Out of the BHO game - what's next?

OceanGrownPharm · Jul 7, 2016

Hey there fellow hash makers!

Unfortunately for your truly, my state government has decided that solvent based extractions can only be done by the 3 compassion centers we have.

That means my lean, mean, bottom-pouring modified CLS system will need to find a new owner somewhere that's not so restrictive.

That being said I am now in need of a new method to make my concentrates.

I need to process a few pounds of lowers/larf/trim

I've experimented with a few techniques in the past but have spent the last few years working solely with BHO.

Rosin with a 20 ton press?
Washer and bubble bags for Ice hash?

What's going to get me a happy combination of yield and quantity (all other things being equal).

Any help is much appreciated!

packerfan79 · Jul 7, 2016

Rosin is awesome way better than bho, but it is very labor intensive.

dono · Jul 7, 2016

Doesn't have to be

OceanGrownPharm · Jul 7, 2016

Oops! Quality not quantity!

What kind of yields can I expect from Rosin?

What's the realistic amount that can be "squished" in an hour?

Fly by Night · Jul 7, 2016

Open blasting, whew

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packerfan79 · Jul 7, 2016

I average 25% out of top shelf bud. I haven't tried running dry sift or bubble yet. I have a half pound of trim that I need to get pressed

packerfan79 · Jul 7, 2016

I can probably get 20 to 30 grams in an hour. But I pre press which takes time and collecting it takes time.

cannabia · Jul 7, 2016

I truly prefer the bho process and since i am contemplating switching from it too before its illegal (so dumb considering you can buy and refill your own lighters and thats ok)

I think efficiency wise ill be doing dry ice kief then rosin just cant stand making weed pucks ... but never say never, ill be experimenting with this in the near future.

Mikell · Jul 8, 2016

Rosin can be scaled but there is too much left over not to solvent wash.

PDX Dopesmoker · Jul 8, 2016

Are you still legally allowed to do CO2 extractions or does your state consider CO2 to be a solvent like Oregon does (above 150ºF, below that temperature CO2 stops being a hydrocarbon according to our current crop if regulators).

http://paradigmsupercritical.com seems to be very on top of their game as far as CO2 equipment manufacturers go

If you want to push you luck you could also switch to winterizing your plant matter. Winterizing is not an extraction process, it is a post-processing step used to clean up finished extractions. If you repeat that last sentence on enough forums under different aliases it will eventually become true. Anyway winterizing is a great cleaning technique and I've found you can use it on just about any smokable cannabis product, not just BHO. I've winterized bud, trim, kief, stems, roaches all with very good effect, really cleans them up nice and removes almost 100% of the particulate matter.

Hashmasta-Kut · Jul 9, 2016

Mikell said:
Rosin can be scaled but there is too much left over not to solvent wash.

thats debatable. We have pressed strains that yield 25%, even 30%. Cant be much left at that point, never heard of a bho extraction surpassing 30%.

PDX Dopesmoker · Jul 9, 2016

Hashmasta-Kut said:
thats debatable. We have pressed strains that yield 25%, even 30%. Cant be much left at that point, never heard of a bho extraction surpassing 30%.

With respect to the "Cant be much left at that point" did you ever try eating your pressed out material? I never passed the hair straightener phase, but a gram of rosin chips in my house makes an OK edible dose & two grams a really good one. With your return rate you might need more than a couple grams though.

redlaser · Jul 9, 2016

I hate to waste anything that might be usable so I decarb the pressed pucks and make coconut butter or oil with it.

I also only press flowers and never use any containment so about 10% of the presses have minor to major blowouts, pushing plant matter into the rosin. Since its still going to be used its not as big of a deal.

Mikell · Jul 9, 2016

Hashmasta-Kut said:
thats debatable. We have pressed strains that yield 25%, even 30%. Cant be much left at that point, never heard of a bho extraction surpassing 30%.

I love a debate.

But I have shit for ammo. I've yet to make enough worth washing.

I imagine a more experienced hand would squeeze closer to maximum yield, but surely there is something to the numerous reports of packing tubes and getting 5-15%.

And I don't have to imagine much to think the one's getting 15% are also the people posting pictures of partially pressed hash pads.

Five points adds up quick.

Hashmasta-Kut · Jul 9, 2016

if i got only 15% out of a tube, i never filled it with that stuff again really. 16-18% was about the line in the bho years, which were many.

Mikell · Jul 9, 2016

Sorry, I meant packing tubes with rosin waste re: 5-15%.

Not dying was my goal during my BHO days, which were few. Maybe two. Days. Open blasting and purging in a jerry rigged vacuum "oven". I wasn't a fan of concentrates at the time and could barely hold interest. We had all sorts of neato organic soils to mix and watch kill plants, I don't recall even trying the finished product.

I don't have a very good filtre between brain and maw.

Brain and claw in this case.

CHEERIO

audiohi · Jul 9, 2016

PDX Dopesmoker said:
Anyway winterizing is a great cleaning technique and I've found you can use it on just about any smokable cannabis product, not just BHO. I've winterized bud, trim, kief, stems, roaches all with very good effect, really cleans them up nice and removes almost 100% of the particulate matter.

Roaches?

What's the end product of that winterization look like? I've never seen or even thought about that before. Sounds gross... but interesting

deadkndys · Jul 9, 2016

https://skunkpharmresearch.com/getting-the-green-and-waxes-out-afterwards/

Hashmasta-Kut · Jul 9, 2016

Mikell said:
Sorry, I meant packing tubes with rosin waste re: 5-15%.

Not dying was my goal during my BHO days, which were few. Maybe two. Days. Open blasting and purging in a jerry rigged vacuum "oven". I wasn't a fan of concentrates at the time and could barely hold interest. We had all sorts of neato organic soils to mix and watch kill plants, I don't recall even trying the finished product.

I don't have a very good filtre between brain and maw.

Brain and claw in this case.

CHEERIO

I'd imagine a well pressed puck would yield near the 5% with butane afterwords. The thing is, no matter what you get in a secondary extract after first heat extracting, its pretty much garbage. I did it once, had two hits and gave it away. Weak and yucky.

PDX Dopesmoker · Jul 11, 2016

audiohi said:
Roaches?

What's the end product of that winterization look like? I've never seen or even thought about that before. Sounds gross... but interesting

Don't look man, just eat it & smile.
The interesting aspect of the process was how clean the papers were afterwards - looked liked they'd never been smoked. That was a striking visual demonstration of the efficiency & thoroughness of the extraction process.

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