[redlaser]

Originally Posted by Rodehazrd

I am just building a raised bed in my 7x9 flower room and I see a lot of posts about K and Mg levels being hard to keep down in a no till bed. In addressing your issues what do you do to keep a balance? More gypsum?

I’m not sure if gypsum would help with the K and Mg, possibly using it to flush the soil somewhat would be helpful.

Probably going to basically dilute the soil mix I have by removing 1/3-1/2 of volume and replacing with more aeration and peat moss. Not a massive project, but not small either.

Looking back on making that mix, it’s a lot easier to add something if your short after making it, removing excess not as easy, if even possible

[redlaser]

Originally Posted by PaulieWaulie

You want to use less kelp because your test showed high K? I always thought that with such a low somewhat balanced NPK and all the other touted benefits people would put in way more than just 1/2 cup per cubic foot. I was thinking at least 1 cup. Thats just my thinking though, probably flawed. Where is the magnesium coming from ? Ive always been worried about not having a magnesium source if im not going to be using 1 cup dolomite lime per cubic foot mix. Hearing that magnesium can be more of a problem of being in excess in re used soils is good news, now I can maybe cut out buying Sul-Po-Mag

Removing the kelp should cut down the K, but mostly I’m cutting back on inputs coming from the ocean because of high sodium.

I’m not sure about the high magnesium, I suspect the rOck dust, but could be coming from somewhere else. Same with iron and zinc and aluminum, probably rock dust IMO.

I figured a lot of these inputs had a fair amount of leeway, meaning they weren’t available 100% from when applied, only partially available as they are broken down and made available.

This soil mix was watered in with Lactic acid bacteria and also had added homemade Bokashi, had 10% castings and 10% humus, so maybe that helped with making everything more available faster.

[VortexPower420]

Originally Posted by Weird

most every one showed their skirts when it came to the their true knowledge and more importantly their experience regarding this plant and it lead to a number of years of conflict here as I actually ran with the methodology and made it work no bullshit no shortcuts no games and even the mods where clueless and went with the flow

still here calling out bullshit and bullshitters putting my mother fucking money where my mouth is but I get it

most people have ulterior motives and are fucking stupid enough to think that there aren't people with the same motives and that those people don't see right through their fake asses

and i still get low life fucks like mikell trolling me about a differential they can't realize with their own skills, that is verified by science and is the difference in maintaining value in this market but be fucked if they don't come at me like a moth tot he flame.

yet none of them will take a 10-1 on their money bet that they are full of shit and it can be proven without a shadow of a doubt but let's face the reality

if they deny the variation of expression due environmental difference your either a neophyte or an outright liar and if they can't get like primary metabolite growth using all methodology they don't even have an apples to apples foundation to compare secondary expression aka phenotype versus chemotype and the differences in how they react to environmental inputs

really gross the amount of diversion and distraction that came from people only looking to lower the bar on the spread sustainable and organic practices

I am still here sharing for no purpose other than to show the influence of those who contributed before me out of gratitude

but I got a lot of nice gardens to be grateful about maybe if people real motives was a proper garden for everyone this bullshit would never happen

but hey this isn't aimed at you but boy am I still pissed at everything that went down and at the malignancy that people brought to this community

Even burn one took off for a while and as much as people might point to me for confronting the problem it was people trying to siphon the resources of this sight and slight the competing contributions that ruined it

like I said karma is its own reward and is still coming around to roost and I am here to watch it and I was here warning about it and providing contribution without a fucked up agenda

I am one of the only mother fuckers on the web who hasn't been working a seed/pot/supply company agenda in the background trying to network the fuck out of connects in a simple open source forum but simply sharing my success in a very competitive market

and gypsy wonders why I am so pissed, it is the collective resource of all those who contributed and in some way they all get fucked when this happens

live and learn, swim or sink, ill still be growing weed long after the gold rush comes and goes

Fuckin A Weird, Here here to that. Keeping it real is the way to go.

I'm going to start coming back around these parts hopefully to spread some sustainable biological knowledge.

I have always admired you style and bluntness, its whats needed is the world of scamers, profit hawks and misinformation.

[VortexPower420]

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[Weird]

Originally Posted by VortexPower420

Fuckin A Weird, Here here to that. Keeping it real is the way to go.

I'm going to start coming back around these parts hopefully to spread some sustainable biological knowledge.

I have always admired you style and bluntness, its whats needed is the world of scamers, profit hawks and misinformation.

Thanks, it is so hard for people to understand my point of view. I have been making the same arguments for years. However there isn't one argument I have made here in the past ten years be it with the los crew, sam, tom, gypsy or a plethora of other big names and personalities in the business that wasn't in the interest of ALL PARTIES INVOLVED including the person I was arguing with.

This isn't a hippy parlor trick, as the same dynamic played out in the upper echelon of the IT industry I was apart of and the very same insight turned out to be true, the fruits of which either made people rich or destroyed them based on how they received the information.

It very much has to do with my mind, my decisions and my action applied to a very specific set of circumstances, the insights of which gives me a view of hte world and human nature that most people are detached from

The is no intelligence I bring to the table that is elusive of less capable minds, I wouldn't push people to recognize what they did not have the capacity to see.

Rather my insight has everything to do with the human condition and how the perception there of is biased with desire and how that influences outcome.

A life spending my life working with logic and integrating, supporting people and technology was a good basis for understanding the paradigms of the mind and how we engineer them through out own behavior.

Add to that the challenge of managing extreme physiological mental illness, the decades of experience I have doing so both in classical/formal settings and as a shaman whose relationship with the plant has been cultivated throughout my life as well but more importantly 25 years of direct experience growing for medicinal purposes.

Every bit of science I reference I observed first as a phenomenon and simply sought research that verified it. From business to horticulture the experience I bring to the table is vast.

People confuse income, even substantial income as validation of success in today's world and not the outcome of efforts applied. Same with growing, most people use very shallow metrics to judge their own works when you compare their determinants that they use to value their own success versus the ultimate potential of the plant.

There are so many facets to being successful with this plant and with the legalization of cannabis that haven't been able to be discussed because of the awful conduct here by immature and inappropriate personalities.

I appreciate they have a place to go but they are keeping everyone from reaching a full potential including the plants in their gardens as long as they don't take ownership of their ownership of their delusional and detrimental mindsets and the limits they impose on this forum.

Me, personally I rise to top in the chaos of the human condition which only helps establish value so in contrast to a lack there of so at some point trying to get people to take their heads out of their asses doesn't promise to keep my life so easy it takes no work to compete.

Yet I still haven't abandoned the notion that it would better if everyone raised the bar even if it meant I had to work more to maintain it.

Hard to understand how someone could maintain a mindset like mine until of course you reap the fruits of said mindset, which for me are measured in the results they have on elevating the human experience beyond the lowest limits of the human condition. First for myself, then for others and not for the benefit of all humanity.

Basically altruism pays off more than narcissism but most people can't leave the one realm long enough to see the benefits of the other.

Of course it isn't easy to go against the grain especially in a counter culture but if it really is about humanity and the way of the world is narcissism than going against the grain is part and parcel of elevating humanity.

However don't confuse altruism with selflessness, because it really requires that humanity as a whole benefit from the behavior including ourselves so it really is a sum is greater than the parts of the whole.

The concept itself is also revealed in the lotus sutra and is the basis of the buddhism practiced here.

Thank you for the support, it is never easy to go against the grain when your ultimate outcome is harmony because there is no reward in how it makes me feel, the only reward is in harmonious outcomes.

Nam Myoho Renge Kyo this thread most certainly needs/deserves it

[Mikell]

You grind that axe any longer and you'll be chopping wood with a stick.

If they don't believe your truth, maybe the problem isn't the message, but the messenger.

Best to stick to this subforum. Seem to get your nose bloodied everytime you step out.

[Weird]

Originally Posted by Mikell

You grind that axe any longer and you'll be chopping wood with a stick.

if you contribute to an organics thread with anything productive you might stop wasting time and bandwidth

if you stopped defending your lack of wherewithal you might learn something

if you had any experience with the plant you would understand the differences between a plants primary and secondary metabolite expression among variable environmental cues and have something to say other than poke fun at the terminology

if you actually plied the methods you regurgitate as if you mastered them you would have a different set of experiences and feedback to share

all you got is trying to ride my dick like a number of cliques have tried to do out of ignorance.

Yet here I am, living the dream without any of the same pains or complaints other than being stifled in sharing free information on the web in gratitude

and because I am successfully self reliant I am not afraid to be completely honest and call you out for being a complete antagonist without purpose or benefit other than to fulfill some malignant void in your being

funny thing is you don't think I notice the effects my words have had from the very beginning on the very circles I have heard them your also sadly mistaken

nice contributions in the way of putting your money where your mouth is

[PaulieWaulie]

As a newcomer after all this "stuff" occurred, I enjoy and appreciate weird's organic growing style,experience and results, and have always thought mikell made clever and funny put comments. I think there's a place for both of you here

Kind of why I am sticking around on icmag, even though the site and code is like 90's outdated (ugliest shades of green Ive ever seen), and the uploading pictures process and image downgrading being absolutely horrible to the point where I cower at the though of making a post myself of my grow, I find myself sticking around cause of all you oldtimers, each of your stories, and the history between you people.

[Mikell]

You can learn a shit ton from Weird if you filter out all the emotional ranting. I did and do. But good luck to you if you happen to disagree on a few points. See above book length posts.

Ah your ol' laundry list of assumptions. I see you added dick rider.

Besides preaching down the pulpit here (or trolling the Fertilizer subforum), what else do you contribute? I rarely see hide nor hair of you in the Infirmary or elsewhere, unless you've come to start an argument.

Maybe I'm wearing the same set of blinkers as you and only see the negative.

[Mate Dave]

I have started my own living soil out here in the Campo. I have started with horse shit & landslide. That will rest for 2 weeks till I return & amend it with more OM before testing it, I have a lab that can test in the local big town so I hope to be able to do leaf soil analysis all season & learn some new things. I'm going to spend as lil as is possible.. I am keen on applying Snow's theory on Ca & will get that right up in the 70's & I have some Vetch & oilseed reddish & some Clover & mustards to prevent erosion & create some fertility & give some biodiversity.

I won't even entertain Tim Hill or Coot or Stand mix as it seems to no do so well & there is too much no necessary things in it for where I am. Soil is soil if it's @ optimum that's it.. No need to copy everything, N is N P is P & K. I want to use local stuff from inside the Valley I'm in no import of supeflorious- unnecessary & excessive stuff cos it sounds cool on a forum.

I'm finding all this theory on soil boring as nobody has any analysis to show their side. I'm going back to work now.. Speak soon