Originally Posted by Verite

Isnt that close to where that Timmy Treadwell and his g/f got gobbled up by the bears?

OMG...dont even mention that chumps name in alaska (treadwell)...youll get run out of the state faster then u came in.

dude is a fool ....and everyone knows it.

"im here to protect the bears...I'm here to protect the bears"...u fukin fool...u got killed and u got your GF killed...and now they had to destroy bears because you were a fukin fool. (duh ...treadwell u dont fukin belong among the bears u fukin fool)...ok thats all on that.

as to the question about relative closeness...well yeah its close (but not on kodiak or kenai where i am from) ...but they dont tell u where he/she was....but I and other alaskans know where. (its supposed to be a secret)

i dont care if u peeps know so ill tell ya...

they are katmai grizzlies...close to "brooks camp" (not exactly sure how close)....but on the AK peninsula.

those bears are part coastal and part interior grizz.

the interior grizz is the one to watch out for...because everything is prey... even human

coastal grizz are pretty content on salmon and berries...and dont need to hunt for food. (generally)

piss any of them off and your done tho...and treadwell was a fool again. especially to bring his new girl up there...her smell probably pissed them off the most and may have led to death ...ya dig?

The technical definition and difference between an Alaskan Brown bear and an Alaskan Grizzly is that a Brownie lives South of the Alaska Range, and a grizzly lives North of the Alaska Range.

I hunt every year for moose in the midst of some pretty active Interior grizzly country. A record sized bear was shot by my friend within 30 yards of my moose tree last year or so. I've watched beautiful silver tip twins, three-year olds, from 50-100 yards; their eye-sight sucks like a dog's does, but they can hear the hair moving on your collar at that range in the still or near-still air, and they can smell you a long way off if you're up-wind from them..

Once population density was accounted for, and lethality/predation was re-figured, the fact is that Black bears, especially Interior Black bears, account for more human predation than the grizzly. There's two kinds of bear attacks in Browns/Grizzlies and Blacks; food and fear/protection. The fear/protection-oriented killing by a bear isn't considered predation. It's reaction, and lacks any actual stalking behaviors.

I used to bait black bears to shoot for canning 20 years ago; the average grizzly that I encountered wouldn't typically touch my bait station. And bears of both species are typically more afraid of people than people are of them. Unless they're startled into clumsiness, they walk as quiet as air moves over glass.

Brownies and grizzlies are the -same- species; food sources, regional genetics, and climate make up for the differences in size, etc. only the polar bear is identified as a predator that'll kill just to kill. And one apparently mated with a grizzly in the wilds in N.W. Canada recently, a first in terms of natural occurence (it'd happened in captivity before, so they knew it was possible), and likely brought about by the melting pack ice due to global climate change that has the polar bears moving further south lately. One was even photographed on the Haul Road to Prudhoe Bay last Winter, in the Northern interior, up near Attigan pass..

Treadwell was, in great part, what I'd call an enviro-hustler. A well-meaning and good-natured con artist. He found urban liberal folks with sizable checkbooks who would pay him for his lore, and fund his rather creative adventures. And he found a way to carve out some less-than-perfect or less-than realistic (temporary) peace for himself.

Much of what he wrote about he'd stolen from others' work, and that's been documented.

He made the mistake of personifying bears, assuming that their behavior was predictable and static. And it's not necessarily so. A passive bear that is skiddish and accustomed to hiding quietly in the presence of people, that you don't even know you've passed on the trail, can be a completely different bear during a bad year for food, a change in its age and hunting ability, socialization, etc.

Treadwell fucked around with his own fantasy of what a bear is, and got his girtlfriend and himself killed.

Any fellow who would camp in the midst of feeding bears, crawling on his hands and knees amongst them, naming them like they're family pets, and not even carry a fucking gun, needs a serious psych eval (or some really premium life insurance with my name as the beneficiary...)

Regards,

moose eater

hey "moose eater"..I moose and bear hunt too (rifle) and I hunt Mtn. goat (archery).

my black bear bait is crushed dogfood and bacon grease....pretty common...whats yours (just curious)

I bear hunt right outside seward.

I have scars from a blackie we thought was down and dead...he jumped up and freaked out and now I have a 6 inch long claw scar (3 deep and 1 shallow) on my upper right back shoulder, and one on my lower left ribcage that is half the length but twice as deep. ....that was his only attack attempt and he fell dead....he was a brown phase blackie and just over 350#. (im a bit more careful aproaching my downed bears since)

but havent got to bear hunt in the last few years as Im stuck in colorado for now....but moving back ASAP.

OH I'd really like ta hear more stories about Murky since I dont hear much about him down here.

Hi Yukon,

I haven't hunted bear (intentionally) since July of 1987. On purpose. As a matter of personal commitment now, and general disposition back then.

As a poor and impoverished would-be hippie, I didn't mind spending three days in front of two pressure canners, de-boning meat, and jarring (I hesitate to eat fresh bear due to the overwhelming presence of parasites though I've had some very fine sausage made from fresh bear; the last one I killed in 7/87 had three different parasites that were visible, including what looked to be a Guinness Book record-sized tape worm, round worms, and a completely unknown varmint in the spinal column that resembled short round worms, and had carved out caverns around the bone of the spine, in the meat itself.

The parasitologists at F&G were supposed to identify it, but the samples I'd provided them were insufficient in quantity. (Oh well, another missed opportunity for fame and fortune)

I've had plenty of opportunity to kill bear since, and have hesitated, and over time, simply decided that it's not my bag. Let 'em be, and hope that they reciprocate, though I don't bank on any pretense of mutual respect -at all-.

I previously, 20 years prior and beyond, used accumulated five-gallon buckets of grease, scraps of meat and veggies from restaurants, etc. The Blackies don't care for green peppers and tomatoes, btw. Either acids or relationship to the 'night-shades' family apparently turns 'em off, but then there was plenty of stuff to afford them being 'picky.' They would typically toss peppers and 'maters aside, like kids picking through a meal they don't like.

The last Black bear that I shot was a 350 lb. 11-yr.old male who knew the jig was up when it was up. The cry that a wounded bear puts out, their clear physiological resemblance to humans (their digestive system is almost identical to a pigs, which is the closest thing to a human digestive system in the 'animal genre'), and their humorous antics, as well as the work involved in canning six cases of pint-sized jars, cooking the meat twice <once loose and once in jars>, tells me that moose is the ticket; 'boreal cattle' <moose> and locally-grown angus, along with salmon and halibut is what mostly occupies my family's freezers. We rarely buy -any- meat at the grocery store at all, other than for a very small amount of pork and chicken.)

A good bullet's (of proper calibre for large game) between .85 cents and $1.75, depending on what your shooting, and providing that you haven't reloaded your own. Never approach a downed animal without delivering one squarely to the head for good measure, whether there's signs of life or not. When it (the critter) feels that it has nothin' to lose, you most definitely -do-. My life's worth more than $1.75, at least to me and my family, though some others might argue.

And never follow either a wounded or stalking bear into tight thickets or tall grass unless there's no other way, and then be locked and loaded, if you do have to. A large bear can out-run a quarter horse in a quarter mile, and I damned sure can't move that fast.

I've spoken first-hand with persons who worked at Murky's bank before it went 'under,' (and were in serious position to know of what they spoke) and there were 'issues' there that never came up in the follow-up investigations or ensuing court hearings that involved the loss of over 300 million dollars of the Bering Straits Native Corporation's money at the end of his S&L implosion.

Rasmussen's $$ helped to get him out of town to D.C., backing his campaign for U.S. Senate. A typical example of the non-researching, gullibility and ignorance of the average voter; the guy bankrupts a bank, is up to his eye-balls in questionable behavior (with -other peoples' jing-!!), scuttles several hundred million dollars that belong to a native corp, escapes, like Kenny Lay, with his own nest egg in-tact, and the pablum-digesting general populace buys his bullshit ads and sends him to D.C. where he can -really- fuck things up. Sheesh!!

Murky was featured on the front page of the Fairbanks Daily News Miner, in the early 80s, back when Wilhelm 'Billy' Bubbel, owner of the Chena Pump House Restaurant (and bar), was indicted for conspiracy in what was clearly no small-time operation. Bubbel had a private DC-8 with private pilots and friends in Thailand. The pic of Murky was of him shaking hands with his long-time business associate, Mr. Bubbel. A rather -LARGE- pic, I might add. ;^>) Frankie wasn't taking calls that day from Billy, though, from what I understand. A bit warm in the proverbial kitchen, as it were. ;^>)

Frankie helped to get Bubbel's restaurant 'Historic Monument' status. I don't know if there was afforded, or to what degree, if any, of tax exemption, due to that official status; just that up to 100% exemption is possible, from what I understand of the graces associated with that designation.

The difference between the Pump House and many other 'historical monuments,' is that the original Pump House was exactly that; a source of water for what was then called 'River City' that pre-dated Fairbanks during the early (approx. 1901) gold rush here. The current, 'modern' Pump House is a restaurant and bar with very little similarity to its original structure, despite 'antique-i-fying' the place.

If you Google Murky, you'll find where his name comes up, -WAY- deep in your results, (so be ready to do some serious reading) in a story from about 17-20+/- years ago, done by 20:20, Dateline, 48 Hours, or one of those shows. (It's too long ago for me to recall which one). There was a Japanese-American fellow who deisgnated his source of revenue as 'consultant,' had borrowed -LARGE- sums of $$$$$ (over a million dollars total) from banks for purposes of giving the vast majority of it to the Republican National Committee, at a time that he was allegedly over a million dollars in back-logue for child support, and his personal accounts were reportedly in the Caymen Islands. (You do the math....) ;^>)

The story reported that Murky had personally made calls to other Repugnik congress-critters trying to organize 'support' for this fellow's 'business ventures,' including seating next to the President at a specific dinner party or two (not that Murky or the RNC have ever been implicated in the sale of influence or favors as a matter of political quid pro quo involving the National Repugnik Party or anything.. or the kiting of checks on his accounts, or wrything on the floor of the Pump House rest room.... ;^>)

The Democratic Party in Alaska (of which I'm -not- a member), is currently suing his administration, and specifically the Division of Elections, for raw election data from 2004.

It seems that when comparing state-wide totals and district-by-district totals from that election, there's roughly 105,000 votes that don't seem to belong there. Imagine that!! We have districts where more people voted against legalization than there exists registered voters in that district, not counting those who voted for it.

We out-spent our competition in that race by 5:1, and lost by over 31,000 votes (if I recall correctly), in a state where introducing an additional 100,000+ votes would be akin to damned near introducing a whole new second voting populace!!

If it is what it looks like, and I'm not 100% certain yet, then my guess is that any 'interference' in the legalization issue was an after-thought, and that the primary motive would've been keeping pertinent players in place to let our resources (oil and gas) go to long-time RNC supporters at a mere fraction of their value. But we ain't there yet, in terms of solid irrefutable evidence. And if we ever -get- there, I can think of some folks that had better take up a new zip code..

I could go on, but I've used well over my fair share of band-width on this answer. Suffice it to say that in political terms, he's a scum-ball extraordinaire, with friends in high places. He's a long-time 'bag man' for people and causes that I despise. And that anyone who loves freedom, peace, integrity, and honesty ought to despise those folks too.

Regards,

moose eater

those parasites are pretty common nalmost ALL wild game....not just bears. (I too have seen some crazy tapes' in blackies...but I killed a giant elk in wyoming that was riddled w/ cancer and many other parasites....the animal should not have even been alive. (called DOW and they took the elk and i didnt have to use my tag on him)

I agree w/ the need to cook VERY thorough...I prefer my Game meat ta be well done. (i have never canned meat)...tell me about that if u have the time and interest.

the last winter i spent in ak was in kodiak...and i lived off of salmon bellies that the local cannery gave me and i dried. (eskimo candy)

the gave me hundreds of pounds...and thats what my dogs ate all year too.

I've never killed -anything- that routinely carried -visible- (i.e, not tiny larvae, but -visible-) parasites in the way that a bear does. And bears, like pork, carry trichynosis (spelling?), in which case you're not just talking about needing to get 'debugged.'.

The village of Anuktuvik Pass is a village of mostly inland Inupiat/Inupiaq Eskimo. One of the standard traditional Inupiat/Inupiaq foods is raw caribou, frozen and sliced thin, often dipped in seal oil. (we used to eat it also with raw carrots that were also dipped in seal oil). I'm not sure of the proper spelling of it, but it's pronounced 'Qwaaalk'/'Quock'. It often carries larvae for echinococus granulosis. A veterinarian back about '81 or '82 told me that about 3/4 of the village's population likely tested positive for it. It's a rather benign larvae in a human host, with the exception of the St. Lawrence Island version of the same critter, which takes on different characteristics. I, myself, likely have the more common variety which typically lodges in the lungs of humans and stays there as nearly-microscopic cysts. A virtual non-issue.

I keep a chunk or three of muk tuk in the freezer, gifted to me by an Eskimo 'brother in the cause.' Most of the family leaves it alone, so it's pretty well mine. ;^>) I'm fairly certain that there's parasites potentially in that too, but none that'll kill me or seriously effect my life.

All critters may have parasites, but they're not all the same parasites, and there's lots that we can't see. That's the reason for the sodium nitrite ('prague powder', and mis-labelled in that thread as sodium 'nitrate') in my smoked meat and fish recipes (see Well Wishes forum, p. 3, 'Recipes for Turkish' under my same nick from a while back.

Regards,

moose eater

[DimeBag65]

thats great.. a state that is actually thinkin bout its citizens for once maybe...

^^^Maybe sorta....

Goin' from no weight or plant limits in the home, and 1 oz. in public possession ('75-'83), to no public possession allowed, and a 4 oz limit in the home ('83-'2006), to a 1 oz. limit in the home, with new and bigger felonies and misdemeanors (currently), isn't exactly a pot-friendly direction.

Alaska voted near 70% for GW Bush. Our legislature is predominantly red-neck Republican, and some Dems lacking a spine stout enough to keep themselves upright (with several note-worthy exceptions).

The courts are (for now) standing between pro-privacy Alaskans, and a legislature that would trade away that privacy in a heart-beat... And the court has, so far, supported the severely restricted weight allowances.

That's not progress if one was here when it was truly free.

Regards,

moose eater

BTW, a point of clarification is in order; had the AkCLU's case been a 'criminal case,' then the Judges ruling would have not been regarded as binding. In that it is a 'civil case,' there is somewhat of a different weight to it.

Alaska v. McNiel and Alaska v. Walker didn't hold much water, as they were merely criminal rulings at the Superior Court level, by Superior Court Judges Michael Thompson (Ketchikan) and Richard Savell (Fairbanks)

However, when Judge Jane Kauvar ruled against Noy in State v. Noy, it then allowed his attorney William Satterburg to appeal to the State Appellate Court, that holds similar binding authority to the State Supreme Court. That is how Ravin was reaffirmed several years ago.

All of those were 'criminal cases.' The filing for injunctive relief in the HB149 case is a 'civil action'; apples and oranges, folks.

Regards,

moose eater