My Iranians display skinny and fat leaves...tall and short....oldest cannabis genes on this forum by farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr....some of your theories are way off
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So your Iranian is a true LANDRACE for a fact?
..or is it a human assisted cultivar/feral line that came from somewhere else with humans or atleast partly, so a landrace hybrid maybe. If you had it since 1970's or what ever, it doesn't really tell much. When i talk about landraces i'm talking about lines that are quite abit older than line from 1970's.
Not every seed line from Afghanistan or Pakistan is a true landrace line thou they are sold as such today. Many Tom Hill's Broad Leaf lines originate from seeds someone found in hashish, ay, so these are traditional hash cultivars, not even collected from wild plants, so these are not pure landrace lines, thou people many times call them landraces.
Paki, Afghan and Indian genetics have been grown in Morocco for decades so you can't expect every farm to have pure traditional lines.
Cool that you have a Iranian line, old cultivar or true landrace, doesn't matter in the end, i'm really interested in traditional hash cultivars as well. Nice that people keep up these lines.
Can you get a sample to Phylos Galaxy? Via Sam Skunkman maybe send few seeds to Sam. Would be cool to see what's your Iranian related to.
But yea imo, many growers use the term landrace too loosely. Natural plant evolution happens for certain natural reasons, it's obvious; climate, light, elevation, soil etc.
I see that true landrace cannabis have existed longer than humans have grown it, but some regions don't have it naturally, without human assistance that is.
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See this is interesting and its true the plant had to finish earlier in the north then it did in the south. Whether human involvement had something to do with it is not what im going to talk about right now. Its the clear distinction in highs. I will say this having clear trichomes will give you a relatively same high no matter what you have indica, sativa, hybrids etc.
But I think the later flowering times really bring out the plants characteristics. And there are still clear distinctions between the plants that do leave some unanswered questions.
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Why they put seeds inside hashish,i never sees that praxis.. not
even in a pictures on internet??
Ibechillin
Masochist Educator
My Post #23 on page 3 explains the origins of cannabis pretty well. Here is some more info that may answer some more questions:
Strains developed their distinct growth characteristics and variations in leaf size, leaf pigment, bud shape/density and cannibinoid profiles depending on geographical origin.
A group of plants native to an area breed, then their offspring breed for generations adapting more and more to the environment they live in. Each generation giving less variation to the genepool isolating traits, and making them less tolerable to environmental uncertainty.
This is also why breeders advertise some seeds "for indoor" cultivation. After many generations of breeding and living in a consistent environment, the plants become less prepared for change. Versus unadulterated landrace genetics that have endured the unpredictable outdoor weather for thousands of years and happily welcome it.
From Royal Queen Seeds:
GENOTYPE, ENVIRONMENT, PHENOTYPE
Every living organism is the result of evolution that works by the same basic principle. The genotype or genetic code carries all the genetic information regarding growth, appearance, and all the characteristics we can later observe.
It’s crucial to understand that a genotype or genetic code is not something that is set in stone but rather defines a certain range of possibilities. It mainly depends on the environment the organism lives in what specific bits and pieces of the genotype will be activated.
The interaction between genotype and environment results in a phenotype, meaning the physical expression of certain genes the environment triggered.
genotype (G) + environment (E) + genotype and environment interactions (GE) = phenotype (P)
QUICK EXAMPLE: PURPLE STRAINS
Let’s examine a cannabis related example to get a better idea. You purchase seeds from a reputable breeder and intend to grow a purple strain.
Instead of growing all plants in your indoor grow tent, you’ll decide on moving half of your plants outdoors. Besides the fact that no plant seems to be identical to one another, you’ll notice that the plants in your outdoor garden are much richer in purple colours compared to the ones in your indoor grow tent.
Although the genotype carries the information to produce purple hues, it’s the environment, and in this particular case, the temperatures of the environment, that allow two different physical expressions (phenotypes) from seemingly the same genetic code (genotype).
if you’re aiming for maximum efficiency and consistency, your best option is to select a mother plant to take clones from. These clones copy the genotype of the mother plant 1:1 and you’ll continuously end up with the same phenotype assuming a constant environment.
Let’s say you grow one of these identical clones using a hydro set-up, and one in organic soil. This varying environment might result in different phenotypes of the same genotype.
End quote from Royal Queen Seeds
Sativas originate from hot and humid tropical environments near the equator and adapted to resist intense light, heat and mold.
They grow tall and stretchy, the leaves are long and thin fingered and are light green. Especially equatorial varieties which have less chlorophyll and more yellow pigments in order to protect the plant from intense light. Long internode spacing and airy buds allow optimal airflow to stay dry and cool.
Indica origin info Source: softsecrets
Afghan weed presents some of the heirloom genetics of the indica family, which traditionally come from that part of the world: Afghanistan, India, Pakistan, Nepal, etc. There is a reason that such plants are very dark green (due to their mountainous origin), with large palmate leaves: this allows them to convert as little sunlight as possible into as much growth energy as needed. Buds are dense and large, a result of tightly-spaced internodes – an evolutionary defence mechanism that enables the plant to stay warm in cold or high-altitude settings. Large, dense buds also keep the seeds warm and protected, encouraging new generations to flourish.
End Quote from softsecrets
Strains developed their distinct growth characteristics and variations in leaf size, leaf pigment, bud shape/density and cannibinoid profiles depending on geographical origin.
A group of plants native to an area breed, then their offspring breed for generations adapting more and more to the environment they live in. Each generation giving less variation to the genepool isolating traits, and making them less tolerable to environmental uncertainty.
This is also why breeders advertise some seeds "for indoor" cultivation. After many generations of breeding and living in a consistent environment, the plants become less prepared for change. Versus unadulterated landrace genetics that have endured the unpredictable outdoor weather for thousands of years and happily welcome it.
From Royal Queen Seeds:
GENOTYPE, ENVIRONMENT, PHENOTYPE
Every living organism is the result of evolution that works by the same basic principle. The genotype or genetic code carries all the genetic information regarding growth, appearance, and all the characteristics we can later observe.
It’s crucial to understand that a genotype or genetic code is not something that is set in stone but rather defines a certain range of possibilities. It mainly depends on the environment the organism lives in what specific bits and pieces of the genotype will be activated.
The interaction between genotype and environment results in a phenotype, meaning the physical expression of certain genes the environment triggered.
genotype (G) + environment (E) + genotype and environment interactions (GE) = phenotype (P)
QUICK EXAMPLE: PURPLE STRAINS
Let’s examine a cannabis related example to get a better idea. You purchase seeds from a reputable breeder and intend to grow a purple strain.
Instead of growing all plants in your indoor grow tent, you’ll decide on moving half of your plants outdoors. Besides the fact that no plant seems to be identical to one another, you’ll notice that the plants in your outdoor garden are much richer in purple colours compared to the ones in your indoor grow tent.
Although the genotype carries the information to produce purple hues, it’s the environment, and in this particular case, the temperatures of the environment, that allow two different physical expressions (phenotypes) from seemingly the same genetic code (genotype).
if you’re aiming for maximum efficiency and consistency, your best option is to select a mother plant to take clones from. These clones copy the genotype of the mother plant 1:1 and you’ll continuously end up with the same phenotype assuming a constant environment.
Let’s say you grow one of these identical clones using a hydro set-up, and one in organic soil. This varying environment might result in different phenotypes of the same genotype.
End quote from Royal Queen Seeds
Sativas originate from hot and humid tropical environments near the equator and adapted to resist intense light, heat and mold.
They grow tall and stretchy, the leaves are long and thin fingered and are light green. Especially equatorial varieties which have less chlorophyll and more yellow pigments in order to protect the plant from intense light. Long internode spacing and airy buds allow optimal airflow to stay dry and cool.
Indica origin info Source: softsecrets
Afghan weed presents some of the heirloom genetics of the indica family, which traditionally come from that part of the world: Afghanistan, India, Pakistan, Nepal, etc. There is a reason that such plants are very dark green (due to their mountainous origin), with large palmate leaves: this allows them to convert as little sunlight as possible into as much growth energy as needed. Buds are dense and large, a result of tightly-spaced internodes – an evolutionary defence mechanism that enables the plant to stay warm in cold or high-altitude settings. Large, dense buds also keep the seeds warm and protected, encouraging new generations to flourish.
End Quote from softsecrets
They dry sieve resin in these regions, and there was a hole in the screen/cloth and some seeds got mixed into the resin.
From the internet
[FONT="]Tom Hill - X18[/FONT]
[FONT="]X18 like PTK is an old indica line derived from Pakistan import that was introduced to Northern California in the early 1980's. Bred for many years by my very able friend "the chemist".
X18 is pure, never outcrossed, and breeds true for many traits.
The unique sour apple/pear/citrus smell/flavor is very strong (far from subtle) and nearly fixed in the line.
70-80% of the line is characterized by this flavor, with the occasional extreme skunky phenotype as well.
Type: Pure Indica
Flowering Indoor: 8-10 weeks
Harvestin Outdoor: Mid October
Yield: Average[/FONT]
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[FONT="] Tom Hill - Pine Tar Kush
Aka: PTK
Pine Tar Kush is an old indica line derived from Pakistan import that was introduced to Northern California in the early 1980's.
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PDX Dopesmoker
Active member
Deep in the interior mountains of New Guinea there are still tribes of people who have never made contact with the outside world. Maybe they've got their own weed strains.
Any proof? You've been talking about this stuff for years but I've never seen anyone else growing it or talking about it. No testing or independent verification. How do you know it's older then Thai or Afghani or anything else? If it's so special and unique and wonderful why are you the only one talking about it?
Of course you'll get pissy and say what do I know ect. I don't know shit but why do I have to assume you have some special knowledge? If you're going to make these kind of claims you need evidence otherwise it's just your word. And we know how much someone's word goes for on the internet.
clearheaded
Active member
iranian semi autos?
Bardo Eagle
Active member
To me Storm Shadow's Iranian Hashplants are insane beautiful genetics,consistently awesome,check the thread..also for my geographic fetish.and maybe some of the oldest high thc cultivars,hempy sativa that you can found in siberia not count 
Yea, some Lebanese and Moroccan hashplants also semi-autoflower, they say, prolly Turks also. I have also grown Baglung Nepalis and some of these will also start semi-blooming under 18/6 veg light cycle.
I think people call it "semi" autoflowering cause, thou the plants start developing flowers in veg light cycle, the blooming is not normal; they don't make as big flowers as proper autoflowering plants do.
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I took a little look what kind of photos you can find of Iranian cannabis, and atleast today the populations seem to be all over the place; some populations are Deep Chunk-looking Broad Leaves, some look like Hindu Kush afghanis, while some look more like ACE Seeds new Lebanese sativa line (..which to me looks like something from pakistan/N India). I'm sure there's many Afghan and Pakistani genetic populations in Iran, and i'd imagine also the genetics they grow in Turkey and Lebanon.
Apparently Iran was a trafficking route for Afghan/paki opium, and after larger crack downs on opium hashish trafficking grew larger. Opium and cannabis cultivation also grew in Iran at the time and i imagine also new genetics also moved into Iran from the more traditional hash making areas. Only speculation.
Anyway..
I'd say today it is very difficult to claim which is the real deal Iranian genetics without DNA testing, cause there seems to be many different looking populations in the country.
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During the British rule over India they imported most of their hash from the Tashkent area.
so what we think of as afghani or pakistani may have arrived there more recently than we think.
so what we think of as afghani or pakistani may have arrived there more recently than we think.
