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Plant patents, trademarks, and PBR: Let’s discuss facts (part 1)
[I'm not sure where to put this thread, please feel free to move it if this isn't the proper place.]
I am starting this thread with lots of quoting of academic source material to try and lay a ground work for definitions and concepts, so we all start out at the same level of understanding (though some have much greater level, to be sure). I was motivated to start this thread because there is too much conjecture posted about these topics as it relates to plants and drug Cannabis in particular. It's time to separate facts from opinion. This thread is not about whether plant patents, etc., are good or bad, so please don't discuss your personal feelings on that matter in this thread. This thread is only to collect facts and set the record straight. I did not know much of anything about these topics, which is why I started this thread, to educate myself and hopefully help others, as well as to improve the discussion on these topics by injecting provable facts. Please feel free to add more facts and correct anything that may be wrong, but, and this is a big but, please cite everything you may claim so we can see the source of your claims. If you’re just going to add your opinion without citing the source for that opinion please don’t bother posting. NOTE: Part 1 is US based. Thread part 2 will be focused on UPOV Convention and TRIPS Agreement. NOTE: These are great starting references to read: - https://pennstatelaw.psu.edu/_file/a...nt_Patents.pdf - https://www.uspto.gov/patents-getting...out-35-usc-161 These are my initial take-aways from reading the above and following works: - The pollen or seeds from a patented plant are not restricted by the patent, so a grower or other breeder can use them as they see fit, for example, to grow and breed as they see fit. - A plant patent only protects that specific plant (genotype), so if a different breeder created a variety with the same chemical makeup as the patented plant (or the same leaf color, for example), they aren’t infringing upon the plant patent holder. It’s only when it’s a utility patent that the copying breeder in this case would be infringing upon the patent. To infringe upon a plant patent the actual plant (genotype) is all that matters. - A plant variety protection certificate seems to provide more protection than a plant patent, as it also covers sexual reproduction. So a different breeder can't use the protected plant to create new hybrids, except under the "research exception." While plant patent is only about asexual reproduction. A big apparent difference here is the variety must be 'true breeding,' while a plant patent doesn't make such a requirement. - A trademarked plant may be cloned and used as the grower or a different breeder sees fit, but the grower or breeder may not use the same name as the trademarked name. - In terms of Cannabis plants, I spoke with the "office of patent legal administration" at USPTO and I was told they will grant patents (plant and utility) for drug Cannabis plants. From https://www.uspto.gov/patents-getting...-161#heading-5 Quote:
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So all in all, the plant patent while useful, isn't much better than well written contract between the plant breeder and the customer. It's the utility patent that really gives strong protection for the plant breeder, for example, against a copying breeder trying to re-create that patented plant. And the plant variety protection certificate offers protection from use of the plant for breeding by other breeders, while a plant patent does not.
Here's something I wrote in a different thread about how Cannabis breeders and some clone sellers handle this situation currently (due to patents not being possible at this time). (The source material is a IP/patent attorney who works with the Cannabis industry): Quote:
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A question I have that I haven't found the answer to yet, and I hope someone here can answer (and provide their source material):
- How does a cultivar fit into PVPA, that is, does a plant variety protection certificate consider a cultivar to be a variety?
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[UPDATE: After speaking with USPTO I was told they will, in fact, grant drug Cannabis plant patents.]
It was pointed out to me that there are several(?) plant "patent in process" for Cannabis in the US, as a means to prove the USPTO will grant plant patents for drug Cannabis. And while that may be true, there's a big difference between 'patent pending' and actually being granted a patent by the USPTO. So if anyone knows of an actual plant or utility patent for a drug Cannabis plant please post info and links if possible. Thanks!
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Cultivar means (culti)vated (var)iety.
Websters Dictionary However, if those terms are used within the legal wording, a legal definition may be appropriate. I cannot find one in Blacks Law Dictionary or Barrons Law Dictionary. |
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Thanks.
Cultivar and variety are defined differently according to different international plant naming systems. This is why I'm wondering how the USPTO would consider the issue. I'll likely call them tomorrow and ask, or at least send an email and ask. I strongly suspect they do consider a cultivar to be a variety in the context of their rules language. According to the most relevant naming system, ICNCP (International Code of Nomenclature for Cultivated Plants), cultivar is equivalent to variety in the context of this thread: "International Code of Nomenclature for Cultivated Plants" (8th edition) https://www.actahort.org/chronica/pdf/sh_10.pdf Quote:
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Of interest about the issue of cultivar and variety, as it relates to the U.S. PVPA (Plant Variety Protection Act), is the definition of variety by UPOV (The International Union for the Protection of New Varieties of Plants). This sounds like they're describing a cultivar, as well, especially considering what the ICNCP (International Code of Nomenclature for Cultivated Plants) has to say (in the post above):
https://www.upov.int/about/en/upov_system.html#P78_3918 Quote:
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Good for you for starting your education on the topic Beta, it's great that you are taking the time to form a basis for a discussion.
![]() The original thread is linked below for the reader's reference and context, the conversation really starts to develop around page 4 or 5. https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=298710 In regards to your question, there are no plant patents for cannabis as of this date that have been granted by the USPTO, only some under review. However, in a article I recently read a patent attorney claims the patent office seems to be treating them in the same fashion as they treat any other application. -Chimera
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Yup, and many things claimed by some people in that thread didn't turn out correct...did they, Chimera?
But please don't bring up that thread again in this thread, let's keep this thread clean. This thread is based on facts, and I'd like to keep it that way. Do you have a link to that article about the patents? Just for the sake of this thread. And I personally would be really interested to read it. Thanks.
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I think the thread I linked is a good historical context and clearly the genesis of this one, and is a recommended read for anyone interested in the topic. I can understand why you would want to delete any memory of it though... a shame you deleted those last few posts, I never got the opportunity to read them.
No certainly not everything everyone said was correct, but I certainly stand by everything I said... as you keep digging, I assure you you'll gain more clarity and understand the points that were being made for your benefit. If you keep looking Beta, you'll also find the article I reference above, no spoon-feedings here either though... as was stated previously, the journey of looking and educating yourself will lead to your best education, and I certainly don't want to deprive you of that educational experience.. it's looking great on you thus far, keep it up. I'm looking forward to you getting down to the nitty gritty, deep below the surface of the topic. ![]() Enjoy your new venue, and your pursuit... the journey is half of the experience of getting to your destination! -Chimera
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