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Glassblower · 10-13-2006, 03:46 PM

Thanks.

Fatboy · 10-13-2006, 05:57 PM

i think the infrastructure of refueling stations keep the hydrogen car unpopular. i'm sure the oil companies have a stake in this also. seems like CA was trying to get hydrogen fueling stations up.

how bout a weed powered car....would love the emissions...

BudGood2006 · 10-13-2006, 06:15 PM

There are plans on the Internet for a hydrogen generator, called the Hydrostar. Google it up, it requires a lot of specialized skills and materials, but there are working models. I know a electrician buddy that is almost done with his. It uses a pulsed DC current to split water (H20), into two particles of hydrogen, 1 of oxygen. When properly running, vehicles equipped with this could actually CLEAN the air instead of polluting. Crazy stuff. The plans are readily available on the Net, the creator(s) decided to just put it out there for fear of suppression or harm to their families. I believe the idea is that you can't suppress EVERYONE.

Glassblower · 10-13-2006, 07:35 PM

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how bout a weed powered car....would love the emissions...

The diesel engine design is a modification of an engine designed to run on hemp seed oil.

Fatboy · 10-13-2006, 11:08 PM

yeah but i'm picturing a school bus riding round with reefer smoke coming out the dual pipes

and i'm sure it would have a following.

or is this de-ja-vu

10-14-2006, 01:30 AM

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When properly running, vehicles equipped with this could actually CLEAN the air instead of polluting. Crazy stuff.

You base this on what? I googled Hydrostar like you said and it looks like a stupid scam, just like every other water-based add-on system for cars. I'm sorry, but to believe in these things is to ignore a very large amount of fundamental physics.(and all the negative google results) I'd be willing to wager it will probably make his power and mpg WORSE because all these systems end up doing is shooting water vapor into your motor while placing a higher load on the motor.

Lets put reality to the side for a moment, and say that these things actually work. They all highly recommend (or require) distilled water. Distilled water costs anywhere from 70 cents to a dollar a gallon. So lets add that to the price. Lets also add in the cost of buying the stupid thing and then we'll add the cost of your time to install it. We'll need to add more money too for alternator replacement, as these systems work it a lot harder.

Doesn't look any better now than it did before. Lets not forget how stupid the idea of a water-powered car is to begin with. Fresh water is already the most precious resource on the planet, can you imagine how it'd be if we tried to power mass transportation with it?

The real key is for people to simply change their driving habits. I have a V8 camaro that would be looked down upon for being a gas guzzler(it gets 30mpg on the highway believe it or not), yet I only use about two tanks a month or less. Compare that to some eco-dweeb commuting 50 miles a day in his Prius, he is using a shitload more gas than me. I try to carpool everytime I go somewhere and I always run multiple errands at once.

Stop blaming the oil companies and change your personal habits! Radical transportation changes take a huge amount of time and money and its not going to happen by half-assedly rushing into overly expensive "green" technologys like ethanol, hybrids, or hydrogen cars. Nor is it going to happen by wasting your money on stupid green scams that do nothing except profit con artists.

I personally believe pure electric vehicles are where its at. Why have all these efficiency reducing middlemen(hybrids and hydrogen fuel cell) when you can just go from power plant straight to your car? The efficiency savings alone would be billions of dollars. Its far more efficient and cheap for all of us to use power generated centrally at big power stations than to try and generate it in small individual levels. Ultra-capacitors are being developed that would completely eliminate the need for massive battery systems; you could have one 500 lb ultra cap that charges in 5 minutes and takes you 200 miles. Not to mention a pure-electric car would be far more safe and simple than a hydrogen fuel-cell vehicle. Do you want a combustive gas stored at thousands of PSI in a super heavy and expensive tank sitting underneath you? Do you want a super-expensive rare-metal fuel cell that would probably require thousands of dollars for repairs or replacement? Could you imagine trying to work on your own hydrogen fuel cell car? It would probably void your warranty the moment you popped the hood. In contrast an electric car's drivetrain would be very very simple: battery/capacitor and electric motor.

9Lives · 10-14-2006, 02:01 AM

You cant store hydrogen! And the transport of hydrogen actually costs more. And is very dangerous.

There are some ideas..but by the time they get all the bugs out its still too late.

Nano solar is being made available for the average joe in 2007. Cant wait to see!

9Lives · 10-14-2006, 02:04 AM

People today...it's like when they believed they could have nuclear powered vacuum cleaners..

zamalito · 10-14-2006, 02:44 AM

An interesting fact 30% of the energy consumed by a car in its life is in the manufacturing.

BudGood2006 · 10-14-2006, 03:52 AM

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You base this on what? I googled Hydrostar like you said and it looks like a stupid scam, just like every other water-based add-on system for cars. I'm sorry, but to believe in these things is to ignore a very large amount of fundamental physics.(and all the negative google results) I'd be willing to wager it will probably make his power and mpg WORSE because all these systems end up doing is shooting water vapor into your motor while placing a higher load on the motor.

Lets put reality to the side for a moment, and say that these things actually work. They all highly recommend (or require) distilled water. Distilled water costs anywhere from 70 cents to a dollar a gallon. So lets add that to the price. Lets also add in the cost of buying the stupid thing and then we'll add the cost of your time to install it. We'll need to add more money too for alternator replacement, as these systems work it a lot harder.

Doesn't look any better now than it did before. Lets not forget how stupid the idea of a water-powered car is to begin with. Fresh water is already the most precious resource on the planet, can you imagine how it'd be if we tried to power mass transportation with it?

Wow, quite a shitty attitude! Problems? Oh wait, I know, you're pissed that you can't grow anything but hermies. Bummer for you. This is not the place to vent your anger. If you don't agree with it (or don't happen to be technically proficient enough to build one, so you trash it), good for you. Doesn't mean it is devoid of merits. No need to be an assh@le, now is there? FYI, there are people running vehicles with them AT THIS MOMENT. I just spoke with my electrician buddy, his is 99% complete, he is waiting on 1 component and it's done. Ciao

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BudGood2006 Cannabis User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Wouldn't you like to know... Posts: 431	There are plans on the Internet for a hydrogen generator, called the Hydrostar. Google it up, it requires a lot of specialized skills and materials, but there are working models. I know a electrician buddy that is almost done with his. It uses a pulsed DC current to split water (H20), into two particles of hydrogen, 1 of oxygen. When properly running, vehicles equipped with this could actually CLEAN the air instead of polluting. Crazy stuff. The plans are readily available on the Net, the creator(s) decided to just put it out there for fear of suppression or harm to their families. I believe the idea is that you can't suppress EVERYONE. __________________ Disclaimer: All posts and or references to anything about everything are purely a figment of your imagination. Bud's Bio-Buckets Revisited Room Construction Thread
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10-14-2006, 02:01 AM	#37
9Lives three for playing, three for straying, and three for staying. Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,282	You cant store hydrogen! And the transport of hydrogen actually costs more. And is very dangerous. There are some ideas..but by the time they get all the bugs out its still too late. Nano solar is being made available for the average joe in 2007. Cant wait to see! __________________ Monkey killing monkey killing monkey. Over pieces of the ground. Silly monkeys give them thumbs. They make a club. And beat their brother down How they survive so misguided is a mystery. Repugnant is a creature who would squander the ability to lift an eye to heaven, conscious of his fleeting time here. OVERGROW lives on Support bacteria - it's the only culture some people have!
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10-14-2006, 02:04 AM	#38
9Lives three for playing, three for straying, and three for staying. Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,282	People today...it's like when they believed they could have nuclear powered vacuum cleaners.. __________________ Monkey killing monkey killing monkey. Over pieces of the ground. Silly monkeys give them thumbs. They make a club. And beat their brother down How they survive so misguided is a mystery. Repugnant is a creature who would squander the ability to lift an eye to heaven, conscious of his fleeting time here. OVERGROW lives on Support bacteria - it's the only culture some people have!
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10-13-2006, 03:46 PM	#31
Glassblower New Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 7	Thanks.
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10-13-2006, 05:57 PM	#32
Fatboy enjoy the ride Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 144	i think the infrastructure of refueling stations keep the hydrogen car unpopular. i'm sure the oil companies have a stake in this also. seems like CA was trying to get hydrogen fueling stations up. how bout a weed powered car....would love the emissions...
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10-13-2006, 11:08 PM	#35
Fatboy enjoy the ride Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 144	yeah but i'm picturing a school bus riding round with reefer smoke coming out the dual pipes and i'm sure it would have a following. or is this de-ja-vu
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10-14-2006, 02:44 AM	#39
zamalito Guest Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Above the clouds Posts: 1,516	An interesting fact 30% of the energy consumed by a car in its life is in the manufacturing.
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