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Lipon irthe I ora pou apofasises na kanis to proto sou grow!!
Aftos o odigos ine me ta endelos aparetita pou tha xriastoun gia ena petiximeno proto grow.
Den tha mpo se leptomeries tou stil ti einai o klonos, to balast, ScroG klp. Apla pos tha bgaloume bud apo sporo me ton aparetito exoplismo.

Ti xriazome?

Xoma kalis piotitas pou tha dosi mia dinati vasi gia ta fita sou. To xoma pou tha parete prepi na periexi perliti, xoumo, tirfi. Me to Ph value na kimenete giro sto 6.5 opos ke to nero pou tha ta potizete prepi na ine ke afto metaxi 6.3~6.8 An to paravlepsete ta fita tha sas kanoun ti zoi kolasi.
Opios exi ti dinatotita na mazevi ke na potizi ta fita me vroxino nero ine oti kalitero.
Anexartita to nero h thermokrasia tou otan potizoume kalo ine na exi thermokrasia domatiou, giro stous 23c gia na min sokaronde h rizes ton fiton.

Kalis piotitas organika h semi organika lipasmata [Fertilizers/ Nutrients] An den xerete ti na perete, parte ta BioBizz vlepo oti h elines tous exoun adinamia opou ke na vriskonde.
Epidi h dosologies sta lipasmata ine se ml ke profanos den xerete poso ine p.x ta 5ml, parte mia sirigga apo farmakio na metrate tis dosologies. Se kamia periptosi min xepernate tis dosologies pou sistinonte, pio poli lipazma den simeni se kamia periptosi perisotero bud. An thelete perisotero bud valte megaliteri lamba!
Xronodiakoptis/Timer, thermometro/igrometro, anemistiras tipou box h revolving

Tourbina exaerismou [Rvk] ducting/solines duct tape , sfixtires/clamp & filtro energou anthraka an exoume provlima min mas paroun mirodia.

Lambes, Metal Halide [MH] , High Presure Sodium [HPS] & High Presure Sodium me ble fasma [spectrum] . Aftes oles ine I pio diadedomenes gia ta kalitera dinata apotelesmata se kaliergia esoterikon xoron [Indoor] Tis MH tis xrisimopioume oso to fito anaptisete,otan arxizi na anthoforia perimeni diaforetiko fasma fotos, to opio to vgazoun h HPS. H High Presure Sodium me ble fasma kanoun gia ola ta stadia tou fitou, me ala logia mporoume na tis xrisimopiisoume apo tin proti mexri tin teleftea mera, me poli kala apotelesmata.
Sindeonde se ndoui gigas tipou E40 sinithos sto reflector ine ensomatomeno to ndoui E40,opou aftos me ti sira tou sindeete meso kalodiou sto ballast ke oxi apofthias sto revma !!! Tora pou leme gia ballast thelo na sas thimiso oti arxisan na kikloforoune fthina Digital ballast, [safos kalitera apo ta magnitika!]an exete dosete merika evro parapano parte ta pio exeligmena Digital ballasts tora. Etsi ki’alios kapia stigmi sindoma digital tha parete. An logo afragias parete magnitiko parte aftous pou I asfalia ine kalimeni/monomeni esoterika ke na alazete efkola.
Prin ligo kero kapio melos edo mesa elege oti me ena ballast 600ari mporis na sindesis ke mikroteres lambes apo 600ares ala oxi megaliteri, diladi an exis ena ballast sta 1000w mboris na xrisimopiisis oles tis lambes..Afto den isxii ta watt tis lambas prepi na ine akrivos ta idia watt tou ballast! me monadiki exeresi tis 400w HPS me blue spectrum pou ine stin pragmatikotita 430w. Aftes tis ‘trexi’ o 400aris.
Apo lambes sinexizo iparxoun gia ti doulia pou theloume ke h Compact Flourescent [CFL] .Sinithos tis sinandame se compact grows. Ta watt gia tis 2 protes pou proanafera kimenonde apo 75w eos 1000w. Apoles aftes h pio apodotiki [efficient] ine h 600w HPS dioti paragoun ta pio pola Lumens per Watt. Pragma pou ine poli kalo gia ta fita mas me apla logia.

Den tha anafertho stis floro ala an kapios theli na tis xrisimopiisi h lamba gia flowering prepi na vgazi 2700k vathmous Kelvin gia flowering h fthoriou pou kani gia gia veg ine h Cool White sta 6400k .

H lamba ke ta watt pou xrisimopoioume ine analoga to xoro pou tha ekmetaleftoume gia to grow. P.x se computer case h tetiou idous compact grow den beni hps 400ara vazoume mikroteres lambes h cfl.An exoume na ekmetaleftoume ena tetragoniko metro vazoume 400w h 600 watt. Poli proxira mia 400ara kani idaniki doulia mexri 80cmx80x1.80~2m Ta 600w 1.20x1.20x1.80~2m+ ke me apoklisi+~15-20% tou xorou kala ine ala mexri eki!

H diarkia zois stis lambes MH & HPS anexartitou watt einai peripou enas xronos efoson xrisimopiite sinexomena. H afedia mou tis xrisimopii gia 3 grow kathe lamba ke meta tis alazo. Den kegonde sinexizoun na anavoun otan ine sto revma ala exi miothi h apodotikotita tous ke me to mati den mporoume na to katalavoume, ala ta fita to katalavenoun. Iparxoun ke kati lumenometra stin agora gia na min petiounde noritera.

H lambes prepi na vidononde sfixta sto doui ke na katharizonde kala me ena pani meta to vidoma. An h lamba exi daxtilies mionete h apodotikotita tis mexri 15%, ke ektos afto exoun anaferthi periptosis pou eskasan lambes apo idromena xergia sto anama.

Glastres. Oi glastres prepi na exoun tripes apo kato na fevgi to nero ke na ine skouro to xroma tous, mavro ine idaniko, giati h rizes den theloun fos.

Ke ena baboo stick kalou kakou gia kathe glastra na iparxi se periptosi pou to xriastoume meta.

Afta apo exoplismo. Rixte omos ke mia matia sta etima kit tha glitosete kabosa $$$. P.x afto h kati paromio telos pandon.

Efoson tora exoume apofasisi pio tha ine to ‘spiti’ ton fiton mas opou mpori na ine mia apo mia doulapitsa h ena grow tent ,akoma ke ena mikro domatio. To katharizoume apo skones savoures klp, ke meta to apolimenoume oste na mi to metaniosoume otan argotera ta vaktiridia epitethoun sta fita mas….

Sto patoma vazoume lepta fila apo felizol h kati alo gia na min exoun amesi epafi h glastres me to patoma na litourgi san monosi apo to krio. To epomeno vima einai na kalipsoume tavani & tixous tou grow me kapio reflective [andanakla to fos] iliko opos mylar [lefko pvc] ,peritiligma doron apo tin anapodi plevra ti gialisteri, h na to vapsoume lefko.[alouminoxarto me lamba HPS/MH apagorevete ritos ke katigorimatikos, an omos den iparxi dinatotita gia kati alo to alouminoxarto prepi na to mbi apo tin anapodi plevra].
Otan disoume to grow room prepi na veveothoume oti den pernai fos mesa, sta simia pou iparxoun diaroes ta kalivoume me alouminotenia, etsi kratame to meros sfragismeno se vaktiria ke fos.
Kremaste ton reflector me tetio tropo oste na anevokateveni efkola opote xriazete.
O exaeristiras mbeni sinithos psila analoga panda to setup. An kani fasaria alaxte to ducting ke valte athorivo/silent stin isodo ke tin exodo, mioni poli to thorivo.
Ean o xoros den exi tin dinatotita na aerizete fisika prepi na xrisimopiithi ali mia Tourbina exaerismou xrisimopiondas tin etsi oste na ferni fresko aera [intake]. [TIP: An exete dinatotita na exete to grow se xoro pou vriskeste arketes ores ti mera stiste to se afto to meros. Ta fita mporoun ke xrisimopioun 5 fores perisotero CO2 apo afto pou iparxi idi ston aera. Diladi h ekpnoi mas kani kalo sta fita, ande kaleste tora olous tous filous sas na kanete askisis ekpnois haha.
Afto itan astio! mi lete pouthena ti kanete ke min paraviasete pote afton ton kanona oute ston kalitero sas filo…. Exi o keros girismata ke pote den xeris.

Etimo ke to grow room.

Sporoi [seeds]
Iparxi para poli megali pikilia gia ton grower na apofasisi ti tou kani. Ta magazia pou poulane sporous ine sinithos stin oladia ke litourgoun os nomimes epixirisis, akoune sto onoma Seedbanks.1 2 epiloges sti ratsa [strain] tou sporou ine metaxi Sativa, Indica,& indica/sativa ivridia. Se genikes grames ta Indica exoun vargia mastoura apo afti pou vargiese na kanis otidipote. Xaraktiristiko tous ine to xamilo ipsos tous ta platia fila , o grigoros xronos orimansis tou fitou.
Ta Sativa ine pio psila fita kathisteroun na orimasoun andexoun tin xirasia ke ta fila tous ine poli lepta . To high tous ine pio enggefaliko ke ligotero somatiko. Mexri ena simio enoite…
H kanavi Apo to sporo mexri to kopsimo [harvest] pernai apo diafora stadia pou tha doume sti sinexia.

1.Germination
2.Seedling
3.Vegetation
4.Sexing
5.Preflowering
6.Flowering
7.Harvest

Germination ine to proto vima gia na gini fitaki o sporos. Bazoume ta sporgia se ena potiri me apionismeno nero ke to afinoume se skotino meros. Sinithos se 2-3 meres skane. H ta vazoume anamesa se merika fila apo xartopetseta vregmena [apofigete to vambaki dioti mbleki h riza ke isos spasi] ,meta valte to mesa se ena sakoulaki, to sfragizoume aerostegos gia na mi figi h igrasia ke to vazoume se skotino xliaro meros. Apo 2-6 meres gia na skasoun.
Molis skasoun ta vazoume h se plastika potirakia me vregmeno xoma h se mikra glastrakia me ti riza pros ta kato se vathos 2cm.
Fos den xrisimopioume akoma,tin lamba tin anavoume molis doume to proto fitaki[cotiledones]. Tourbina exaerismou akoma den tin xrisimopioume giati theloume na kratisoume tin igrasia sto grow room.
Otan emfanisti h proti prasinada anavoume ti lamba. An exoume anapsi MH h HPS se afto to simio kala ine tis protes 3-5 meres na tis exoume ena metro pano apo ta evestita seedlings, mexri na megalosoun ligo ke na sinithisoun ti zesti pou paragou aftes h lambes.
Ta potizoume sixna me poli mikres posotites nerou. To xoma den prepi na xerathi oute na gini poli igro,edo theli ligo prosoxi.
Argotera katevazoume tin lamba gia na dosoume perisotero fos lambas sta fitakia. Toulaxiston gia oso anavi h lamba vazoume ton anemistira na fisai ligo pano apo ta fita, afto ta voithai na dinamosoun na apneoun kalitera. Sas protino o anemistiras na fisai sta fita apo do ke pera olo to ikositetraoro 24/7.

Setaroume to timer na dini fos 18 ores sinexomenes ke 6 ores apolito skotadi. An logo peristaseon prepi na doulevoume sto grow room tin ora pou ine svisto to fos pragma pou eprepe na to skeftoume noritera, ala an…..leo an…,to fos prepi na ine prasino. Ine to monadiko xroma pou den enoxli ta fita otan xekourazonde.
Sas protino panda otan asxoliste me ta fita na forate fanelaki h kati kondomaniko gia iparxi esthisi ti akoumbai to xeri sas, ti na po an krionete sikoste ta manikia, alios iparxi kindinos na spasete kladia xoris na to katalavete,ke meta tha iste olo nevra.Ena lathos pou tin patane ke I pio embiri growers.

H idanikes thermokrasies pou prepi na exoume mesa sto grow room ine 20c – 28c, me ala logia otan anavi h lamba mexri 28c otan svini mexri 20c. H idaniki igrasia se afto to simio ine metaxi 70-80%, ala sti sinexia tha tin mionoume stadiaka mexri 40%
Ta parapano ta elenxoume me to thermo/igrometro pou exoume sto grow.

An imaste tora stis 10 meres peripou ke to fitaki exi megalosi to metafitevoume [transplant] stis telikes glastres. Kalo ine na ine pano apo 7Litra xoritikotitas. Gia efkolia ke asfalia ta metafitevoume apotista dioti potizmena ine pio diskola ta pragmata.Prin valoume to dentraki potizoume to xoma mesa stis telikes glastres mexri na vgi nero apo tis tripes tis vasis. Afto ine poli simandiko dioti tha dimiourgithoun ‘dry pockets’ me apotelesma ta lipasmata den tha kratane se afta ta simia ke den tha megalonoun h rizes.
Se afto to simio theloume ipsili igrasia RH [relative humidity] sto growroom, an zorizomaste pou sinithos zorizomaste….. aftosxediazoume, me diaforous tropous gia na tin afxisoume p.x me vregmenes petsetes mesa klp

Defteri vdomada +, ta fita mas ine se vegetation katastasi, ta potizoume kathe 2-3 meres me ~250ml nero. An den imaste sigouri an theloun nero ta fita ite sikonoume ti glastra ke katalavenoume apo to varos, h an ta fila ton fiton ine pesmena,h xrisimopiiste to daxtilo sas na dite an to xoma ine igro kato apo tin epifania. Kalo ine se afto to simio na arxisoume na rixnoume ke liga lipasmata se mikroteres posotites apo oti protinete apo ton kataskevasti. Ean to xoma pou xrisimopioume den ine kalis piotitas isos lipasmata xriastoun noritera. An ta fita kitrinizoun ta kato fila rixnoume amesos apo ta veg lipasmata pou ine ipsila se N gia na stamatisoume ta parapona tou fitou.
H lamba tora prepi na exi katevi….. den xero poso exartate tin lamba, ala enas efkolos tropos ine na valoume to xeri kato apo tin lamba ke to kratame 5’’ sto ipsos tis korifis ton fiton. An mas kei, kei ke ta fita.

Isos tora ine I katalili ora na girisoume to fos se 12/12, ipologizoume oti apo afto to simio ke tis epomenes 2 me 3 vdomades to fito tha psilosi para poli grigora. Sinithos x2 h x3 to ipsos tou ala sxedon panda pezi rolo h genetiki tou sporou. Ta fita tipou Sativa isos meriki growers na protimisoun 12/12 apo tin arxi dioti pendaplasiazonde ke exaplasiazonde sto ipsos. Sta fita tipou indica isxii pio poli to x2-x3. Oxi ola, ala stin pliopsifia toulaxiston.[iparxoun ivridia pou apo 15cm ginonde 85cm] .
Se periptosi pou exoume mono indica strains sto grow sinexizoume to veg gia teseris evdomades. Aftes h ratses dixnoun sex meta teseris vdomades veg. Kitate prosektika pano apo to tetarto node
Apo do ke pera efoson alaxame ti fotoperiodo [h meta tin tetarti vdomada veg] prepi na elenxoume ta fita mas etsi oste na prosdiorisoume to filo tous [sex/ing]. Emas mas endiaferi se afto to grow mono to thiliko fito [female plant]. Ine afto pou paragi to ‘anthos’ pou kinigame. To arseniko [male] paragi giri [pollen] kati pou den mas endiaferi katholou tora. I diafores tous ine efdiakrites ke molis endopizoume arsenika fita ta vgazoume ke ta petame amesos. Min ta kratate gia omorfia giati tha katalixete me sporous andi gia founda sto telos. Ektos ta M/F iparxoun ke ta ermafrodita fita [Hermi \Hermaphrodite] Afta dixnoun thilika ke arsenika xaraktiristika sto idio fito. Den ta theloume sto grow! gia ton idio logo pou den theloume ke ta arsenika. An thelete na to kratisete prepi sinexia na kovete ta male preflowers amesos molis emfanizonde. Se afti tin periptosi to grow sas the vgali liga sporgia logo tou oti kapio sack tha xefevgi .

Tora pou ta fita ine sto Preflowering ke mas exi piasi panikos mi mas desoun, ta potizoume kathe mera me mexri 400ml [kapxi isos diafonoun gia ton tropo potizmatos] dinoume ena koktail apo lipasmata pou apotelite ke apo fosforo se mikres posotites ke megaliteres se nitrika dioti anaptisonde ragdea ke theloun oli tin dinami pou mporoun na vgaloun, na ta dosoun ola pos to lene.
Oti patenda ixame ftiaxi gia na kratame to RH psila, to xefortonomaste. Tora theloume na katevazoume tin igrasia pou apoteli kindino mouxlas gia ta foundakia [bud rot]
Otan teliosi to tendoma ke stamatisoun na pernoun ipsos tha paratirisete oti sxedon pote den vgenoun ola ta fita sto idio ipsos akoma ke an ine ola to idio strain. Gia omiomorfi dianomi fotos kato apo tin lamba topothetiste ta pio konda fita, ta pio psila stis akres tou grow sta ‘tixomata’. Etsi katevazoume pio konda tin lamba sta fita xoris na kapsoume kana dio tris teseris korifes.
Exondas perasi 3 evdomades to fito arxizi ke paragi oloena ke pio poli anthos, ta pistils psaxnoun arseniki giri ston aera ke oso den vriskoun olo ke megalonoun perisotero mera me ti mera. Ala afti h paragogi den singrinete me to poso apodidi to fito tis dio teleftees evdomades prin to kopsoume. Tote paragi to 30% se anthos. Gi’ afto ipomoni.

Sinexizoume to flowering me tin tourbina exaerismou na mi klini pote ke potizoume me ipsilo organiko fosforo.

Otan ftasoume imerologiaka sti vdomada pou mas orizi o breeder oti prepi na ta kopsoume,arxizoume ke paratiroume tous papades an ta pistils, an exoun gini kafe kata to 50% an ne ine endaxi na kopsoume to fito. Exo paratirisi oti afto isxii peripou 6-10 meres apo tote pou protini o breeder. Iparxoun fisika ke tropi na kopi to fito akrivos stin ora tou, ala apo to deftero grow… [opios theli na lioni as to afisi mexri na ginoun ta pilstins 80% kafe].
Tin teleftea vdomada h dekaimero ta potizoume mono me nero mexri na trexi kato apo tis tripes katholou lipasma pleon [flush]. Tis teleftees 2-3 meres to exoume sinexia sto skotadi ke den to potizoume gia na to kopsoume xero. Protinete tis dio tris teleftees evdomades to fos na ine se 11/13 giati sfiggoun poli kala h papades.

Harvest : H pio orea mera tous telefteous 3+ mines!! Ala h kolasi tis anamonis den exi teliosi akoma... Giaftous pou nomizoun oti simera tha pxioun apo to diko tous xorto ke tha andamifthoun gia tin ora tous ke ton kopo tous.[@@] Sorry pedes, ala afto pou exete tora den pinete ke mi prospathisete. Tora prepi na xerathoun ta fita.
Aferoume ola ta megala fila [fan] ke ta mikra pou ine pano stous papades [manicure] ta kovoume me psalidi. Ta trimata [trim] pou menoun kratisteta na kanete kana tsai.
Kremaste tous papades h olo to dendro exartate ti theli o kathenas, anapoda se meros skotino me sxetika xamili igrasia [eos 50%RH] gia peripou deka meres. Prospathiste na min akoumbane h papades metaxi tous an ginete,… an den ginete kande to na gini. Ta elenxoume kathimerina gia mouxla. Ine etima otan ta klarakia den ligizoun ala spane an ta zorisete.

Tora ine etimo na kapnisti, ala se genikes grames den ine akoma etimo. Kratiste mia mikri posotita an den exete na kapnizete ke ton ongo balte ton se gialina vazakia na arxisi h diadikasia tou curing. Dite leptomeries edo, para poli kali perigrafi gia ena petiximeno curing apo ton filo mou ton Crowmax.
Tip: Spaste ena papa ke miriste to amesos, miriste to arketi ora ke sindiaste afti ti mirodia me kati etsi oste na mi tin xehasete, isos na mirizi lemoni,skordo,tsixlofouska,tsa i, otidipote ala prospathiste na tin siggratisete. Meta apo dio evdodes curing epanalavete na dite ti diafora ke xana ke xana kathe vdomada. Tha katalabete ti thelo na po………
Mi paralipete to curing ektos apo to iperoxo aroma pou kataligoun na exoun ta buds dinamonoun ke arketa. An thimaste to high apo ta tsigara stin arxi xoris curing tha exete katalavi oti den exi kamia sxesi me afto pou exete tora. Potent shit!

Logargiazmos DEH. Rixte mia matia sta timologia
Xondrika se normal katastasi mia 600w 18/6 = €30 to mina
mia 400w 18/6 = €20 to mina
12/12 600w = €20 to mina
12/12 400w= €13 to mina


Ola afta stin theoria. Stin praxi omos tha dite oti ta fita isos andimetopisoun orismena provlimata. Ola tous ta provlimata mast a dixnoun panda me ton idio tropo.
Simvouleftite ton parakato odigo se periptosi provlimaton. Den ine oti kalitero ala exoume kalipsi ta vasika.


1)An to provlima epireazi mono to kato h mesi tou fitou dite # 2. b) Ean to provlima afora mono tin korifi tou fitou proxorise sto # 10. Ean to provlima dixni na epireazi to sinolo tou fitou proxoriste sto # 6.

2) Ta fila ine omiomorfa elfri prasino h kitrino xroma, fila pethenoun ke peftoun. H anaptixi kathisteri >> Nitrogen(N) deficiency.. b) An oxi pigenete sto # 3.

3) H plaines akres ton filon girizoun pros ta pano [oxi ta tips] fenonde ‘diastrevlomena’Kitrinizoun ta fila [iparxi pithanotita na na kafetiasoun] ala h ines paramenoun prasines >> Magnesium (Mg) deficiency b) An oxi pigenete sto # 4.

4) Ta fila kaferiazoun h kitrinizoun.Dimiourgounde kitrina, kafe, ke necrotika simadia, idika stis akres ton filon, pou mpori na exoun girisi [curled] Mbori to fito na ine poli psilo. >> Potassium (K) deficiency.

5) Fila skouro prasino h kokino/Mov Φυλλα σκουρο πρασινο η κοκκινο / πορφυρου. O kormos ke to ‘kladi’ tou filou Kokino h Mov. Ta filakitrinizoun & kanoun curl pros ta kato,peftoun efkola,ke pezi argi anaptixi me ta fila na vgenoun mikra >> Phosphorus(P) deficiency. b) Ean oxi pigenete sto # 6.

6)H akres ton filon [tips] kitrinizoun h ginonde kafe ke pethenoun.O kendrikos kormos ine malakos.>> Over-fertilization [idika se Ν], h over-watering pou exi katastrepsi tis rizes, h den anapnei to xoma [xrisimopiite perliti] b) Ean oxi pigenete sto # 7.

7) Ta fila katsaronoun pros ta kato san to kerato apo kriari,to xroma ine skouroprasino,kafe,gri,h xrisafi >> Over-fertilization [ipervolika Ν]. b) Ean oxi pigenete sto # 8…

8) To fito gerni [wilted] akomi ke an to edafos ine igro. >> Over-fertilization, sinexia vregmeno xoma fthiri tis rizes >>copper deficiency [poli diskolo liges I pithanotites ala simveni] b) Ean oxi pigenete sto #9.

9) Ta fita den papadiazoun ke as imaste dio evdomades se 12/12 >> To grow den ine telios skotadi otan svini h lamba. Exi megales posotites se N ,poli kladema h klonopiisi b) Ean oxi pigenete sto # 10 ...

10) Ta fila ine lefka ala h ines ine prasines Iron (Fe) deficiency. . b ) Ean oxi pigenete sto # 11.

11) Ta fila ine prasina ke kitrinila exi arxisi apo ta perithoria [leaf margin ] k eta tips ke sinexizi pros ta mesa to kitrinisma.Pithanotita gia nekrotikes kilides anamesa stis ines tou filou Ala ta fila den exoun ‘diastrevlothi’ [twisted ]>> Manganese (Mn) deficiency . b) Ean oxi pigenete sto, # 12.

12) Ta fila ine twisted kai isxii oti ke sto #11. >> Zinc (Zn) deficiency. b ) Ean oxi pigenete sto # 13.

13) Fila girizoun[twist],kafetiazoun ke peftoun >> H lamba ine poli konda sto fito. Spanio ala pezi, a Calcium (Ca) or Boron (B) deficiency. b) Ean den…..isos aplos na exoume adinamo fito

Pests. Dite edo poli analitika pos na ta anagnorisete ke na ta exoudeterosete. Poli kalos odigos apo ton SWA

Tora tora pou exoun teliosi ola,Seat back relax apolafste ton kopo sas ke skeftite, poso tha to agorazate? pote itan h teleftea for a pou kapnisate xorto toso kalis piotitas? ke poso sas kostise an ixate pote pxi kati tetio? Kande proxirous ipologismous ke skeftite poso tha sas kostisi to deytro grow tora pou iparxi o exoplizmos me ola ta aparetita.

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