[VonBudí]

we talk about mental health after other attacks but not after gun attacks, why?

[moose eater]

I think Bruce Cockburn of Ontario Canada summed it up in 1973, on the 'Night Visions' Lp (which my now-deceased sister gave me a copy of in 33-1/3 rpm vinyl Lp format in 1973, which I still have.

'The Blues Got the World by the Balls'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrjuriwfPiI

[GMT]

OK, after reading my feedback on my posts in this thread, I want to make some concessions.
I'm not against all Americans. Just the fact that the most commonly owned gun model in the USA, (source daily mail so maybe bull shit) is a rifle that is considered accurate up to 1500 feet. Now if you're walking around new York with one of those, and say 300 bullets, the old self defense argument, seems a little far fetched. If you're a little old lady on the verge of dementure, driving is a bad idea, carrying a concealed gun, may be a terrible one. If you're a psychopath with an obsession with weapons, then it may not be a protection for the american people ( from queen Elizabeth deciding she wants to take america back) that you own a semi automatic assault rifle.
I'm not saying these things to offend Americans at all, some of you are rational people behind enemy lines, but the laws that are taken for granted seem to have been obsoleted by the progression of firearms technology. As technology advances, so too must the laws governing its use.

[packerfan79]

Originally Posted by GMT

OK, after reading my feedback on my posts in this thread, I want to make some concessions.
I'm not against all Americans. Just the fact that the most commonly owned gun model in the USA, (source daily mail so maybe bull shit) is a rifle that is considered accurate up to 1500 feet. Now if you're walking around new York with one of those, and say 300 bullets, the old self defense argument, seems a little far fetched. If you're a little old lady on the verge of dementure, driving is a bad idea, carrying a concealed gun, may be a terrible one. If you're a psychopath with an obsession with weapons, then it may not be a protection for the american people ( from queen Elizabeth deciding she wants to take america back) that you own a semi automatic assault rifle.
I'm not saying these things to offend Americans at all, some of you are rational people behind enemy lines, but the laws that are taken for granted seem to have been obsoleted by the progression of firearms technology. As technology advances, so too must the laws governing its use.

It's not the "laws" it's God given "rights." As far as any nation including Queen Elizabeth, I f@#king dare any idiotic nation to think they will make war on American soil. Neither the Japanese or the NAZIS thought it was a good idea, we have the most advanced military ever known to man.we have more weaponry than most of the nation's combined. We haven't faught a real war where we can actually show, what we can do. This doesn't include the civilians who would fight to the bitter end for this nation.

Europeans may not think we deserve our God given rights outlined in the bill of rights. That's fine but try to set foot on our soil and try to dismantle the freedom we have and you will see why they are still in place. So far no one has been stupid enough to try.

[packerfan79]

Originally Posted by Elmer Bud

G `day PF

Where does that leave the atheists ? LOL .

False flag guys . Dude shoots for an hour at 25 000 people hits 1.5 % of them . He didn`t want to kill any more ...
Just heighten the drama . So the narrative can be sold to the masses .

Ever since the Manhattan project the US Gov has been scheming schemes and not telling its people . Built a nuclear bomb that the vice president [Trueman ] didn`t even know about . Anything is possible in those circumstances .



Thanks for sharin

EB .

They are rights for all American citizens, wether you believe in God or not.

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Originally Posted by moose eater

I think Bruce Cockburn of Ontario Canada summed it up in 1973, on the 'Night Visions' Lp (which my now-deceased sister gave me a copy of in 33-1/3 rpm vinyl Lp format in 1973, which I still have.

'The Blues Got the World by the Balls'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrjuriwfPiI

You've got to ac-cent-tchu-ate the positive
Eliminate the negative
Latch on to the affirmative
Don't mess with Mister In Between

You've got to spread joy up to the maximum
Bring gloom down to the minimum
Have faith or pandemonium
Liable to walk upon the scene

(To illustrate his last remark)
(Jonah in the whale, Noah in the ark)
(What did they do)
(Just when everything looked so dark)

Man, they said we better
Ac-cent-tchu-ate the positive
Eliminate the negative
Latch on to the affirmative
Don't mess with Mister In Between
No, do not mess with Mister In Between
Do you hear me, hmm

(Oh, listen to me child'in and a-you will hear)
(About the eliminating of the negative)
(And the accent on the positive)

And gather round me children if you willing
And sit tight while I start reviewing
The attitude of doing right

(You gotta ac-cent-tchu-ate the positive)
(Eliminate the negative)
(Latch on to the affirmative)
(Don't mess with Mister In Between)

You got to spread joy (up to the maximum)
Bring gloom down to the minimum, (then)
Otherwise, (otherwise)
Pandemonium liable to walk upon the scene

(To illustrate) Well illustrate
(My last remark) You got the floor
Jonah in the whale, Noah in the ark
(What did they say) What did they say
(Say, when everything looked so dark)

Man, they said we better
Ac-cent-tchu-ate the positive
Eliminate the negative
Latch on to the affirmative
Don't mess with Mister In Between
No, don't mess with Mister In Between

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Qk9o_ZeR7s

[Green Squall]

Originally Posted by GMT

OK ignore guns good/ guns bad. Could you gun lovers agree that there should be a blood test on gun permit applications to prevent sociopaths/psychopaths owning them?

What do you mean blood tests? You don't think mental illness can be diagnosed through blood, do you?

[GMT]

Oh in that case then, god owes quite a lot in compensation payouts.
I suppose it was Santa who gave america the nukes.

[GMT]

Green squall, yes sociopaths/ psychos can be identified by blood tests. Its a genetic inheritance that prevents the part of the brain responsible for compassion, empathy, guilt or fear from ever developing. Its not mental illness, its an inherited deformation in the brain.

[moose eater]

Originally Posted by GMT

OK, after reading my feedback on my posts in this thread, I want to make some concessions.
I'm not against all Americans. Just the fact that the most commonly owned gun model in the USA, (source daily mail so maybe bull shit) is a rifle that is considered accurate up to 1500 feet. Now if you're walking around new York with one of those, and say 300 bullets, the old self defense argument, seems a little far fetched. If you're a little old lady on the verge of dementure, driving is a bad idea, carrying a concealed gun, may be a terrible one. If you're a psychopath with an obsession with weapons, then it may not be a protection for the american people ( from queen Elizabeth deciding she wants to take america back) that you own a semi automatic assault rifle.
I'm not saying these things to offend Americans at all, some of you are rational people behind enemy lines, but the laws that are taken for granted seem to have been obsoleted by the progression of firearms technology. As technology advances, so too must the laws governing its use.

My Country/Government preaches peace, world-wide and otherwise. But when ever there's an uprising, disgruntlement, or even large crowds assembled in protest, whether Internationally or domestically.... we/they tend to send folks with guns, clubs, and chemicals.

What's the real message in this? Aside from the typical differences among humanity between what we say (idealism), and what we do (reality)?

My days of fondling a licensed class III machinegun or sub-machinegun as though it were a favorite puppy, are long gone now. The infatuation subsided, and the Zen reality that the things we hold to perhaps make us safe, may one day be the things that are used to justify our end. Thereby, all of my federally licensed select-fire/full-auto weaponry were sold around 1997.

I've done about 37 years of sometimes very conflict-producing activism, complete with death threats in the mail box and on hang-up calls with numbers blocked. Cowards one and all, but you rarely know who you're dealing with.

I raised several kids through those years (who saw enough big game animals, moose, caribou, etc.) come home in bloody bags with graphic entrance and exit wounds that they didn't need to engage in t.v. fantasy about people surviving such blows; they knew the reality, as it was on the kitchen table. For just -that- reason, they were far safer around a loaded firearm than many of their friends raised by more squeamish parents. They had first-hand knowledge and the accompanying respect.

I still carry when I leave home, and have such tools available in the home. They're made safe when others' children visit our remaining child who's still living at home. The thought of an accidental shooting, involving my kid or someone else's, causes my heart to miss a beat.

Years ago, I've had numerous occasions I could've legally squeezed, and chose to lecture instead, more irritated that the person had put me in a position to have to choose whether to take a life or not (*That truly pissed me off, big time! In one event, I was enjoying intimate moments with my ex-wife, mid-day, then abruptly having to address an intruder in the home).

In my neck of the woods, where guns are prominent (sporting rifles, 'assault weapons', handguns for town, handguns for the bush/out-back, etc.) had I drawn a weapon in another poster's previously described scenarios, I'd have been subject to prosecution. (*I can explain the letter of the law here where that's concerned, but I'll abstain).

Re. the modern weaponry argument, I understand that. But the Sons of Liberty (a minority group of mostly businessmen in the Colonies) had access to the very same weapons the King's men had; often stolen from them, in fact. And the Founders, aside from obvious hypocrisies they themselves wrote of, included phrases such as "both foreign and domestic," writing even back then of persons within their own ranks who would try to abuse the framework they were forming, for their own ends.

Gun violence in the U.S. is distantly, metaphorically akin to moments of chaos in a kindergarten class room; the few that can't sit peaceably with their milk and graham cracker will eventually cause story-time and napping to be impacted negatively for those who were enjoying such things.

Until we evolve to value lives of others as much as our own.