[Scrappy-doo]

Here is probably the most important piece of info I gathered from the comments. This is the guy who actually popped the seed, responding to Weasel and his version of the story:

growmoremids @kloppglass: I’m beginning to think that you are talking about a completely different plant than the Sour that I know. Now, I can’t really say what exactly transpired after I left NY in the fall of 96, but I certainly know what went down before. It seems that the upstate side of the story has been largely omitted from the general narrative — so here I am to try and shed some light. First. This was a series of happy accidents coupled with an equal number of unfortunate events. Sour was not intentionally bred. Secondly, Sour is not the daughter of Chem, she is the grand-daughter. Let me explain...

growmoremids:This all started in the early 90’s... Chem made her way to NYC. There was a group of us who were all brought together because of a shared love of the Grateful Dead, glass and good weed. Around this time the Chem started making her rounds... no one liked the name “Chem” and we collectively began referring to her as the Diesel. Diesel started of as a descriptive for anything we would pay $500+ an ounce for, to which the Chem/Diesel became the defacto standard. I was fortunate to have access and was lucky to collect a bean here and there when they would mysteriously end up at the bottom of a jar. Even though I wasn’t gardening at the time, I had the foresight to collect the beans. By the time it came to put the seeds in the dirt, whose to say how many different Chem crops my small purse of seeds came from. So whose the daddy? That is the million dollar question. And one I believe to be unanswerable without the help of science.

growmoremids:It wasn’t until the winter of 94-95 that these seeds were germinated. Swell and I got a place in upstate NY to start our first garden. I was supposed to get a Chem cut after I brought back a bunch of seeds from Amsterdam for my friend with the Chem; but you can guess how that went. No cut for you! Instead he gave me some RFK beans and some Kyle Kushman’s PK beans. Thank you!!!Fortunately, we had collected those Chem bag seeds. Out of the dozen or so seeds, only 3-4 made it to finish to which the #2 was selected as the keeper and revegged. The others were either hermed the f out or meh. But not the #2, she was a beaut. And what would you know— more happy accidents, seeds in the #2! So whose the daddy here? We can limit this to only a handful of potential donors. The RFK’s were banana factories. If I saw that shit today, it would get culled with a quickness... back then we didn’t know any better. The Chem seeds all showed hermed tendencies too... not quite like the RFK banana factories, but enough to notice. There were herm tendencies noticed in the #2 as well... so maybe these beans were selfed? It is certainly within the realm of possibility. Personally, I feel like the RFK is the responsible party...

growmoremids:The seeds from #2 were put away until winter of 95-96 when one of the homies came back to the east coast wanting to start a garden. I helped get his garden set up, gave him some cuts and a bag of beans labeled, “Our Diesel”, to which he added the “S” in front of the “our”for all the sour folks out there! Nothing to do with the smell, and everything to do with the play on words.
This is how THE Sour Diesel came to be. All others are just a lights

[bestothebest]

Damn that flips the whole story up. Thank you so much for saving this post onto IC.

[CareStaker]

The SD was around in 93, if I recall, was it not.

[lovemyladys]

Originally Posted by CareStaker

The SD was around in 93, if I recall, was it not.

I certainly remember her around North Jersey in early 90's

[MeltingPOT]

Lower off this last round.

[dank.frank]

To complicate matters...if you look at the Phylos Galaxy - what is passed as ECSD and AJ are in the same cluster. The AJ entered is legit entered by the guy who does the tv show on vice, weed etiquette or whatever it's called.

That maps shows that Chem '91 is a parent of the D and #4 - it does not show it as a parent of the ECSD/AJ. It does show it is directly related to the D and #4 however.

From the story posted above, Chem '91, ie Skunk Va, IS the original Diesel. Which has been stated before. So, Daywrecker, Original Diesel, Headband, etc - is chem '91, originally. However, if you grow what are kept as those two plants, they are certainly NOT the same. So, I wonder if what is passed as Original Diesel, is in fact the #2 plant they kept???

Crazy how much information has surfaced over the last couple years, how much of it is some what consistent and can be confirmed and how absolutely impossible it really is to know what things really are.

The only take away from it all - THE BEST CANNABIS - is never intentionally created. It happens in the rooms of small growers, in pursuit of their hobby, enjoying the plant and smoking with friends. It's all a great big wonderful accident! I love it!!!

Swallow that "breeders"!!! (myself included)



dank.Frank

[Cannavore]

Daywrecker/Headband/Original Diesel might not even be the same cut. I got access to klopp/weasels Headband cut and if it's the same one I've smoked forever in NY... it's better than Sour Diesel anyways (blasphemy! lol)


Just on a picture to picture basis, I always saw similarities between Chemdog #3 and the Original Diesel cut that goes around on here. The same one PF/Hammerhead used to grow.

[stoney917]

Chem3 may look similar but the 3 has close to no nose , not even in the same ballpark as original D

[Burt]

“The only take away from it all - THE BEST CANNABIS - is never intentionally created. It happens in the rooms of small growers, in pursuit of their hobby, enjoying the plant and smoking with friends. It's all a great big wonderful accident! I love it!!!”
I like this a lot and would take it even one step further by saying the best cannabis reproduces itself ��

[dank.frank]

Originally Posted by stoney917

Chem3 may look similar but the 3 has close to no nose , not even in the same ballpark as original D

Indeed. Chem 3 is a pretty potent plant and has an absolutely PERFECT growth structure. I mean, every plant should shape up the way she does. However, it really is so utterly bland and so absolutely without nose...

It is the PERFECT outdoor plant to run if you want someone to be within 5' of it and have no idea cannabis is being grown.

That is in no way a criticism. I'm not talking bad about the cut. I was blessed to be able to run her a few times. I let her go when asked to do so. Never passed it. It was very interesting to see how far apart the same family line could be.

It was great smoke though. Those I let smoke the flowers laughed at me. Stupid frosty. Great resin field density. Chunky as all could be. Smoke it though and you might as well chew dirt clods. That is, until it slapped you upside the skull and reminded you it was a chem family line.

But yeah, Stoney is right. ZERO nose to it that would lend any credence to it being part of the sour or diesel equation.









And really, all that aside, looks NOTHING like the currently accepted diesels.



dank.Frank