never emanates from an individual, but from organized "faceless opponents" (vast right winged conspiracy, tea party, greedy corporations, big oil, etc).

Since the current "boogie man" target are "corporations", I remind everyone that a "corporation" is really is a "figment of our legal imagination". A "corporation" has no physical form (impossible to touch it, see it or talk to it), rather it exists in our minds because of a legal process that permits people to formally organize themselves in a legal association; capable of conducting business, entering contracts, to file and defend themselves in lawsuits, and to voluntary dissolve (something humans can not do...lol).

A "corporation" is an association of people that have paid a fee for the pleasure of organizing themselves as a "legal entity". It is a revenue generator for governments.

Yes, "corporations" do personal things like--buy tickets to sporting events and even "own luxury boxes", but it is "people" that attend the game--not the actual "Articles of Incorporation" document.

Instead of "evil corporations"--there are "evil people", and IMO--it would be more honest to discuss the "real evil" as opposed to the "perceived evil"...perhaps identifying the person(s) that are evil and discussing their actual "dirty deed(s)" might be a tad difficult to do--but it is more intellectually honest.
This particular dialog was NOT about GMO (which was not the topic of discussion, but addressing the perceived "evils" of Bayer + Monsanto merger). I was directly responding to Betterhalf's post--and my "implication" or point I was making is highlighted in "bold"--that the merger is a consolidation of two entities and their intellectual property and cannabis consumers are "free thinkers".

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The synergies. For Bayer it’s the North American market and others where Monsanto has a stronghold. There is also the combination of their respective R & D departments.
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Amen!

It is public knowledge that research technology from GW Pharmaceuticals has been shared with Bayer since 2003...and then shared with Monsanto since 2007.

And...ahem, drum roll please, then is it any surprise that in 2009 (2 years after Monsanto's research got department got involved with GW Pharm) that GW Pharm announced it had succeeded in genetically altering a cannabis plant and patented a new breed of cannabis. Imagine that.

So, if the cannabis technology has been shared by all 3 (Bayer+Monsanto+GW Pharm) for almost 10 years know--then isn't the "the sky is falling" crowd a little late to this parade?

IMO, the Bayer+Monsanto merger is really a consolidation of two entities and their intellectual property. The cannabis marketplace is still consumer driven and I bet there is a greater percentage of "free thinking" people within the cannabis marketplace than the general population. Free thinkers do not like being told what to do.

And in response to Kono's assertion that was bought and paid for...and that capitalism is bad, I say the following: Dude I respect your opinion but strongly disagree. I rather have capitalism than socialism because: I enjoy the ability to choose, I love my freedom, I like technical innovation, and I like to say "no". You see, these things are absent in a socialistic society.
So let me get this right, when I make a statement you argue that I mean "GMO"--but when you make that same statement, you argue it means "classical breeding"?

Whatever! Your problem is reading words that were never written--and then accusing me of saying something that was never said or meant. You know what happens when you "assume"...."ass u me".

You are asking me to admit to something that I did not do, sorry I have integrity and will not "lie" for you. No I did not imply GMO in my post...rather my point is--the merger is a consolidation of two entities and their intellectual property, and cannabis consumers are free thinkers--and will do what they want.

NOW FOR THE SAKE OF SANITY, CAN WE LET THIS DEADHORSE LIE?

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No problem, I just want less personal fighting that is it. I have no interest in deleting posts or or ending the thread.
I do like debates kept to the OP issues and try to avoid personal attacks as much as possible.
We are a very diverse community, but I think we all do share a love of Cannabis, for one reason or many. You can always PM people as long as you try to not be rude, that is truly a waste of time in the long run.
Happy New Year.
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Hey Sam. Interesting debate for sure. I was wondering if you could tell us more about the work HortaPharm did with GW Pharma?
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It makes sense for a product to jump in price after a company is sold and bought - the new owners have to make their money back and then some somehow. Also, they have a great product that right now is top of the line and can't be beat, so they can charge basically what they want (within reason) and people will buy it because it not only works but is the best.
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