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For it?
Against it?

Lets hear your reason.

To get started, here is MPP's top 10 reasons to legalize...

1. Prohibition is a complete failure — marijuana use is mainstream and widespread. When the federal government
first effectively prohibited marijuana in 1937, relatively few Americans had even heard of it. Today, according to 2009 U.S.
Department of Health and Human Services data, over 100 million Americans admit to having tried it (16.7 million in the last
month), and every year, the Monitoring the Future survey finds that over 80% of high school seniors say marijuana is easy to
obtain.

2. Prohibition is an immense waste of public resources, while marijuana taxation would bring in much-needed revenues
in these tough economic times. According to 2010 estimates by Harvard University economist Jeffrey Miron, replacing
marijuana prohibition with a system of taxation and regulation would yield $20.1 billion in government savings and increased
tax revenues. Another researcher, Jon Gettman, estimates lost tax revenues caused by marijuana’s prohibition at $31 billion.

3. Prohibition sends an incredible number of Americans through the criminal justice system, ruining countless lives.
According to the FBI, since 1995, there have been more than 11.2 million U.S. marijuana arrests, with 858,408 in 2009
– significantly more than for all violent crimes combined. 88% of these arrests are for possession – not manufacture or
distribution. According to a study of prisons in four midwestern states, one in ten male inmates will be raped while in prison,
and up to 27% of female inmates may be subject to rape and sexual assault.

4. Under prohibition, marijuana offenders are subject to harsh collateral sanctions, even those who are not imprisoned.
Because of a marijuana conviction, offenders may be deemed ineligible to adopt a child, serve as a foster parent, participate
in public housing and food assistance programs, earn a professional license, receive student loans or a driver’s license, serve
on a jury, possess a firearm, or vote. It is unjust that some marijuana users face these lifelong consequences, while those lucky
enough not to be caught can go on to become U.S. governors, presidents, or Supreme Court justices.

5. The arbitrary criminalization of tens of millions of Americans who consume marijuana results in a large-scale lack of
respect and rejection of the law. For many of the 104 million Americans who have tried marijuana, it’s illogical and unjust
that marijuana use is illegal, while more dangerous substances, such as alcohol, are legal and regulated. The disparity in the
treatment of these substances, as well as the economic and racial disparities in prosecution and sentencing, break down
societal respect for the law and law enforcement.

6. There is no evidence that imposing criminal penalties on marijuana use reduces its use. The National Research
Council found that “perceived legal risk explains very little in the variance of individual drug use.” In 2008, the World Health
Organization found that in the Netherlands, where adults are allowed to purchase and possess small amounts of marijuana,
both teen and adult marijuana use is significantly lower than in the U.S., where marijuana is illegal.

7. Prohibition makes control impossible. Producers and sellers of marijuana are completely unregulated. Unlike licensed
businesses that sell liquor or tobacco, marijuana sellers operate virtually anywhere and have no incentive not to sell to minors.
Prohibition guarantees that marijuana cannot undergo quality control inspections for purity and potency, creating possible
health hazards as a result of contamination by pesticides, herbicides, fertilizers, molds, fungi, or bacteria, as well as the lacing
of marijuana with other drugs or formaldehyde. Under taxation and regulation, producers and sellers would be licensed and
zoned accordingly.

8. Marijuana prohibition breeds violence. Currently, the only sellers of marijuana are criminals. As in 1920s Chicago, since
disputes cannot be solved lawfully, violence is inevitable. According to a BBC report based on Mexican government data ,
since 2007, more than 34,000 people have been killed in Mexican drug cartel-related violence. Those purchasing marijuana
illegally also may face muggings and other violence.

9. Prohibition is bad for the environment. Because marijuana cultivation is illegal, unlicensed, and carries felony charges, it
often takes place in environmentally damaging locations such as national parks and wilderness areas. Under taxation and
regulation, marijuana sales would be relegated to regulated, licensed businesses, which would cultivate in legally zoned areas.

10. Marijuana is safer than alcohol. Unlike legal substances such as water, alcohol, Tylenol, and prescription opiates, marijuana
has never caused a single medically documented overdose death in recorded history. Alcohol causes over 300 overdose
deaths each year, and in 2007 (the latest year for which data is available), the U.S. Centers for Disease Control reported 23,199
“alcohol-induced deaths” and no marijuana deaths. The British government’s official scientific body on drug policy concluded
that [legally regulated drugs] alcohol and tobacco are “significantly more harmful than marijuana. ” American law treats
alcohol as if it were safer than marijuana, encouraging people to drink.

Oh...lets keep it civil! It's OK to debate but keep it cool and no funny stuff!
 
Hahaha...Bro, you KNOW that ain't a gonna happen!! :tiphat:

That photo is CLASSIC Kmk!!!

Hemp is part of the package and that is about 1000 reasons right there, but better products and less environmental impact is the main theme. It will instantly save forests with its paper and construction products, reduce our dependance on fossil fuels for plastics, and create jobs.

Keep it out of kids hands

Provide a whole new legal industry with jobs and business opportunities.

Tourism in some parts of the country

Tax the product, the producers, the distributors and the consumers... that is a shit ton of tax!

Reduce crime.

Reduce prison burden

Allow for educating people about responsible use instead of just calling it devil weed and making up lies about its effects and dangers which do no good and help no one.

Reduce availability of harmful drugs and allow for focus of time and manpoweron those substances.

Reduce problems on the Mexican border.

Allow people to chill the fuck out

Provide a safer alternative for alcohol

Create a fair workplace environment where people aren't fired or denied insurance benefits because they smoked a doobie at a Tom Petty concert last weekend and were forced to pee.

Eliminate the need to hide and lie about its use from friends, family and the law.

Kick big pharma right square in the stones and bring them down a notch.

Provide an inexpensive, effective, and invaluable medicine to anyone who has access to dirt and water.

Allow for research and study of this wonderful plant to find MORE ways it can benefit us.


There are obviously many more!
 

Hash Zeppelin

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The entire Drug War is Unconstitutional, and insulting to the intelligence of the American People!
 
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Tripp Inmiasov

The only crime I can think of related to cannabis... was when they made it illegal. The politicians and businessmen involved are the criminals. The only problem I can think of with cannabis is that organized crime controls our government, our businesses and our news media....and these dumb fucks create and enforce our laws!

We've been played by organized crime fronting as government and business for almost a century....and we're so used to it we don't fucking know any better!

Cannabis was legal for millions of years. These stupid, greedy fucks came along and scammed the fuck out of us!
 
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Tripp Inmiasov

Oh, come on!

This thread got awfully silent. Only happens when you open your eyes and see the crap you've been smelling for all this time.

Does it all make sense now?

How can one person in the DEA have so much power over an entire nation?

How can big business make trillions of dollars selling drugs and substances that kill millions of people every year? And our government officials do nothing to stop them?

Where does big pharma get their coca and opium for their pills they sell? How can they get away with dealing drugs that kill and cause such serious injury?

How does alcohol and tobacco get away with selling their poison?

Why is the hemp plant illegal?

Why is cannabis so prohibited to the point that law enforcement at the federal, state and local level can take any measure they wish to kill an innocent plant? And ruin millions of innocent lives?

Why did we arm the mexican cartels?

I think we all know.
 

Anti

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I think weeds shuld be illegals b-cuz it makes poeple dum and we hafta proteckt dum poeple from theirself.
 

Stranger

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The fact that Hemp is not a major part of the debate speaks volumes.

Jack was right. It might be more about hemp than cannabis.
 

BiG H3rB Tr3E

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The fact that Hemp is not a major part of the debate speaks volumes.

Jack was right. It might be more about hemp than cannabis.

well we know it was 70 years ago. you got the big money people who had alot of money tied up in other industries that were being destroyed by the hemp industry. thats not the reason anymore.

the case is now there is far more money on the politician / police side with mj illegal.

they get money from arrests, they get private prisons which most are slave labor camps, they get tax payer money from feds to enforce, they get to open ends confiscate all your possessions on crimes from mere posession to sales or cultivation, they get to confiscate your money-cars-house whatever the fuck the please, they get easy search warrents via bogus probable cause accusations (mj smell), they get to hit you with felonies causing you to give up alot of your rights as an american, ithey stamp you with a criminal record keeping you from decent work >>> which normally causes you to go back to selling or growing,, creating the cycle over and over. it really just doesnt end. all these pricks say """we just enforce the law""" but they dont want to see shit change. we see that everytime something comes up to vote which could take away ganja the golden goose from their grasp. most cops are fucking cowards. they dont want to deal with tweekers and cokeheads. they want to deal with the peaceful stoned out weed smokers who normally never cause them any grief and easy to spot and harass

it just puts so much power in their hands while taking the rights away from otherwise law abiding americans all in the name of "good".

and the problem so many in this country are so fucking brainwashed, ignorant or corrupt to give a shit about these injustices... or know the harm they really cause to our society
 
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Warped1

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Make it legal. There are no good reasons for cannabis prohibition.
 
well we know it was 70 years ago. you got the big money people who had alot of money tied up in other industries that were being destroyed by the hemp industry. thats not the reason anymore.

the case is now there is far more money on the politician / police side with mj illegal.

they get money from arrests, they get private prisons which most are slave labor camps, they get tax payer money from feds to enforce, they get to open ends confiscate all your possessions on crimes from mere posession to sales or cultivation, they get to confiscate your money-cars-house whatever the fuck the please, they get easy search warrents via bogus probable cause accusations (mj smell), they get to hit you with felonies causing you to give up alot of your rights as an american, ithey stamp you with a criminal record keeping you from decent work >>> which normally causes you to go back to selling or growing,, creating the cycle over and over. it really just doesnt end. all these pricks say """we just enforce the law""" but they dont want to see shit change. we see that everytime something comes up to vote which could take away ganja the golden goose from their grasp. most cops are fucking cowards. they dont want to deal with tweekers and cokeheads. they want to deal with the peaceful stoned out weed smokers who normally never cause them any grief and easy to spot and harass

it just puts so much power in their hands while taking the rights away from otherwise law abiding americans all in the name of "good".

and the problem so many in this country are so fucking brainwashed, ignorant or corrupt to give a shit about these injustices... or know the harm they really cause to our society

Good points Tr3e. Back in the day hemp was a bigger part of this battle. Today it is mostly about the enforcement dollars. I also see alcohol and big pharma as the enemys too. And hemp still is a big deal. Lumber was a thriving business 5 or 6 years ago. It is sold like a commodity. as homeowners we don't see the fluctuations, but if anyone out there ever did any wholesale buying they know how the lumber market fluctuates every day. It is like buying stocks or pork bellies.

I see hemp being a huge player in paper and building materials. Imagine how much fiber you could get from an acre of 12' tall hemp plants? I don't know the actual numbers, but I can't imagine it could be any less than what you could do on that acre in 5 years with trees! With the technology in laminated wood products and resins, some of which can be made from hemp seed oil, there are less and less reasons to use traditional lumber products. As examples, Bamboo and Cork are becoming quite popular for wood flooring substitutes.

As we all know, paper products are giving way to lcd screens so the lumber industry is already taking a hit there in addition to the decrease in construction starts. All this together would likely make the lumber industry more poised to fight something like this. I think before it is all said and done they will be revealing their ranks with the rest of the opposition.
 

NOTB

Member
you are all pussies.....come north ..ahhh...your too afraid arn't ya, it might be in the gene pool......but maybe you can breed it out.....good luck!
 

Barn Owl

Active member
Locking an individual up for growing a plant, smoking dry bud, eating a peanut butter reefer cup, feeling better, medicating, relaxing etc.. is utterly insane.

In Nevada were I used to live( and everywhere), law enforcement is kicking doors in, and having the media tell local people that they just saved their kids from the horrible gateway drug. This is 2011, facts don't matter. Ignorance pays off corrupt police departments.

Should it be legal?
 
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guest8905

"legal...........

legally you have to legalize it

man rights you know?" -Bob Marley

Jah never said make it illegal, it was just some insignificant politicians aka BABYLON

I no listen to BABYLON!!!!
 

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