[Bubbleblower]

Originally Posted by Sam_Skunkman

FYI,
No greenhouses in ‘Kop van Noord-Holland’????

No, but go ahead and keep searching as it's so relevant and important.

Meanwhile let's try to get back on topic.
Flowers do excellent in the Netherlands OUTSIDE, Holland is actually famous for that.
These same flowers didn't do so well before in Istanbul, Vienna or Gent or all the other places they tried since the tulipmania.
In the Netherlands they only do so well in specific area's near the coast.

We all grow flowers too so it might be interesting to know what makes these area's so specific.

As you can see in my avator cannabis grows excellent there as well.
Other places in the Netherlands they can grow 3.5 meters or so, while there they get over 5 meters (which is ~3 times as big).

[FatherEarth]

Terpene talk debated like quantum physics. LOL

[vitamingreeninc]

So no general consensus on nutes then and an interesting topic turned into a "mines bigger," contest eh? Shoot, I've been looking for an additive such as bloombastic, terpinator, bud candy, Loquid KoolBloom, shooting powder, MOAB?

Anyway, just to mess with y'all about growing outside..All I ever see is Cali this, west coast that. The best MJ, narrow-leaf, will be grown in the SE US as soon as it's legal there. It will be grown there allllllll year round too, since the winters are so mild/non-existent. You have to have Mold resistant strains but man is that a good climate

[MountZionCollec]

I spent half a year in the Netherlands and it seemed like the opposite place for quality: wet, cool, humid, low sun intensity and uv index, low number days/hours of sun during flowering.

My wife is from the Bordeaux region and I also lived their for half a year and a some more visits and it is also a very poor place for growing cannabis. The humidity is about 80% like all year lol. Also their soil is shit devoid of nutrients people don't know shit about "terroir" miscommunicated into the American brain it's a much more complex idea that got taken over by Cali wine farmers and now by Cali cannabis farmers.

I agree with Sam the skunkman southern cali is perfect but with the water situation, especially down there, and the climate towards cannabis in that area I don't see much opportunity for big production though I'm sure their will be a some who work it out.

For optimum terpene production we need increased resin production which means a dry climate low humidity, strong/broad sun spectrum/intensity (higher altitude and lower latitude), long number of hours/days of sun (worse as u move up in lat) and decent comfortable temperatures Until December. At least that's the idea I used when analyzing the climate maps of Cali looking for my farm and home.

In the USA that leaves the Sierra Nevadas to southern Cali and east through southwest in specific microclimates before swamps lands and Midwest which is downright awful for growing cannabis. I'm Indiana born and raised and your options for growing quality their are limited to say the least.

[Sam_Skunkman]

I agree 100% but what do I know?
I have grown in more countries than most people visit in their lives, but I am sure Kop van Noord-Holland is an excellent place for the quality that Bubbleblower thinks is the best of the best Haze.
I will continue to disagree. But I do agree that the subject is nutrients and terpenes, so back to it.
I have found that organic grows with massive root systems gives the best terpene result, that and the right genetics.
I even have experimented with cutting the top half or more of the plant just before flowering, it helped a lot if you do not mind the loss of total yield, what I got was more resinous and higher in terpenes, not as high as if I had grown it in Kop van Noord-Holland, LOL, but I tried to increase terpenes and it did work by altering the root to flower ratios. More roots is better. I find that lower temps, not fricking to hot, as well as lower lumins at the end of flowering seem to help also. And higher temps and higher lumins are not what you want at the end of flowering.
-SamS

Originally Posted by MountZionCollec

I spent half a year in the Netherlands and it seemed like the opposite place for quality: wet, cool, humid, low sun intensity and uv index, low number days/hours of sun during flowering.

My wife is from the Bordeaux region and I also lived their for half a year and a some more visits and it is also a very poor place for growing cannabis. The humidity is about 80% like all year lol. Also their soil is shit devoid of nutrients people don't know shit about "terroir" miscommunicated into the American brain it's a much more complex idea that got taken over by Cali wine farmers and now by Cali cannabis farmers.

I agree with Sam the skunkman southern cali is perfect but with the water situation, especially down there, and the climate towards cannabis in that area I don't see much opportunity for big production though I'm sure their will be a some who work it out.

For optimum terpene production we need increased resin production which means a dry climate low humidity, strong/broad sun spectrum/intensity (higher altitude and lower latitude), long number of hours/days of sun (worse as u move up in lat) and decent comfortable temperatures Until December. At least that's the idea I used when analyzing the climate maps of Cali looking for my farm and home.

In the USA that leaves the Sierra Nevadas to southern Cali and east through southwest in specific microclimates before swamps lands and Midwest which is downright awful for growing cannabis. I'm Indiana born and raised and your options for growing quality their are limited to say the least.

[ChaosCatalunya]

Originally Posted by Sam_Skunkman

...... //..... I find that lower temps, not fricking to hot, as well as lower lumins at the end of flowering seem to help also. And higher temps and higher lumins are not what you want at the end of flowering.
-SamS
-SamS

Exactly, which is why I always tell people, especially those struggling indoors in the Summer, to turn off half their lights and raise the rest for the last 2 odd weeks of flower, you loose nothing noticeable by then either, as all the calyxs have formed by then, you are just fattening what you already have.

More than anything it is to protect the terpenes.

[Bubbleblower]

Originally Posted by Sam_Skunkman

I am sure Kop van Noord-Holland is an excellent place for the quality that Bubbleblower thinks is the best of the best Haze.

Originally Posted by Bubbleblower

it wasn't high quality, hardly worth growing.

It turned out the problem wasn't with the climate though, but with the crappy genetics.
The Kop van Noord-Holland with it's unique microclimate, is indeed an excellent place for the quality that I think is the best of the best.
Granted you need this (look how much sun de Kooij gets compared to the rest of the Netherlands, an hour per day more) IN DUTCH:
https://www.knmi.nl/klimatologie/maan...ar/jaar14.html

Originally Posted by MountZionCollec

I spent half a year in the Netherlands and it seemed like the opposite place for quality: wet, cool, humid, low sun intensity and uv index, low number days/hours of sun during flowering.

My wife is from the Bordeaux region

Our weather now is the same as it was in the Bordeaux region -coincidentally- 14 years ago (according to the Dutch meteorologic institute, KNMI).
As a matter of fact right now we have 96 degrees in the shade;
Today temperatures in parts of the UK and Europe set to be the highest ever recorded as the whole planet bakes

Originally Posted by MountZionCollec

The humidity is about 80% like all year lol.

That makes it so perfect for sativa's that really want this high humidity.
THE most important nutrient to increase terpenoid production is water!

Originally Posted by ChaosCatalunya

More than anything it is to protect the terpenes.

Exactly, that's why it shouldn't be too hot like in eeeehm the desert.

Originally Posted by FatherEarth

Terpene talk debated like quantum physics.

I keep telling you that's what it is
Boron_trifluoride

[FatherEarth]

what zodiac sign should I plant in to get the most terpenes?

[FatherEarth]

heat waves and periods of drought lasting more than a decade are normal. We know this from observing tree ring growth of old forests.
The thin rings indicate periods of drought. They happen in cycles. ... there is an article on this in the Albrecht soil library online....