[REALPOTency]

Black Kandahar x Kashmir( Bodhi seeds) tester free

2males

the odor is complex 1is soft menthol and the 2 is more onion spiced background,

i cant tell is a pure indica, i see some %sativa but i need flower soon,
1keeper female complex odor like new plastic card,

[Thcvhunter]

How can he say 1964 when the Affy (MiS) didnt arrive in Cali until '68?

[ambertrichome]

Originally Posted by Thcvhunter

How can he say 1964 when the Affy (MiS) didnt arrive in Cali until '68?

Uncle Fester Joined the Hells Angels, in 1964, and his marijuana breeding began then.

Sacred Seeds starting collecting seeds in the 40s, and Romulan was "Possibly" the first Indica Dominant strain in the USA.

Romulan came from Korea,in the early 50s, and later on Federation Seeds got the genetics, and has been crossed up from what it was originally.

But Indica has been in USA before 1968. Beatnicks were treking to Afghanistan, Nepal, and India in the 50s, and were 100% for sure bringing shit back. You used to be able to drive from Europe, to Afghanistan/India.
Taxonomoy speaking.... ALL Dug Cannabis is INDICA.

[Sam_Skunkman]

Really,
Sacred Seeds started collecting in the 40s?
Not true, just a fake made up news story.
I started Sacred Seeds in 1975, named it, and collected, grew and bred all the seeds sold by Sacred Seeds and collected during my international travels and from my grower friends.
I hope your other "facts" are true but I doubt it.
I never saw WLD Indicas pre 1960's in the USA, I traveled to Afghanistan in 1971 (hitch hiked from N Africa) and then I did. I do not know who was first to grow WLD Indica on the West coast USA, but it was not me.

You are correct that all drug Cannabis is Indica be they WLD or NLD, I stated this on one of my first releases in the mid 70's S Indian Kerala seeds a NLD variety I collected in Munnar Kerala, from the farmers in the mountains, the package states Cannabis Indica on it and shows a NLD from Kerala.
-SamS

Originally Posted by ambertrichome

Uncle Fester Joined the Hells Angels, in 1964, and his marijuana breeding began then.

Sacred Seeds starting collecting seeds in the 40s, and Romulan was "Possibly" the first Indica Dominant strain in the USA.

Romulan came from Korea,in the early 50s, and later on Federation Seeds got the genetics, and has been crossed up from what it was originally.

But Indica has been in USA before 1968. Beatnicks were treking to Afghanistan, Nepal, and India in the 50s, and were 100% for sure bringing shit back. You used to be able to drive from Europe, to Afghanistan/India.
Taxonomoy speaking.... ALL Dug Cannabis is INDICA.

[Avinash.miles]

i have become a big fan of deep chunk as a heavy indica, is it considered a landrace?

[oldbootz]

Deep Chunk is a IBL developed from landrace.

[Sam_Skunkman]

One more point I see a lot of posts that people are conserving or preserving a landrace, or trying to.
The simple truth is that unless you grow 1000+ females and 1000+ males from seeds, you are not conserving all the genes in any landrace. Each year you reproduce the landrace variety with smaller populations you are losing genes and altering the variety, in 10-20 years it is just not the same.

Cannabis is a dioecious obligate outcrossed and requires large plant numbers to keep all the genes maintained in a landrace, no one is doing this in the West, at least in the past.

Crossa, J. et al. 1993. Statistical genetic considerations for maintaining germ plasm collections. Theoretical and Applied Genetics 86: 673-678.

-SamS

[Coughie]

Which is why the preservation efforts eventually turn these landraces into heirlooms, as is the case with Deep Chunk.

Preservation at this time is equally accomplished by both the open pollination of individuals of the largest population that can be done safely, but also with making sure to stretch these reproductions out over time to lessen the amount of degradation/generations to the gene pool before the political climate changes.

Of course, in any case, genetics are effected in the sense of a bottleneck/founder effect, regardless of how many plants you have... 1000+ or not, over the long run, it's eventually not Afghani if it's not in Afghanistan.

It doesn't mean preservation efforts aren't important though.

[Sam_Skunkman]

Originally Posted by Coughie

Which is why the preservation efforts eventually turn these landraces into heirlooms, as is the case with Deep Chunk.

Preservation at this time is equally accomplished by both the open pollination of individuals of the largest population that can be done safely, but also with making sure to stretch these reproductions out over time to lessen the amount of degradation/generations to the gene pool before the political climate changes.

Of course, in any case, genetics are effected in the sense of a bottleneck/founder effect, regardless of how many plants you have... 1000+ or not, over the long run, it's eventually not Afghani if it's not in Afghanistan.

It doesn't mean preservation efforts aren't important though.

If you do not use 1000 males and 1000 females I can assure you genes are being lost and that is not preservation of a landrace.

I also disagree that an Afghani population will have different genes if it is reproduced in Afghanistan or the same seeds were reproduced in S Cali, not that any growers in Cali are doing open pollinated crops of landraces with populations in the thousands from seeds that are directly from a landrace, but they could.
Also 1000+ M & 1000+ F is just the minimum needed to prevent loss of genes every reproduction cycle, if you want to breed and improve the landrace, instead of just preserve it, you may want many thousands of plants? I would. Then I could trash losers and keep the quality as high as possible.

Preservation done with the best intentions by using open pollination, but not the numbers of plants required is not real preservation, specially after a few decades....
-SamS

[Zeez]

Interesting thread. I'm curious if the environment, if different from the place origin, effects the direction of the strain. Even with 1000+ phenos, the ones best suited to the new environment would prosper and pass traits.