[Gry]

Once heard someone say that trying to make money off something one loves is not the wisest thing to do.

[Abja Roots]

Originally Posted by hamstring

Abja Roots

Loved this bit of knowledge. I am in IL and flowers still sell but the eruption of pens is crazy. Very inexpensive.

They suck if you really enjoy the taste of weed. The flavor is so one dimensional in those things.

Isn't there a market out there for guys who smoke good pot? What about all those guys who grew up smoking good weed for the last 15years?
Are they really going to buy those very koolaid tasting pens? I know I wont.

Hey hamstring. Happy to share my experiences. I've got lots of love for IC and am glad to contribute what I can so we can all grow.

So over the years we've heard the familiar sentiment of " people will always want high grade flower and if you have something unique you'll be fine....." I've said it myself on here years ago.

What I had failed to consider is that the consumer market is much more complex. My current thought on it is that there are people who want high grade flower. However these same people are the ones who are likely to have made underground connections over the years or to be growing their own. So they won't be going into the shops to pay the prices these products would require. The vast majority of people going into shops will be young people who want concentrates or cheap flowers. There will also be older people who might buy some flower, but will lean more towards to the edibles. Especially if they're getting back into it after what might be decades. They'd be blown away by how expensive high grade flower is, and have probably never seen anything like that. They remember lids of imported herb from the 60's and 70's.

I knew the pens would explode years ago. They were a game changer when I first had them. Back then most people thought they were e-cigarettes when I used them in public. The fact that these tasteless co2 cartridges keep selling is all you need to look at. The average consumer just wants the buzz, and even that is one dimensional. I was filling my own cartridges with straight bho. So the flavor was very good.

So yes there's a market for good flower, but out here I'm hearing about some of these "high end" facilities that can't sell enough of their flower to cover their over head. It's not a market that I would personally be chasing after. I love flower, but my personal preference is not a good basis for building a business.

People want cheap flower, cheap flavored distillate, and cheap pre-rolls. Noticing a trend here?

I think in a few years after it all craters, some low overhead boutique farms will survive. There will also be lots of failed 400+ light operations who could not cover their overhead. What's the point of producing high grade if you have to sell it for less. I learned that years ago in the bay. It's why the quality has generally trended downward. It's a numbers game.

[Kankakee]

pens in Illinois are the rage and every underground guy is looking at importing or producing because everyone is switching.

u can smell flower from miles away and non-smokers can really smell it long after you smoke.

the cost of dui's skyrocket in legal states as bust go up hundreds of percent. live p.d. money being short, having a family make one avoid flowers now and seek out pens. plus they are adding flavors that make them taste unreal for regular smokers today. .... " wow, that taste great " is now the norm.

look out below on prices because they are crashing in midwest so large export markets will really start hurting moving forward.

[stasis]

Originally Posted by Gry

Once heard someone say that trying to make money off something one loves is not the wisest thing to do.

Some say to turn your passion into a job. Conversely,

[mackdx]

Stasis

One of reasons you are experiencing "price concious" shoppers, is you have placed yourself in the poorest county in the State of M.

If your average scraping to get by local wants to get loaded and has $15 in his pocket, are they going to grab a handle of Allen's Coffee Brandy, or are they going to grab one bottle of Allagash Curieux?

I'm sure you realize this, though.

[CaptainDankness]

Originally Posted by Gr33nSanta

there will be a market for boutique weed, only we are gonna find out that not everybody has the best weed. Only the very best will survive the flower market since the majority of the population will endup smoking nothing but concentrates within a matter of a few years. Hard to think otherwise, concentrates are healthier, and not as <<stinky>> in public...

I prefer dry sieve and hand rubbed hash over any concentrates or even bubble. It just has more flavor, of course it's not as potent. I do love smoking buds too the stink is the flavor.

[CaptainDankness]

Originally Posted by mackdx

Stasis

One of reasons you are experiencing "price concious" shoppers, is you have placed yourself in the poorest county in the State of M.

If your average scraping to get by local wants to get loaded and has $15 in his pocket, are they going to grab a handle of Allen's Coffee Brandy, or are they going to grab one bottle of Allagash Curieux?

I'm sure you realize this, though.

Neither, over priced and dirt cheap? I'll buy a bottle of Sailor Jerry's rum if I can't afford my Wild Turkey 101 don't get much better IMVHO.

[mackdx]

Originally Posted by CaptainDankness

Neither, over priced and dirt cheap? I'll buy a bottle of Sailor Jerry's rum if I can't afford my Wild Turkey 101 don't get much better IMVHO.

Agree whole heartedly on the WT101 (one of my faves) . Still, you can grab a fifth of Allen's and still have money left for taco bell with a $10.

Some folks have different priorities in M.

[purplepassion]

Y'all that came to "M" and thought we had money are f in crazy.

[coldcanna]

We are all on this site because 1) we grow and sell for money or 2) we are cannabis fanatics. 80% of average people who smoke just wanna get high and dont care about this cross or that pheno's terpene profile. Normal businesses make 15-20% profit margins so if a lb of flower costs 4-500 to produce you can expect that eventually they will be selling for about 6-700 as the market matures. Dont be butt hurt because the old underground model isnt efficient in the real world.