[CaptainDankness]

Originally Posted by Cannavore

The only person I've seen say repeal the 2nd amendment has been a reublican. Gun control does not equal gun confiscation.

Only problem with gun control is the right to bear arms is a right, not a privilege. We used to be able to own fully automatic rifles until the crime wave following the Volstead Act.

I think Al Capone and all where justified to break unjust laws personally. Just like I believe people who grow/sell drugs are justified to do so. We used to have whorehouses and opium dens everywhere used to be able to gamble as well, sure problems happened just not as bad as the roaring 20's to this day.

Drugs, prostitution and gambling should not be crimes. Of course selling fentanyl as heroin should be false advertisement and charged as negligent homicide if someone dies from falsely advertised drugs. Other than that I see no crime, you kill yourself with clean drugs, well sad, sad, but too fucking bad. Nobody gets in trouble if you drink yourself to death.

[igrowone]

Originally Posted by CaptainDankness

Only problem with gun control is the right to bear arms is a right, not a privilege. We used to be able to own fully automatic rifles until the crime wave following the Volstead Act.

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you're one of the few that seems to think that fully automatic firearms should be deregulated
if you take the 2nd amendment literally, i can see the interpretation
anyone else on the fully automatic bandwagon?

[shithawk420]

Originally Posted by CaptainDankness

Only problem with gun control is the right to bear arms is a right, not a privilege. We used to be able to own fully automatic rifles until the crime wave following the Volstead Act.

I think Al Capone and all where justified to break unjust laws personally. Just like I believe people who grow/sell drugs are justified to do so. We used to have whorehouses and opium dens everywhere used to be able to gamble as well, sure problems happened just not as bad as the roaring 20's to this day.

Drugs, prostitution and gambling should not be crimes. Of course selling fentanyl as heroin should be false advertisement and charged as negligent homicide if someone dies from falsely advertised drugs. Other than that I see no crime, you kill yourself with clean drugs, well sad, sad, but too fucking bad. Nobody gets in trouble if you drink yourself to death.

Your obviously an idiot and a kid.I'm from Chicago.if you think what AL Copone did is excusable you don't need to be on this site.in fact,you speak the opposite of what this site is about.get bent kid

[CaptainDankness]

Originally Posted by igrowone

you're one of the few that seems to think that fully automatic firearms should be deregulated
if you take the 2nd amendment literally, i can see the interpretation
anyone else on the fully automatic bandwagon?

Our merchant ships where armed with cannons to fend off pirates in George Washington's day. Also it's not hard to get a license to own fully automatic firearms they are still legalish, I can buy one if I truly wanted, legally. Only problem is they are expensive as fuck, I've looked into it.

You can also own explosives with the right licenses and shit, something else I can do legally, if I wanted to.

[CaptainDankness]

Originally Posted by shithawk420

Your obviously an idiot and a kid.I'm from Chicago.if you think what AL Copone did is excusable you don't need to be on this site.in fact,you speak the opposite of what this site is about.get bent kid

He's a big part of the reason I can purchase alcohol. The man is kind of a hero. Of course the gang violence was pretty bad, but he'd have been a nobody without prohibition.

If you are for prohibition, you probably shouldn't be on a cannabis site. I'm also 35 years old, but still a kid at heart.

[Cannavore]

How is Al Capone a hero? He benefitted from prohibition in the same way Mexican cartels do today. Theyre all scum and would be bums without prohibition. That doesn't make any one a hero.

[St. Phatty]

Originally Posted by igrowone

you're one of the few that seems to think that fully automatic firearms should be deregulated
if you take the 2nd amendment literally, i can see the interpretation
anyone else on the fully automatic bandwagon?

I'm semi-comfortable with the current laws.

As far as the 2nd amendment, it does not grant us the right to have whatever weapons the US gov. has. As much as I might enjoy having my own cruise missile armada, I do not interpret the 2nd Amendment as saying I have that right.

Where is the line drawn ? Currently, civilians in the US have access to almost everything the US gov has.

There's also an important legal detail - the law passed in October 2005, the "Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act".

I think that is a wierd law, because we live in a country where rear-ending somebody in a car, results in a near automatic payment in the 4 or 5 figures category to them.

It would be safe to say, America is a fairly litigious country.

When you look at the firearms manufacturing stats, rifle sales have really taken off since 2007. I'm not sure how connected that is to the Commerce in Arms Act.

But I do know that semi-auto's are surprisingly cheap. They've gone up about 10% since the February 14 Florida High School shooting.

There is an ongoing lawsuit by the Sandy Hook parents against Remington Bushmaster. I read an article yesterday where the author presented the reasons he thought the very recent Remington bankruptcy announcement is related to their legal strategy for dealing with the Sandy Hook lawsuit.

Long story short, semi-auto's are only cheap because they're doing production runs of 100 at a time (at the smaller shops). And, because the manufacturers can be semi confident they won't be held liable for whoever is killed with something they manufacture.

That confidence can go away overnight. So can the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act.

I sense that change is in the air.

Also, looking at the timeline of mass shootings, it seems to be transitioning from a mass shooting every year or 2 frequency, to the recent 3 mass shootings in 5 months.

It's sort of a sociological statistics judgment, but I would be surprised if 6 months passed without another such shooting.

If that happens, especially if it hurts one of society's more protected castes or groups, I think the pressure on politicians will be more than what it took for Trump to ban bump stocks.

[coldcanna]

Originally Posted by St. Phatty

Where is the line drawn ? Currently, civilians in the US have access to almost everything the US gov has.

I think people should be as armed as police and all other law enforcement. The whole point is to ensure that your other rights aren't infringed upon by authorities. It is typically the police/FBI/DEA etc. that does the infringing, its illegal for military members to conduct any type of police work in the United States therefor you don't hear of soldiers kicking in American doors.

The lefty BLM anti-cop crowd should agree with us on this one - if they're all corrupt pigs why aren't you guys equipped to protect your families? Its really not that different of a platform than libertarian milita anti-government types, they don't trust the government so they arm themselves against it.

I still want to hear the justification from ANY of the anti-gun people on here please! If your platform and train of thought is that police, authorities, and corporations are evil - why would you want to ban the only weapons that equalize the common citizens chance of defense against said authorities?

[CaptainDankness]

Originally Posted by Cannavore

How is Al Capone a hero? He benefitted from prohibition in the same way Mexican cartels do today. Theyre all scum and would be bums without prohibition. That doesn't make any one a hero.

No different than how Mr. Nice AKA Howard Marks became a somebody. He was the shit but wouldn't have been anyone without prohibition. Really, Sam The Skunkman and Nevil were also criminals at one point. Every single person who grows and sells cannabis or it's seeds are criminals. You think $100+ dollars for 10 seeds is possible in a legal market?

Even dispensaries charging $40-50 an eighth would not be possible if it was legal to do so. Most all of them would be bums if not for prohibition. I wouldn't go as far as to call everyone in the cannabis industry around the world scum, but here you are.

I guess one man's scum, is another man's freedom fighter.

[St. Phatty]

Originally Posted by coldcanna

I think people should be as armed as police and all other law enforcement. The whole point is to ensure that your other rights aren't infringed upon by authorities. It is typically the police/FBI/DEA etc. that does the infringing, its illegal for military members to conduct any type of police work in the United States therefor you don't hear of soldiers kicking in American doors.

The lefty BLM anti-cop crowd should agree with us on this one - if they're all corrupt pigs why aren't you guys equipped to protect your families? Its really not that different of a platform than libertarian milita anti-government types, they don't trust the government so they arm themselves against it.

I still want to hear the justification from ANY of the anti-gun people on here please! If your platform and train of thought is that police, authorities, and corporations are evil - why would you want to ban the only weapons that equalize the common citizens chance of defense against said authorities?

SECONDED !

It is odd how the conversation about school safety gets tied to this massive unsolve-able situation (100 million semi-auto's in the hands of private citizens.)

Schools are a soft target. They need to be a hardened target, in light of the unique American sort of like Civil War our society is engaged in.

Adding 2nd Amendment debate to the debate just makes a complicated situation more complicated. Guaranteeing that more months will pass before the problem is solved, which by definition increases the chance of another mass shooting.

America has a contrived Terror War for 16 years and learns NOTHING about hardening facilities ?!

Wouldn't buildings containing children be Priority #1 in terms of eliminating soft-ness in public places ?

I sense that our semi-elected officials have little intent on making schools safe, SEPARATE from laws on semi-auto's.

FVCKING IDIOTS !!!!!

Maybe it's the color of the barbed wire that's a problem. Does our idiot government have a Metrosexual Blockage ?

They could get Apple Computer to design some Spiffy looking barbed wire topped fences, with matching metal detectors.

QUESTION -
I think American schools could be hardened in a week. That means a whole bunch of metal detectors and a whole bunch of fences, installed and erected quickly -
because it's fucking urgent, kids being safe that is.

Could it be done in a week ?

What is a realistic schedule for a project like that ?