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I've had psilocybe extracts clean enough that a sufficient (strong) dose was less than 0.25cc of tincture. Extracted from mycellium, not fruited bodies (mushrooms). It takes more than a simple alcohol/solvent extraction to make something very potent like this and not just purple sludge. I believe they did an acid-base extraction and had to go back and forth from base to salt form several times, similar to DMT. Still, this will pull ALL of the alkaloids together (psilocin, psilocybin, baeocystin, norbaeocystin and others). Separating them from each other would likely require chromotography or something. Something similar is done with San Pedro cactus to make what they call "Pan Pedro crystals" as they contain about 1/2 mescaline and 1/2 other alkaloids but will still crystalize into beautiful formations. Separated from the other alkaloids, mescaline sulfate crystals are very striking. Long needles just 1/16" wide by 1-2" long. But actual crystals of psilocin/psilocybin would be very difficult. Psilocybin isn't very stable and wants to break down into psilocin in the presence of heat/air.
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The article Shulgin mentions can also be interpreted as enzymatic breakdown of psilocybin by the water in the solvent - producing the psilocin. It's a lot like THCA and THC I think. The problem with sassafras root bark I should clarify is nonaggressive nonpolar solvent against a tree. High enough pressure and maybe some ethanol sure it's possible if you're already set up for it. How to conveniently reduce the outside of a sassafras taproot to an extractable form?
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This seems to be one of the better explanations of the process:
https://www.trufflemagic.com/blog/si...in-extraction/ Simple Method of Psilocybin Extraction - Peter de Boer Quote:
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Dry and powder, Soxhlet with methanol for a few hours or until a color test is negative - maybe nonpolar defat then methanol extract. Psilocybin is quite stable, except in water especially with phosphatases and oxygen, but the first step is to psilocin - which is much less stable now without that phosphate ester protecting it from oxidation. It recrystallizes from 120 parts of boiling methanol, and has also been crystallized by adding hot dry IPA to hot concentrated methanol solution until precipitation starts, adding the minimum amount of methanol to clear the solution, and freezing. Crystals this way, from methanol, or 20 parts boiling water contain solvent of crystallization. The melting point after heat or vacuum is above 200, so it won't be easy to vape.
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The mycellium extract (vs. the mushroom extract) is said to have a higher psiocybin to psilocin ratio. In my experience, I've found higher psilocybin content extracts (and 4-AcO-DMT but that's another story) to be preferable to straight psilocin (4-HO-DMT). All three pure or near pure compunds are preferable to older dried mushrooms which likely contain higher ratios of baeocystin and norbaeocystin and other breakdown products to psilocin/psilocybin. The latter generally makes me feel a bit more icky and slimy.
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Here's a couple of follow ups to the above, https://erowid.org/archive/rhodium/p...ed.culture.pdf https://erowid.org/archive/rhodium/c...xtraction.html
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Regarding using BHO .....
Molecules 2012, 17, 10550-10573; doi:10.3390/molecules170910550 I have the full article but it is probably too long to post. Essentially, it is totally feasible to extract other volatile oils via SFE if not yielding higher returns than H2O steam distillation. Last edited by merkaba; 03-11-2018 at 02:09 PM.. Reason: clarification |
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