[Dog Star]

Am somewhere read on turbo potent Uzbeki that made you much laughing...

tough i dont remember where i read it..

[Bob Green]

I know that i pitched in a pack of X18 seeds to help USC, and after he received them Cris never even said thanks. Matter of fact he was asking for them on a G man Mason spot saying he would repay the community by sharing seeds he made with what people like me had donated per his request. If he never bothered saying thanks do you think this guy ever showed back up to repay the favor he requested? FK no not a chance. Did he rip me off no. Was he dishonest about his intentions only to flake in the end absolutely.

This is just one example of why folks are gun shy to share genetics with commercial breeders. I could have given that pack to a much more deserving cause but the lesson learned was priceless. Friends are there to share and trade. Business men are there for one reason to conduct business. Not all people who sell seed are pure business but most are.

[covert]

Originally Posted by Bob Green

I know that i pitched in a pack of X18 seeds to help USC, and after he received them Cris never even said thanks. Matter of fact he was asking for them on a G man Mason spot saying he would repay the community by sharing seeds he made with what people like me had donated per his request. If he never bothered saying thanks do you think this guy ever showed back up to repay the favor he requested? FK no not a chance. Did he rip me off no. Was he dishonest about his intentions only to flake in the end absolutely.

This is just one example of why folks are gun shy to share genetics with commercial breeders. I could have given that pack to a much more deserving cause but the lesson learned was priceless. Friends are there to share and trade. Business men are there for one reason to conduct business. Not all people who sell seed are pure business but most are.

All I'll say is that the sort of guys you write about in your second paragraph will be a dying breed in my view.

I think there's a type of “gentleman grower” who will begin to appear as cannabis usage increases in populations. These people will generally not be earning any money from their crop and will be doing it purely as a hobby and for personal stashes. This sort of grower usualy networks with like minded people and in the legal to grow scenario this sort of hobby grower networks will make the former system of dealer/corruptible growers to one of hobbyist/gentlemanly growers.

Just trying to see the future in a different environment to the present in most of the world.

[Bob Green]

Originally Posted by covert

All I'll say is that the sort of guys you write about in your second paragraph will be a dying breed in my view.

I think there's a type of “gentleman grower” who will begin to appear as cannabis usage increases in populations. These people will generally not be earning any money from their crop and will be doing it purely as a hobby and for personal stashes. This sort of grower usualy networks with like minded people and in the legal to grow scenario this sort of hobby grower networks will make the former system of dealer/corruptible growers to one of hobbyist/gentlemanly growers.

Just trying to see the future in a different environment to the present in most of the world.

I totally agree with you on that. Rise of the hacks has arrived hahaha! What you speak of is already happening more every day. People making crosses they like and sharing them freely. Very rarely do i plant something that was purchased. I would much rather run things I made or things my friends made.

[Mustafunk]

Originally Posted by yesum

I respect the 'preservers' but think sharing is the right way.

In fact this has been the case with LMN's works for decades... the Uzbekis have been shared along in the Spanish speaking forums for years among some others, no restrictions whatsoever. This favored them to end spreaded all over South America and Spain, in fact up to 3 or 4 different seed companies from Spain are using the Uzbeki or other lines sourced from LMN nowadays including Geneseeds, Kannabia and Oldschool Genetics.

It's just that no one had the balls to sell them in pure form out of respect after he passed away because those were his wishes, at least in Spanish and S. America where everyone knew and had big respect for him.

Originally Posted by Bob Green

I know that i pitched in a pack of X18 seeds to help USC, and after he received them Cris never even said thanks.

I know man, he did the same with the X18/PTK hybrid I've received from Raco after I've offered him some nice hashplant seeds after he started his threads looking for pure X18 and so on, and even though I told him it was a private breeding work because I knew he had a seed company and he said "sure bro, only for private testing" like a little bitch, then the guy even had the balls to drop me a PM a few months after asking for more seeds! Unveliebable. I knew it man, I have a con radar now after all this years giving out seeds to everyone and hearing the same shit all the time LOL

Originally Posted by FatBoy707'

Are there any new strains for 2014 from Underground Seed Collective

Originally Posted by Cristalin

Hé

Yes for my part:

Cristal: uzebek 8th génération x (X18 x pine tar kush)

Triple paki: wild paki from Lala x (X18 * pine tar kush)

Ciao

https://www.opengrow.com/topic/47934...ed-collective/

https://www.opengrow.com/topic/51767.../page__st__140

Characteristics of Triple Pakistan of Underground Seeds Collective:

Name: triple Pakistan

Genetics: (X18 x PTK) x Wild Pakistan

80 % Indica / 20 % sativa

[EvergreenState]

I would answer the original posters' question with, don't concern yourself with landrace or "pure" landrace. I would have bet anyone a million dollars that this discussion would have veered off in exactly the direction it has when I saw the word, "landrace". The elders of the marijuana church come out with the gospel and throw the sinners into the pit of fire.
The marijuana plant enhances and sparks great creativity. It's only natural then that people will use the plant in very creative ways by creating new plants. Go with the flow of the plant; don't fight it.
Many people have created many, many wonderful mostly indica plants and god bless them for that. Take advantage of that and have fun.

[Gr33nSanta]

Originally Posted by Bob Green

I totally agree with you on that. Rise of the hacks has arrived hahaha! What you speak of is already happening more every day. People making crosses they like and sharing them freely. Very rarely do i plant something that was purchased. I would much rather run things I made or things my friends made.

I am getting there, though I have had to purchase a lot of genetics to get to where I am at now.

Of the 20 some seeds I started recently, most are my own crosses, some are getting pretty deep, no one could possibly be close to having what I have.

Not that it is the best, but it's unique, which makes it special to me and to everyone around me.

I typically help friends out with multiple cultivars in one bag, commonly known as fruit salad around here. Some friends have the decency of letting me know when they have enjoyed a cultivar and bring a sample back to me so I can identify and get to know what they like.

Always so rewarding when the bud they bring back is from a seed I made, that stuff was dynamite!! makes my day.

[Farmer John]

Originally Posted by Sam_Skunkman

One more point I see a lot of posts that people are conserving or preserving a landrace, or trying to.
The simple truth is that unless you grow 1000+ females and 1000+ males from seeds, you are not conserving all the genes in any landrace. Each year you reproduce the landrace variety with smaller populations you are losing genes and altering the variety, in 10-20 years it is just not the same.

Cannabis is a dioecious obligate outcrossed and requires large plant numbers to keep all the genes maintained in a landrace, no one is doing this in the West, at least in the past.

Crossa, J. et al. 1993. Statistical genetic considerations for maintaining germ plasm collections. Theoretical and Applied Genetics 86: 673-678.

-SamS

Years have passed when we talked about this and after all these years it's still the truth we tried it with many landrace varieties in small, 100 and 100 populations and have found out that one has to start with huge populations and keep working with huge populations to keep "all" the genes in there and still I think it's impossible to do the work that nature does. My point is that I think the wild cultivars are better left wild and people should just concentrate on picking and weeding out good mothers for their own pleasure or small time breeding projects rather than dream of growing a valley full of plants and try to do mother natures work. Edit: excuse me for my poor english, no "wild" things but domesticated mustafunk.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Sam_Skunkman

The simple truth is that unless you grow 1000+ females and 1000+ males from seeds, you are not conserving all the genes in any landrace. Each year you reproduce the landrace variety with smaller populations you are losing genes and altering the variety, in 10-20 years it is just not the same.

Seeds that don't germinate don't preserve anything either.

[baduy]

As fascinating as the idea of preserving the entire gene pool of a landrace may be let's keep in mind every domesticated plant or animal living among us including ourselves is the result of severe inbreeding. Now human pressure on land combined with legal status of the plant is such that we don't have the space to save all those landraces in their full diversity, better try to maintain as much nice IBL as we can. Maybe one day humans will have the freedom to grow openly and with numbers the magic will happen again from those weak inbred lines