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Old 12-30-2018, 11:09 PM #11
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Well that clearly doesn’t take the dealers round my way into account...
I’m sure they were selling amnesia and cheese then, and they still are now
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I'll compliment them on one thing - this is a rare example where the study and supporting data is available via the news piece GN linked to.

Note that this is from the journal Addiction - so the negatives they cite are mostly presumed and only thinly supported in the article, i.e. they reference other articles and say high THC levels are bad, without any specific evidence to support that argument (outside of the statement that most first time addiction treatment references are for Cannabis - which makes some sense given the broad availability of Cannabis... 'though I do wonder if they're treating alcohol treatment separately for "addiction" purposes). The vast majority of the journal piece is dedicated to their argument that potency has gone up.

Haven't looked at the information about their samples yet, seems it was taken from across the EU.
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Here is a link to the source of the article:

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/acti...01-Data_S1.pdf

I took some screenshots to share the relevant data:
The first thing I noticed is the Netherlands having the highest average potency for both flower and hash, as well as those samples having been obtained from coffee shops instead of police seizures like most other samples, no telling how the tested samples were handled/stored or for how long before analysis either. Seems like there is ALOT of brick weed being grown and distributed all over Europe lol.



Herbal (Flower) THC % over the years by country 2006 to 2016




Resin (Hash) THC % over the years by country 2006 to 2016


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No uk data on the graphs?
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Well they tell me ‘bout the pie up in the sky,
Waiting for me when I die
But between the day you’re born and when you die,
They never seem to hear even your cry.
So as soon as the sun
Will shine,
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What's mine.
And then the harder they come ,
The harder they fall,
One and all.

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Old 12-31-2018, 01:18 AM #15
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They have samples from England and Wales listed in the sample origination table too, the plot thickens lol.

Here is a link to the full publication with sources cited for review:

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...1111/add.14525

Reading through it they mention similar trends to America and listed the source they used to compare with. So naturally i read through it and found more information to share:

"A total of 38,681 samples of cannabis preparations were received and analyzed between January 1, 1995 and December 31, 2014. The data showed that, while the number of marijuana samples seized over the last four years has declined, the number of sinsemilla samples has increased. Overall, the potency of illicit cannabis plant material has consistently risen over time since 1995 from approximately 4% in 1995 to approximately 12% in 2014. On the other hand, the CBD content has fallen on average from approximately 0.28% in 2001 to <0.15% in 2014, resulting in a change in the ratio of THC to CBD from 14 times in 1995 to approximately 80 times in 2014.

It is concluded that there is a shift in the production of illicit cannabis plant material from regular marijuana to sinsemilla.

Link to Changes in Cannabis Potency over the Last Two Decades (1995-2014) - Analysis of Current Data in the United States

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4987131/

It would seem the main attribute to potency increase is the increase in seedless marijuana production.

I cant speak from experience on the 60s 70s 80s 90s, seedless medical marijuana availability has always been high for me. Ive only been smoking since 2011 and growing since the end of 2012. Lived in medical marijuana tolerant areas since starting like here in Tacoma, WA and San Diego, CA as well. The reason these types of reports always seem strange to me is because there are 20 year old clones that hit these thc % numbers and higher like Mr.brunch mentioned. Many people Ive met/know that have been smoking most of their life speak highly of strains from the 70s - 90s that they search for and enjoy still today.

Arent there landraces that test higher than 10%? Is it more to do with poor growing/storage and transportation methods?
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The conclusion was wrong. What they saw was people moving from imported stick&seed weed, to home grown. Or Skunk as we called it at the time.

I moved indoors in the early 90s, in about the 5th largest city. We didn't even have a grow shop then. Nearly everything on the street was imported, not produced here. 10 years later the stick&seed was a rare thing, and grow shops were everywhere. We had started to grow our own. That was why the samples they seized changed from regular to sensi. The shift in production was global positioning.

It seemed the dutch were having a similar renaissance. By the mid 90s they were bricking up green for us. Often sprayed with nasty shit. The availability of green pushed the brown weed out of peoples minds. By the late 90s I was being told by a coffee shop that I didn't want it.

Looking at the last 10 years, I doubt much has changed here. There are still people just starting, and still people who have been at it 20 years. By which point, you can do it or you can't. There isn't going to be any great leaps until GM green comes forth.

Kids everywhere will have thrown there hands up in disagreement, thinking their new stuff must be better than our old stuff. Not realising they just changed the name. The very first Skunk hybrid is still chucking out phenotypes that the kids call the latest thing. Nothing is really changing quickly. Just the brochures

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This article just confirms what I saw the last 25 years in Europe.
Weed got better and better till 2006, when you were able to score 25g of good weed for 125€ or good Hazes for 150€ (even HPH or A5). Then the things started to change quickly. Prices remained the same, but quality got worser and worser and now since few years it seems that quality is getting better again.
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Ah drug war propaganda yawn. Twice as strong whoopee. Smoke half as much. Few years back some twats linked cannabis to schizophrenia. Odd thing is it was British research but the cohort for the study were New Zealanders. Thing is NZ has the highest rate of teen suicide in the OECD (double that of the US) and the highest rate of domestic violence in the OECD also. Basically it’s a crap place for kids to grow up. Anyway someone quickly pointed out that if cannabis could cause schizophrenia why in the UK where cannabis use had significantly risen in I think it was 25 years had there been a decrease in the rate of schizophrenia. Beware of illicit drug research. Much of it is as corrupt as the drug war itself.
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It's not getting stronger. I get higher off 15% thc caked up with metabolites than 90% distillate.

Anyone who thinks thc = strength has fallen for corporate government propaganda leading the market right into big pharmas hands. Same thing that happened to opium, a once great natural product that is now only seperated into single constituents, and synthesized in a lab)

Mark Lewis puts it best that people are overdosing on THC and calling it getting high. All I know is isolates/distillates suck.

According to one of the mods on this site, 50% thc extract with natural terpenes was much stronger than 100% thc extract stripped of all other metabolites. And that's coming from a pharma sellout who would be more apt to push the single molecule propaganda (unless he was cut off from any benefits of Gw Pharmas application of patent 6630507)

I guess it's subjective. If laying on their floor and staring at the ceiling mindless is considered getting high to some, who am i to judge. I've never rated any other drugs potency by how boring it is though.
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"In herbal cannabis, concentrations of THC – the main psychoactive constituent of cannabis which has been linked to psychosis – increased from 5% in 2006 to 10% in 2016."
Any researcher who states cannabis was only 5% in 2006,
certainly wasn't around the East Coast of the U.S. in 1971 when the real deal Acapulco Gold, Oaxacan and Panama Red were coming around..
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