[Thcvhunter]

I was gonna weigh in, myself having extensive experience with landraces, heirlooms, and hybrids made from them. As well as having experience with ACE's lines over the years.

I was banned by Dubi for talking about how illegitimate ACE and Dubi are in ACE threads. So I was told not to talk about them in ACE forums.

But, This Is Not An ACE Thread
So why are we being attacked, censored, threatened again with a ban for speakingthe truth?

Because its BIG business.

ICMag runs on sponsors.
ACE/Dubi are sponsors. And they pay big money to ICMag to keep their story as the one that gets to stay on the site and anything and anyone that challenges their story gets banned and deleted.

Its public info, research how much ACE makes, above the table, per year selling seeds and the stories that sell those seeds.

Now you can see how there is this war over the truth and you can see who has the most to lose by the truth coming out.

Mustafunk does not have a seed company. He doesnt make money preserving seeds so he has no financial motivation to lie.
But because he does not make money doing this, he doesnt have the money to pay for a sponsorship spot here at ICMag and thus he gets threatened with yet another ban just because he is answering truthfully and even doing so in a non-ACE forum to not rock the boat.
Yet Dubi still has Gypsy Nirvana threatening Mustafunk and trying to discredit him.

Those of us in the preservation game were here before Dubi and know Mustafunk and the truth he shares. We also got to see the moves Dubi pulled to have this multi-million dollar a year business based off of Musta's and others' hard work on these lines.

Its unfortunate how Mafia-like all of this is - Dubi pulling the strings through his sponsorship funding of ICMag - but what most people don't understand is that the pot game is organized crime. This includes the seed business.
Price per gram of flower keeps falling, coming close to $1/gram. While price per seed keeps increasing. Lots of money at stake here.

Its a shame that one can follow the rules to speak the truth and help the community but because this truth threatens Dubi's multi-million dollar business, its being censored.

Like I said, I have a Lot to say on this issue but I wont because Im not allowed to because Dubi and his money run the show.

Already, Dubi has had all other members of Collective Vibes banned from ICMag forum, people who made the lines Dubi has hybridized and now sells for millioms a year.

Pease, please.

[MAHA KALA]

aside some personal rancune(not all people can love each other LOL), and conflict between socialism(not to sell landrace, as money is evil) and free market thinking(the money is only instrument, people are good or bad) I think the result of this thread is quite clear. Ace panama hybrid is so improved towards modern standards, that it is not suitable for people who are searching for old school panama red effect. of course for Ace it means no money from these people.

[WaterFarmFan]

There is a lot of butt-hurt in this thread. I find it very ironic that people are complaining others are making money instead of them. Drips of envy and greed from the supposed righteous... So what if Ace sells millions in seeds? It obviously takes a fuck ton of work to make that happen and provide the level of customer service that they do. They make the seeds and sell them. That is the free market. And if you are only getting a $1 a gram, your weed fucking sucks, bro!

[willydread]

(1 $/g.?? Wow!here is 10€/g,and more....)
leaving the discussion aside between Mustafunk & ace,i really dont understand why to sell landrace seeds is a problem,really,the most important thing is that there is transparency about the genetics and the characteristics of the strain ...i have panama from ace,but as a collection,because honestly it's not my high favorite, but it's exactly how the seedbank describes it....

[covert]

Here's some of the formula for the seed selling game as a whole...

1. Establish seedless cannabis as the gold standard.

2. Teach people to identify and remove males/hermaphrodites, all sources of pollen. Make them fear it even.

3. Sell only F1 seeds or plants no-one else can make.

4. Sell only feminised versions of those F1 seeds.

5. Reap the profits from all the suckers who are now seed buyers not makers.

[Thule]

Speaking as a seed bank customer and a landrace grower, when ever I buy seeds I have high hopes for them and I always try to get something special. In this country people get busted for ordering seeds so it's a massive risk! All those times when I bought a supposed landrace only for it to turn out looking like a hybrid, all that time invested and then lost, taking big risks in an illegal situation, it could all have been avoided if seedbanks were an honest business, or if we had a tool like Phylos Galaxy.

Well now we do! No more arguing about what is a pure sativa, if you're interested in the truth just type in the name of the strain and look it up! You'll be surprised. Or not.

[Water-]

Originally Posted by Thcvhunter

I was gonna weigh in, myself having extensive experience with landraces, heirlooms, and hybrids made from them. As well as having experience with ACE's lines over the years.

I was banned by Dubi for talking about how illegitimate ACE and Dubi are in ACE threads. So I was told not to talk about them in ACE forums.

But, This Is Not An ACE Thread
So why are we being attacked, censored, threatened again with a ban for speakingthe truth?

Because its BIG business.

ICMag runs on sponsors.
ACE/Dubi are sponsors. And they pay big money to ICMag to keep their story as the one that gets to stay on the site and anything and anyone that challenges their story gets banned and deleted.

Its public info, research how much ACE makes, above the table, per year selling seeds and the stories that sell those seeds.

Now you can see how there is this war over the truth and you can see who has the most to lose by the truth coming out.

Mustafunk does not have a seed company. He doesnt make money preserving seeds so he has no financial motivation to lie.
But because he does not make money doing this, he doesnt have the money to pay for a sponsorship spot here at ICMag and thus he gets threatened with yet another ban just because he is answering truthfully and even doing so in a non-ACE forum to not rock the boat.
Yet Dubi still has Gypsy Nirvana threatening Mustafunk and trying to discredit him.

Those of us in the preservation game were here before Dubi and know Mustafunk and the truth he shares. We also got to see the moves Dubi pulled to have this multi-million dollar a year business based off of Musta's and others' hard work on these lines.

Its unfortunate how Mafia-like all of this is - Dubi pulling the strings through his sponsorship funding of ICMag - but what most people don't understand is that the pot game is organized crime. This includes the seed business.
Price per gram of flower keeps falling, coming close to $1/gram. While price per seed keeps increasing. Lots of money at stake here.

Its a shame that one can follow the rules to speak the truth and help the community but because this truth threatens Dubi's multi-million dollar business, its being censored.

Like I said, I have a Lot to say on this issue but I wont because Im not allowed to because Dubi and his money run the show.

Already, Dubi has had all other members of Collective Vibes banned from ICMag forum, people who made the lines Dubi has hybridized and now sells for millioms a year.

Pease, please.

I think that you are full of bull shit.

you dont have extensive experiences with landraces or anything else you claim to be an authority on.

In the past you said you started growing ten years ago and that you now live in your car.

[Gypsy Nirvana]

I don't see any attack, or threats or bans or censoring right now.......Looks to me to be about a lot of drama over little or nothing.....reminds me of some sort of breeder soap opera...

People seem to like soap-operas.

Carry on......

Originally Posted by Thcvhunter

I was gonna weigh in, myself having extensive experience with landraces, heirlooms, and hybrids made from them. As well as having experience with ACE's lines over the years.

I was banned by Dubi for talking about how illegitimate ACE and Dubi are in ACE threads. So I was told not to talk about them in ACE forums.

But, This Is Not An ACE Thread
So why are we being attacked, censored, threatened again with a ban for speakingthe truth?

Because its BIG business.

ICMag runs on sponsors.
ACE/Dubi are sponsors. And they pay big money to ICMag to keep their story as the one that gets to stay on the site and anything and anyone that challenges their story gets banned and deleted.

Its public info, research how much ACE makes, above the table, per year selling seeds and the stories that sell those seeds.

Now you can see how there is this war over the truth and you can see who has the most to lose by the truth coming out.

Mustafunk does not have a seed company. He doesnt make money preserving seeds so he has no financial motivation to lie.
But because he does not make money doing this, he doesnt have the money to pay for a sponsorship spot here at ICMag and thus he gets threatened with yet another ban just because he is answering truthfully and even doing so in a non-ACE forum to not rock the boat.
Yet Dubi still has Gypsy Nirvana threatening Mustafunk and trying to discredit him.

Those of us in the preservation game were here before Dubi and know Mustafunk and the truth he shares. We also got to see the moves Dubi pulled to have this multi-million dollar a year business based off of Musta's and others' hard work on these lines.

Its unfortunate how Mafia-like all of this is - Dubi pulling the strings through his sponsorship funding of ICMag - but what most people don't understand is that the pot game is organized crime. This includes the seed business.
Price per gram of flower keeps falling, coming close to $1/gram. While price per seed keeps increasing. Lots of money at stake here.

Its a shame that one can follow the rules to speak the truth and help the community but because this truth threatens Dubi's multi-million dollar business, its being censored.

Like I said, I have a Lot to say on this issue but I wont because Im not allowed to because Dubi and his money run the show.

Already, Dubi has had all other members of Collective Vibes banned from ICMag forum, people who made the lines Dubi has hybridized and now sells for millioms a year.

Pease, please.

[covert]

I feel so fortunate being around this part of the internet at this point in time.

While all these debates go on, we get to witness history as it happens

You'll have a bona-fide stake in future old-timer clubs/get together/forums.

Originally Posted by Gypsy Nirvana

I don't see any attack, or threats or bans or censoring right now.......Looks to me to be about a lot of drama over little or nothing.....reminds me of some sort of breeder soap opera...

People seem to like soap-operas.

Carry on......

[dubi]

Originally Posted by Thcvhunter

I was gonna weigh in, myself having extensive experience with landraces, heirlooms, and hybrids made from them. As well as having experience with ACE's lines over the years.

I have yet to see a plant correctly grown by you or a proper presevation project achieved by you with your 'extensive breeding experience with landraces'. We all have only seen the cheap talk from a self claimed 'preservationist' for years.

Originally Posted by Thcvhunter

I was banned by Dubi for talking about how illegitimate ACE and Dubi are in ACE threads. So I was told not to talk about them in ACE forums.

ICMag runs on sponsors.
ACE/Dubi are sponsors. And they pay big money to ICMag to keep their story as the one that gets to stay on the site and anything and anyone that challenges their story gets banned and deleted.

ACE Seeds just pays here for a room and a banner, and at a very reasonable price, like dozens of other vendors do, we don't have any special threatment here in any way.

Both of you are doing enough by yourselves with your behaviour to get banned, and as far as i know you are still here freely throwing all your nonsense.

Originally Posted by Thcvhunter

Its public info, research how much ACE makes, above the table, per year selling seeds and the stories that sell those seeds.

May i know where do you get this info ? Maybe i'm rich and i didn't know. I sell seeds, i don't sell stories or cheap talks.

Originally Posted by Thcvhunter

Now you can see how there is this war over the truth and you can see who has the most to lose by the truth coming out.

Mustafunk does not have a seed company. He doesnt make money preserving seeds so he has no financial motivation to lie.

You may find it a war, but it's not for me. Your 'truth' is not true, you simply talk about situations, people and lines that you don't know from first hand experience, with the only aim to hurt others and feed your ego. I don't know what are your intentions behind all these harrasment (whether there is financial motivation or not), and honestly i don't care, but what it is clear is that you are not acting properly. Both of you are not victims of this situation, you are the ones provoking all this with your constant trolling for years.

Originally Posted by Thcvhunter

Yet Dubi still has Gypsy Nirvana threatening Mustafunk and trying to discredit him.

Is this a joke ? Who am i to ask Gypsy or other moderators how to moderate this place ?

Originally Posted by Thcvhunter

Already, Dubi has had all other members of Collective Vibes banned from ICMag forum, people who made the lines Dubi has hybridized and now sells for millioms a year.

Again with the Vibes collective thing. Have you been involved in Vibes collective to know what are you talking about ? Because I was there and i never see you. Who are the Vibes members that i have banned ? I have never banned anyone here neither i have had this privilege, neither i want.

I have never used any line shared at Vibes collective to release anything commercially through ACE Seeds. On the other hand, i was there helping growers to preserve lines and sharing my own landraces with them: like Kalinga, Sri Lanka or Chinese Yunnan just to name a few. I was at Vibes collective to help, not to get anything from others.

You don't know what you are talking about, you don't know me, you don't know the people who has worked or works in our company, you don't know how our company works, you are simply brainwashed. If you have any doubt about people being banned or leaving the forums please address your questions to the moderators of the site.

To the rest of the people here: I decided years ago to don't go out from ACE Seeds room unless i need to. And it happened only twice when i had to defend myself and my company from the trolling coming from these 2 clowns. I hope all this situation can come to an end so i can go back again to my room to help growers there.

I wish i had more time to reply growers in our room, faster and better, i just don't have enough time, but i do my best. And that's the only place (ACE Seeds room) where i feel completely confortable posting, it is not my intention to post in other rooms in these forums, so my posts can never be interpreted like i'm trying to convince or influence users to buy our seeds with my comments.

The work done at ACE Seeds is well documented by us and by objective grow diaries from growers from around all the world posting for years. Our strain descriptions are detailed, clear and honest, we never try to pretend to sell anything that doesn't match with the description of our strains. We share cannabinoid and terpene results of our lines and from the parental plants we use to produce our seeds, even our parental plants will be genetically analyzed at Phylos in the upcoming months/years to really show what they are.

We are very transparent about we do and about our breeding, and we explain in detail any change that could have been made to any line. If you can find another seed company that shares so much info about their lines and spend so much time with their customers please let me know.

And i never pretend that everyone like our seeds, and our seeds are probably not for everyone, our seedbank is not mainstream, we could be selling strains with a much more commercial profile instead of offering landrace and sativa hybrids of more than 12 weeks of flowering time. If you like our seeds good, if you don't like no problem, but this trolling campaing from these 2 persons and others brainwashed by them is unacceptable.

I think any adult here with a clear mind will be able to distinguish what is happening here.

Thank you. Have a good day everyone.