‘Too Big to Fail’: Russia-gate One Year After VIPS Showed a Leak, Not a Hack

White Beard said:

With respect to all parties, including VIPS, I notice they make no note of the transfer speeds available to the compromised machine(s). By itself, it would be a meaningless quibble, but MY professional opinion - given a net connection faster than a land line - less than 2 GB in a minute and a half is FAR from impossible. The top rate of the pipe plays in, of course, but we’re mostly likely *not* talking about Kermit @1200bps....

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CosmicGiggle said:

So does this lead right back to the Seth Rich conspiracy theory?

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White Beard said:

Basically, I suppose I’m complaining that they gave no basis for the assessment; even with a fast modem over dialup, 1.9gb in 87 sec. is not “impossible”.

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beta said:

Let me guess - You were the exact kind of sucker that bought into Pizzagate, and you're even a little intrigued by 'Q-Anon'.

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Klompen said:

"Pizzagate" is mostly being pushed by far-right neo-nazis and other hard-to-like types. Most of it is probably nonsense, but some of what they legitimately uncovered is deeply disturbing and everyone should know about it. If you don't know about Jefferey Epstein you really need to learn about him. If you don't know who Laura Silsby is, you should really find out. Also, if you can explain why Alefantis had so much access to the White House and why he was on GQ's top list of influential people I would love to know because nobody has ever given an explanation for the influence wielded by a lowly pizza shop owner. Have you ever seen the footage of Majetstic Ape performing? Have you ever seen the undercover photos of the Hollywood party that Abramovic threw where they had a cake that looked like a person and the menu consisted of known pedophile codes? Do you know what the Dutroix Affair is? How about the Frenklin Scandal? How do you explain the Podesta's obsession with serial killer and pedophile art? How do you explain the long and close connection between Tony Podesta and Dennis Hastert? If you can't answer most of these questions you should not be so quick to totally dismiss the idea.

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Klompen said:

"Pizzagate" is mostly being pushed by far-right neo-nazis and other hard-to-like types. Most of it is probably nonsense, but some of what they legitimately uncovered is deeply disturbing and everyone should know about it. If you don't know about Jefferey Epstein you really need to learn about him. If you don't know who Laura Silsby is, you should really find out. Also, if you can explain why Alefantis had so much access to the White House and why he was on GQ's top list of influential people I would love to know because nobody has ever given an explanation for the influence wielded by a lowly pizza shop owner. Have you ever seen the footage of Majetstic Ape performing? Have you ever seen the undercover photos of the Hollywood party that Abramovic threw where they had a cake that looked like a person and the menu consisted of known pedophile codes? Do you know what the Dutroix Affair is? How about the Frenklin Scandal? How do you explain the Podesta's obsession with serial killer and pedophile art? How do you explain the long and close connection between Tony Podesta and Dennis Hastert? If you can't answer most of these questions you should not be so quick to totally dismiss the idea.

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Klompen said:

"Pizzagate" is mostly being pushed by far-right neo-nazis and other hard-to-like types. Most of it is probably nonsense, but some of what they legitimately uncovered is deeply disturbing and everyone should know about it. If you don't know about Jefferey Epstein you really need to learn about him. If you don't know who Laura Silsby is, you should really find out. Also, if you can explain why Alefantis had so much access to the White House and why he was on GQ's top list of influential people I would love to know because nobody has ever given an explanation for the influence wielded by a lowly pizza shop owner. Have you ever seen the footage of Majetstic Ape performing? Have you ever seen the undercover photos of the Hollywood party that Abramovic threw where they had a cake that looked like a person and the menu consisted of known pedophile codes? Do you know what the Dutroix Affair is? How about the Frenklin Scandal? How do you explain the Podesta's obsession with serial killer and pedophile art? How do you explain the long and close connection between Tony Podesta and Dennis Hastert? If you can't answer most of these questions you should not be so quick to totally dismiss the idea.

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Badfishy1 said:

Neo-Nazi...
Let me clarify this for you. Pg8 was broken on an anonymous forum. This anonymous forum has been a target of ‘the establishment’ for a decade plus. This same forum albeit a different sub-forum was where the ‘anonymous’ movement started. Too much to post the whole forum history, but you can research the reasons why the establishment has had a hard on prior to elections of ‘16. Around the same time David Brock starts up his Hillary/ DNC shill company ShareBlue. Being an anonymous forum, ShareBlue employees start shilling for Hillary’s election campaign. When the Podesta emails are released and picked up by /pol/, the Neo-Nazi campaign starts to discredit ANYTHING coming from said forum. Who was actually pushing the muh neo-Nazi narrative? 2 groups ShareBlue along with JIDF. To add to the matter, check out who Brock’s ex boyfriend is... yup none other than one James alefantis, owner of comet ping pong. Yep the same pizza parlor with pedo-satanic decorum on the wall. All coincidences I’m sure. Especially the owners name...
Understanding the culture of this forum is key to understanding who these ‘unlikable’ types are. Yes a lot of off the wall shit is said there. But the reason for this is to keep outsiders out. In their eyes this is the last bastion of free thought and speech and they want to keep the community /theirs/. The outrage ‘outsiders’ show is what feeds the beast. So as long as people continue being outraged, these people continue to be inspired. And just as a fun side note- trumps piss dossier came from this same place. Why? To see how far they would get for no other reason than to troll ‘normies’ and the msm just for laughs. They set bait, normies take it and run with it and onto the next laugh. Pretty interesting how much ‘power’ a group of disregarded castaways brings to the geo-political scene

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Badfishy1 said:

Don’t leave out the amazing resemblance between John and Tony podesta and the composite sketches released by the Portuguese police after Madeleine McCann’s disappearance. Or the fact both were in Portugal along with the fact BOTH were in Portugal at the time of her disappearance. Or podesta’s ‘14 fish’ photo? At what point are ‘coincidences’ something more? Or the fact that Slick Willy took 32 flights on Lolita express leaving secret service detail. But sure take what Snopes (owned by HUGE DNC donors) says as fact and nothing to see here. If all these are big nothing burgers, why does MSM dump millions and millions into disproving a LARP? Pro tip: powerful people with a lot to lose are SCARED

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Published 1 day ago on October 26, 2018 By Philip Giraldi

Two recent stories about Russians have demonstrated how the news is selected and manipulated in the United States. The first is about Maria Butina, who apparently sought to overthrow American democracy, such as it is, by obtaining a life membership in the National Rifle Association. Maria, a graduate student at American University, is now in detention in a federal prison, having been charged with collusion and failure to register as an agent of the Russian Federation. She has been in prison since July, for most of the time in solitary confinement, and has not been granted bail because, as a Russian citizen, she is considered to be a “flight risk.”

Maria, who has pleaded not guilty to all charges, is now seeking donations to help pay for her legal defense as the Russian government renews demands that she be released from jail or be tried on whatever charges the Justice Department can come up with, but her release is unlikely as she is really a political prisoner.

The media has been silent about Maria Butina because the case against her is falling apart. In early September prosecutors admitted that they had misunderstood text messages used to support claims that she had offered to trade sex for access to information. Demands that she consequently be released from prison were, however, rejected. Her lawyer observed that “The impact of this inflammatory allegation, which painted Ms. Butina as some type of Kremlin-trained seductress, or spy-novel honeypot character, trading sex for access and power, cannot be overstated.”

In an attempt to make the Butina embarrassment disappear from the news, the Justice Department has proposed an unprecedented gag order to prevent her attorney from appearing in the media in a way that could prejudice a jury should her case eventually come to trial. Currently there is no court date and Maria remains in jail indefinitely, but the press could care less – she is just one more Russiagate casualty in an ongoing saga that has long since passed her by.

Given the Maria Butina story and the hysteria over all things Russian it was perhaps inevitable that the tale of Kremlin interference in American elections would be resurrected and repeated. Federal prosecutors are now reporting that another Russian woman has illegally conspired with others to “defraud the United States” and interfere with the U.S. political system, to include plans for conducting “information warfare” to subvert the upcoming 2018 midterm elections.

The complaint was filed on October 19th at a federal court in Virginia which handles most national security cases. According to the court documents, Elena Alekseevna Khusyainova, a 44-year-old resident of St. Petersburg in Russia, has worked as the head accountant for “Project Lakhta,” a Russian influence operation backed by an oligarch close to President Vladimir Putin. According to the Justice Department, the operation “spread misinformation about US political issues including immigration, gun control, the Confederate flag, and protests by NFL players. It also used events including the Las Vegas mass shooting, and the far-Right rally in Charlottesville, to spread discord.”

Khusyainova, who is not likely to be extradited to the United States for trial, allegedly purchased advertising in social networks and also supported dissident groups. The accusation of the American authorities emphasizes the connection between Khusyainova and St. Petersburg businessman Yevgeny Prigozhin, who was previously identified by the media as the owner of a ‘Troll Factory’ in St. Petersburg. In the U.S., several charges have already been brought against him and his staff, including interfering in the presidential elections in 2016.

The Maria Butina story reveals how there is a fundamental flaw in the justice system in the United States. When someone is found guilty by the media there is no way to right the wrong when the story shifts and starts to break down. The New York Times or Washington Post is unlikely to leap to the defense of the accused. Maria Butina has been raked over the coals in stories that were partly true but mostly false in terms of any criminal intent. She is still waiting for justice and will likely be doing so for some time.

The case of Elena Khusyainova is Maria Butina redux, only even more idiotic. No actual evidence is presented in the indictment and since Elena is in Russia and not likely to visit the United States, the entire affair is a bit of theater intended to heighten hysteria about the U.S. midterm elections. Is the U.S. electoral system really so fragile and what did Elena actually seek to do? The Justice Department is silent on the issue beyond vague accusations about trolling on the internet by Russians. One wonders who in the federal government ordered the investigation and signed off on the indictment.

Both Maria and Elena are victims of a politicized miscarriage of justice. Maria Butina should be released from prison now and allowed to pay her fine for being an unregistered agent before leaving the country. There is no justification for holding her in prison. And the indictment of Elena Khusyainova is not worth the paper it is written on. It should be torn up and thrown away.

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gaiusmarius said:

Two Stories from the Propaganda War

The media has been silent about Maria Butina because the case against her is falling apart.

https://theduran.com/two-stories-from-the-propaganda-war/

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beta said:

"The Duran is an online news and opinion source with a strong right wing bias. There is evidence they have posted misleading information and they have perpetuated some conspiracies. "

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-duran/

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gaiusmarius said:

as i always say, i'm into looking at things from all points of view, the Duran is just one of many places i like to look at. imo there isn't really any media out there that is bias free, ill go further and say there isn't a human out there without biases.

i am sure that they have made mistakes, but what should matter in this case is the facts of this article, are the facts in this piece correct? if not, where did they go wrong? it's never a good sign when the response is to attack the messenger rather then the message it's self. one should use ones own judgement always and look at all sides version of events. as i have said before, we all see the msm propaganda, it's the other side of the propaganda i am mostly presenting.

it does seem to me that Maria Butinova is getting treated to the raw end of the US injustice system.

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beta said:

If what they're claiming is true, it would be reported on by news sources with a reputation for factual reporting. If a story is *only* being 'reported' by hyper-partisan conspiracy theorists, it's definitely BS.

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gaiusmarius said:

maybe, but i haven't exactly seen her being accused of anything very grevious in the msm. often what these guys mention comes up in the msm a bit later, we will see as time passes.

one thing seems true, the case against her is weak and no one else has ever been jailed for lobbying for a foreign government without registering as a foreign agent. so it does seem there is politics involved in her case.

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