[soil margin]

Originally Posted by JustSumTomatoes

But cannabis has psychoactive properties

Some cannabis has psychoactive properties. Hemp is cannabis, it's not psychoactive. Pure CBD strains are cannabis, but not psychoactive.

The fact that SOME cannabis is psychoactive is not a legitimate reason for unreasonable regulation of the plant in all it's forms.

In reality, the fact that something is psychoactive at all should be irrelevant to it's legality or regulation. That should be determined entirely by it's safety profile. If it's dangerous, let the govt regulate it to inform people that it's dangerous, and if it's not, the govt should keep its hands away from the pie. Right now were seeing the government "legalize" it while still trying to pretend that it's dangerous and claim they have a legitimate reason for draconian laws and regulation.

[Betterhaff]

The powers that be want their cut of the $’s. Just like when alcohol prohibition ended…the taxes on booze came to be.

The problem with cannabis, they fear not being able to control the plant. It can be grown all over with little difficulty. Probably easier than brewing your on beer or wine. And better quality cannabis is easier to grow than what quality you might produce with your home brew. And it’s just easier to run to the corner market and buy a six-pack or bottle, taxes included. (I’m not bashing homebrewers, I’ve had some fine homebrewed product, just generally speaking).

Originally Posted by JustSumTomatoes

Hey, I agree that it is not my place to put rules and regulations upon anyone and by all means live life the way you feel fit as long as it doesn't endanger the lives of others. If you want to grow a field of plants and sell every single one than go for it.

I know not everyone agrees, and that's the point I'm trying to make, that people who use/grow cannabis are not all on the same page in terms of where cannabis law should stand in the future. Pro-drug war politicians, DEA and most police can all agree where they stand on the issue and will propose legislation or vote accordingly.

If you think cannabis should remain illegal or it should be completely legal with no restrictions than more power to you. Cannabis legalization is a not a new idea at all but it being put into law certainly is. To go from a prohibition state to one with absolutely no restrictions is not going to happen just yet. Believe me, I would love to have absolute freedom more than anyone and would gladly support it. As much as I agree with you that police and other people should have no say in what I do, they very much affect what I do. Being able to even have a little bit of freedom is the difference between being able to grow for my needs stress and risk free or being a criminal.

I know there are many with an all or nothing mentality but it is equally frustrating for me to know that someone would turn away a law that would give me and others that freedom simply because it's not legal enough for their tastes. What's the alternative? Continue prohibition and keep putting people behind bars? I know not all will agree, but some freedom is better than none and it opens the door for more freedom in the future. Just look at what is happening because two states said screw the federal govt. and went legal. Legalization is now a very realistic dream for other states with the potential for the Federal govt. in the U.S. to have to change it's policies to accommodate. This change would open the door for more countries to go legal. Not to mention the overall public opinion on pot has softened since states have gone medical or legal which is a game changer in itself.

A question to all of you in the green states, would you rather go back to how it was before or keep what you have now and try to move forward?

I know some will say if there are restrictions than it's not even legal, But cannabis has psychoactive properties and no drug or alcohol is without regulation. The difference is you wouldn't be a criminal to have or use it.

Feel free to disagree with or criticize my opinion.

Hey, I agree that it is not my place to put rules and regulations upon anyone and by all means live life the way you feel fit as long as it doesn't endanger the lives of others. If you want to grow a field of plants and sell every single one than go for it.

You say its not your place while making it your place in the same post. Contradiction.

I know not everyone agrees, and that's the point I'm trying to make, that people who use/grow cannabis are not all on the same page in terms of where cannabis law should stand in the future. Pro-drug war politicians, DEA and most police can all agree where they stand on the issue and will propose legislation or vote accordingly.

I'm on my 150th grow or something so what do you know. Yea you all stand together cops/black market so you can both have your side money and fake law enforcement careers. It takes two to tango.

I know there are many with an all or nothing mentality but it is equally frustrating for me to know that someone would turn away a law that would give me and others that freedom simply because it's not legal enough for their tastes. What's the alternative? Continue prohibition and keep putting people behind bars? I know not all will agree, but some freedom is better than none and it opens the door for more freedom in the future. Just look at what is happening because two states said screw the federal govt. and went legal. Legalization is now a very realistic dream for other states with the potential for the Federal govt. in the U.S. to have to change it's policies to accommodate. This change would open the door for more countries to go legal. Not to mention the overall public opinion on pot has softened since states have gone medical or legal which is a game changer in itself.

Turn away your bogus plant limit law? Yes why I do.

Poop on you and your bogus laws. How about they just leave people alone and quit making up bullshit laws that harm people but they gonna do it anyway, of course.

If you think cannabis should remain illegal or it should be completely legal with no restrictions than more power to you. Cannabis legalization is a not a new idea at all but it being put into law certainly is. To go from a prohibition state to one with absolutely no restrictions is not going to happen just yet. Believe me, I would love to have absolute freedom more than anyone and would gladly support it. As much as I agree with you that police and other people should have no say in what I do, they very much affect what I do. Being able to even have a little bit of freedom is the difference between being able to grow for my needs stress and risk free or being a criminal.

I never said it should remain illegal. Yes it should be completely legal with no restrictions and if you have a problem with that, then you are the problem. Little bit of freedom my ass. It's just a ploy like soil margin described above to keep the dirty money game going. 6 plants, I eat that for breakfast and like I said who are all of you, to tell me. The cops are the criminals.

Continue prohibition and keep putting people behind bars?

It's the cops and all of them (state) who want to continue prohibition with (your world was built on it). Your stupid rules and regulations that you spout and your desires for money is involved some way, otherwise none of you would even give a fuck at all about any of this.

opens the door for more freedom in the future for assholes that is.

Just look at what is happening because two states said screw the federal govt. and went legal. Legalization is now a very realistic dream for other states with the potential for the Federal govt. in the U.S. to have to change it's policies to accommodate. This change would open the door for more countries to go legal. Not to mention the overall public opinion on pot has softened since states have gone medical or legal which is a game changer in itself.

Legalization is not the proper definition that you apply to it. That's rude capitalization while prohibition continues in the form of oppression for special interest groups that now represent the STATES new cash cow. Like soil margin said again.

I know some will say if there are restrictions than it's not even legal, But cannabis has psychoactive properties and no drug or alcohol is without regulation. The difference is you wouldn't be a criminal to have or use it.

That's not what this is about though. You factor in the last 45 years prohibition, then on top of that the new, prolonged prohibition from 2012 in the name of greed stores, phony careers and side games,on top of that.

So as you can see, it's people that are the problem.

[SilverHazer]

The single biggest positive I can think of will be that older folks who avoided getting med cards because of financial reasons, or old taboos will easily be able to procure meds. Shoot, not even all young people know how easy it was (not anymore, read MMRSA) to get your med card, so imagine how many older folks avoided getting one because they didn't know all the ins and outs.

Before you call me crazy on the 'harder to get your med card' comment, know that I just renewed mine two weeks ago in the bay area, and the doc there told me that the majority of the clinics in town will be closing after New Years. I don't know whether places are closing because they are scared of MMRSA, or they just foresee a drop in business, but regardless, if a bunch of script clinics close that's already making it more difficult to go medical. Plus, the few clinics that remain will probably start charging a premium for scripts because of the point of sale discount you get with a script.

[St. Phatty]

I suggest avoiding getting med cards in any state that requires registration with the state government.

[SilverHazer]

Originally Posted by St. Phatty

I suggest avoiding getting med cards in any state that requires registration with the state government.

That's true if you're a BIGTIME grower, I'd say. Gotta fly under the radar in that case.

Lots of cities have already banned recreational growing outdoors though, so you need to be medical to play outside. For hobby growers, med cards are a good defense in court for minor infractions/ small amounts.

[Anne_Fetamine]

Pros = Age limits on who can buy, no more prison for non-violent pot possession, higher quality standards (in terms of contaminants like mold as well as potency, etc). Mexican brick weed has virtually disappeared even in places like TX & OK where it was once the standard. Big tax revenue for states. Reduction in opiate overdoses in legal states. Normalization of marijuana as a recreational substance rather than the stigma of it being an illegal "counterculture" drug.

Cons = Black market drug dealers lose $$$. Cartels, gangsters & smugglers have to switch products. That's really it. And unless you're one of those shady characters, those should count as pros.

(I'm for full legalization of every drug, btw. Nobody should lose their freedom, assets, job or reputation because of what they choose to put into their OWN bodies. When substances are banned, the risk of adulteration goes way up, as does the violence associated with gangs & cartels who now control it. And decent people go to prison. That's the unacceptable part. The fentanyl crisis that's happening now is 100% a result of the ban on heroin & other safer opiates).

But that's another topic for another day

[St. Phatty]

Originally Posted by SilverHazer

That's true if you're a BIGTIME grower, I'd say. Gotta fly under the radar in that case.

I say it partially because of some things that recently happened in Hawaii.

To avoid the mixing of metaphors, best to discuss the details in a separate thread.

Smoke plants, grow herb.

Does not care anymore.