[socioecologist]

Originally Posted by coldcanna

I don't see any way for a small grower to succeed in a legal market- after all its just a plant like tomatoes, basil, oranges, ect... You don't see any farmers running a business with 60 tomato plants no matter how good it is. Trout was right, there will always be a market for premier indoors but honestly the large warehouse people are growing top shelf already and doing it for much lower costs than a small op could.

That being said- in business the theory is called "value added products". This is where you turn a commodity into a unique product and that is where you stand the best chance to make your money. For example, Ocean Spray Juice is making wayyyy more money than the cranberry growers, or look at a package of beef jerky which is $0.50 worth of beef being sold for $5 at the store. Once its no longer a commodity you can earn your profit from selling uniqueness and special appeal

Great post! Minor point to add: the small, craft farmers will likely end up supplying about 20% of the total demand once national legalization rolls out, with an ever-consolidating oligopoly producing the other 80%. That's what we see in every other major consumer product industry.

[Weird]

Originally Posted by Smug_Pepe

I'm working on developing a solid outdoor game. Indoor here is becoming difficult because people don't want to pay for the quality anymore.too many asshats driving down the price of the good stuff with mediocre.

Concentrates also seem to have an effect on the flower market. You can take a mediocre crop looks wise and turn it in to gold, shit you could never sell in flower form.

This is what I'm finding and legalization is just getting started here.

I'm glad I started learning over a decade ago, I'd hate to be a noob grower with profitable aspirations right now.

then it isn't the asshats bringing down the medicore it is the person with the better weed who has a problem getting the customer to realize the difference or has an inflated sense of better

most flowers are inferior to carts let alone unadulterated concentrates

the weed needs to be nice enough to pique the interest and desire of those who no longer think flower is superior

that means nose and mouth piece have to be far superior and the smoke has to be soft and enjoyable to have in the lungs and not have a high that wipes people out but keeps them lit for hours

from a medicinal point of view the only concentrate that is parallel to proper full spectrum flower is rosin

I get more relief and benefit from flower/rosin than oil

[Weird]

the opinions in this thread seem to have a huge logical disconnect

a medicinal plant that on an individual basis can have a plethora of pythochemicals of which all effect taste and aroma in differing ways is not a tomato or even cbd rich hemp


a 6 month pure haze is not a generic indica that will express identically in any environment

past that everyone is ignoring is models that predict value over the term in light of corporate consolidation but this can't even be discussed until EVERY pythochemical from the plant is approved by the federal government for regulation and even then what you will see on the market will be a reflection of that regulation

if the flood gates where wide open on legalization and none of the chemicals are made proprietary to the pharmaceutical companies via regulation (cocaine and heroin where legal at one time) you will still have big corporate vestments who will dominate the market by taking over a gross percentage of production through collectives growing very specific and homogeneous cultivars that work best within that model

just from a taste perspective alone it will be impossible for the variety that exists as it does now in a mono culture corporate model and the price of production will be lowered to offset the need for corporate profits. even if the market stays completely recreational business models predict this cycle

the same dynamic happened in beer and if there was no difference in perceived experience the microbreweries would not have been able to compete but since there is a difference there is a value add and a revenue opportunity to be had

this plant is so versatile we could eliminate mining fossil fuels and fracking for natural gas (and the devastating consequences) for hemp oil as we transition to a green future

that alone could take up a good amount of acreage on idle farms across america and because of the remediation capacities it could be used to revitalize land in the same effort

we have reached tip of the iceberg only there is so much more this plant can do and the capacities truly reflect a diversity and potential we have yet to experience from an agricultural species

[Kalachakra]

Hello here,

I do the analogy between the fact that to call you the behavioral science on US and the psychoanalysis of the old continent as for as you said, comparativly between industrial process and genetic selection.

With regard to tomatoes (needed not to begin) and what i eat, they are something to understood to this link, i think.
Biological résilience Is a lever very badly exploited to strengthen the viability of the genetics run in the long term.

https://www.bioaddict.fr/article/pasc...s-a4895p1.html

Enjoy.
(must to translate...)

[Kalachakra]

Google translate.
" Pascal Poot selects his seeds in a context of difficulty and stress for the plant, what makes them extremely tolerant, improves their gustative quality and makes that they are more concentrated in nutriment " explain Bob Brac de la Perrière, biologist and geneticist of plants, and coordinator of the environmental association Bede which qualifies the work of Pascal Poot as "unique"("only").

[stasis]

Good to See ya, Weird... I'd love to hear via a PM what your opinion was on a Boutique grower making it anymore.. I've been hammering away at this for 13 years. Although my quality is super good, and my phenos proprietarily found in seedpacks - not much has changed. Even though I have changed locales several times. Where I presently am, I am not seeing AAA quality anywhere, but am sure it exists. In a lower percentage though.

Peace..

[soil margin]

Originally Posted by larry badiner

how can people make money in a legal system?

Turn yourself into a specialty item like fine wine, coffee, cigars, scotch,seafood,etc. that can charge super high prices because consumers recognize the value of your product. Marketing/consumer education/brand awareness are all key here.

[stasis]

Originally Posted by soil margin

Turn yourself into a specialty item like fine wine, coffee, cigars, scotch,seafood,etc. that can charge super high prices because consumers recognize the value of your product. Marketing/consumer education/brand awareness are all key here.

The resistance to pay more is amazing. "I Usually pay ____$." is the constant refrain.

"For this quality..?" I reply.

At which time, I receive a look that says, "All I care about is money, fool...!"

Soul less can be a way of life for some. Cheers

[stasis]

Originally Posted by socioecologist

By growing a lot with great genetics developed for your ecotype and selling at prices that are aligned with regular farming costs. Vertical integration helps if you have access to capital.

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THIS Is the 1% talking. No different than the Rich against the poor. Alnost NO ONE can make this happen anymore. QUIT BRAGGING>

As for this quote "Turn yourself into a specialty item like fine wine, coffee, cigars, scotch,seafood,etc. that can charge super high prices because consumers recognize the value of your product. Marketing/consumer education/brand awareness are all key here. "

SO Far, Boutique Does NOT WORK. Maybe that will change. They just find someone with TOP_SHELF stock and Lowball, until they find someone willing to part with it for pennies. THE NEW NORMAL>

[WaxyTaxi]

Originally Posted by stasis

THIS Is the 1% talking. No different than the Rich against the poor. Alnost NO ONE can make this happen anymore. QUIT BRAGGING>

As for this quote "Turn yourself into a specialty item like fine wine, coffee, cigars, scotch,seafood,etc. that can charge super high prices because consumers recognize the value of your product. Marketing/consumer education/brand awareness are all key here. "

SO Far, Boutique Does NOT WORK. Maybe that will change. They just find someone with TOP_SHELF stock and Lowball, until they find someone willing to part with it for pennies. THE NEW NORMAL>

o jeez, hes back