Anybody ever try "no till" in 3-5 gal. pots? - Organic Soil - International Cannagraphic Magazine Forums

sunnydog · 04-03-2011, 08:03 AM

Anybody ever try "no till" in 3-5 gal. pots?
Just pull out the stump top dress and put new plant in?
Any thoughts on this?
I would welcome not having to do the soil thing every time.

SD

L420K · 04-03-2011, 09:19 AM

you're welcome to try it but it's unlikely the pots/soil you raise your plants in will develop a diverse and active enough microcosm to be able to handle that. it works in farm applications because there is highly active soil biosphere complete with fungi bacteria worms insects ect... this kind of concerted action is absent in potted biospheres so you're most likely just going to set the stage for disease.

VerdantGreen · 04-03-2011, 09:27 AM

i know some people here have done it in much bigger pots and beds, but i think you will find 3-5 gal too small for that - but i s'pose it depends on what you topdress it with too.

guest2012y · 04-03-2011, 06:31 PM

I'm going to try this in 3 to 5 gallon pots. Donating maybe 10 pots to the experiment. I used to think the smaller pot thing wouldn't work for the reasons we understand,but I feel my soil is healthy enough to get it done.......at least one full cycle of no-till before another re-amend.

MrFista · 04-03-2011, 10:32 PM

You will get an 'ecosystem' of sorts, but if it is big enough to deliver non stop action remains to be seen. On a microscopic level very little room is needed to host a huge plethora of life-forms.

Possible problems - Temps - hard to keep temps steady in smaller pots. In a temp controlled room this might not be a problem at all. Could use insulation as well, or in a dirt floor setup use partial burial (if ground temps aren't too variable). Mulch cover will stop the major fluctuations associated with air temps (that fluctuate much more rapidly than soil).

Water - wet dry fluctuations are greater. More regular watering might help eg drip system.

Gots to go, think on it more later.

Greenwich Pope · 04-03-2011, 11:01 PM

I have done it with large containers,20 gal.I just made sure it wasn't too compacted and also had to supplement towrds the middle of flower.

I was in a pinch

supermanlives · 04-04-2011, 12:39 AM

i have done it when i was using hygrozyme but in slightly largewr containers

heady blunts · 04-04-2011, 04:33 PM

i'm thinking about doing just that when i upgrade my grow...

sunnydog · 05-29-2011, 08:45 PM

AFOM (member, not active), Has done this( top dressed harvested pot) with 3 of 50 pots this run.
Several weeks in (first week 12/12) All is as well or better than the 'traditional" controls.

This will be an INCREDIBLE TIME and LABOR saver. Plus, maybe better!

SD

GanjaPharma · 05-29-2011, 09:16 PM

not in soil but i do it in coir. if its uncool to post this because this is a soil thread i will delete it just PM me. (although i dont see why soil is any different in this instance)
also because i have been doing this for 8 or 9 crops running, i think its fair to say i grow in a 50/50 mix of coir and hemp roots. haha

one week after harvest, (10 day flush before that)
i take the dried out plant, cut the rootball out, pop another one in, fill in the gaps with some recycled coir.
the first watering after transplant does include a small dose of imidocloprid, started doing that a few years ago after root aphids.

otherwise its straight back to normal feeding.

Cutting out the old one

old roots, all the little roots are just part of the new coir

new plant 1 gallon pot

3 weeks from rooted clone

just needs a defol and ready to go

12 weeks later....chop and repeat.

and i should add that i have CROPS of some kind of mushrooms in my coir for the last few grows....whatever is going on in my medium, its more complex than it was when i brought that coir home.

04-03-2011, 08:03 AM	#1
sunnydog Drip King Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: in my hole Posts: 1,896	Anybody ever try "no till" in 3-5 gal. pots? Anybody ever try "no till" in 3-5 gal. pots? Just pull out the stump top dress and put new plant in? Any thoughts on this? I would welcome not having to do the soil thing every time. SD __________________ SD Blumats! Automatic watering! Vertical Blumat grow Blumat adjustment procedure: (for soil)In a bucket ,fill and soak units under water for at LEAST an hour. Then screw on cap( nice and tight!) under water making sure not to trap any air. *Leave dripper line at ~8cm. long.* Give the pot a good watering. Insert B/M snugly into nicely compacted soil(not too loose) . Open till water comes out, carefully close until just a drop barely forms. Tighten 1.75 - 2 Arrows Adjust as necessary for a few days, then leave it alone! "He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion." ~ Unknown ~
	Quote

04-03-2011, 09:19 AM	#2
L420K New Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 17	you're welcome to try it but it's unlikely the pots/soil you raise your plants in will develop a diverse and active enough microcosm to be able to handle that. it works in farm applications because there is highly active soil biosphere complete with fungi bacteria worms insects ect... this kind of concerted action is absent in potted biospheres so you're most likely just going to set the stage for disease.
	Quote

04-03-2011, 06:31 PM	#4
guest2012y Living with the soil Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Forested area Posts: 2,926	I'm going to try this in 3 to 5 gallon pots. Donating maybe 10 pots to the experiment. I used to think the smaller pot thing wouldn't work for the reasons we understand,but I feel my soil is healthy enough to get it done.......at least one full cycle of no-till before another re-amend. __________________ BMR in flower https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=170303 Topsoil in the soil mix https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=153542 Provider for cardholders organic medicine and organic medicated edibles..."we're primed and we're ready to go toe to toe with disease"
	Quote 1 members found this post helpful.

04-03-2011, 10:32 PM	#5
MrFista Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,036	You will get an 'ecosystem' of sorts, but if it is big enough to deliver non stop action remains to be seen. On a microscopic level very little room is needed to host a huge plethora of life-forms. Possible problems - Temps - hard to keep temps steady in smaller pots. In a temp controlled room this might not be a problem at all. Could use insulation as well, or in a dirt floor setup use partial burial (if ground temps aren't too variable). Mulch cover will stop the major fluctuations associated with air temps (that fluctuate much more rapidly than soil). Water - wet dry fluctuations are greater. More regular watering might help eg drip system. Gots to go, think on it more later. __________________ I'm in it for the tomatoes. I been growing tomatoes for a long long time. Sometimes I get to thinking I know everything about tomatoes. My tomatoes make me completely delusional.
	Quote 1 members found this post helpful.

04-03-2011, 11:01 PM	#6
Greenwich Pope in my own head Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Land of Kings Posts: 105	I have done it with large containers,20 gal.I just made sure it wasn't too compacted and also had to supplement towrds the middle of flower. I was in a pinch __________________ Never forget where you come from, you may need to go back someday
	Quote

04-04-2011, 12:39 AM	#7
supermanlives Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: gilligans island Posts: 13,142	i have done it when i was using hygrozyme but in slightly largewr containers
	Quote

04-04-2011, 04:33 PM	#8
heady blunts prescription blunts Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 4,561	i'm thinking about doing just that when i upgrade my grow... __________________ . c a n n a b i s . s a v e d . m y . l i f e . <3.F.U.C.K.E.M.F.A.M.<3
	Quote

05-29-2011, 08:45 PM	#9
sunnydog Drip King Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: in my hole Posts: 1,896	update; AFOM (member, not active), Has done this( top dressed harvested pot) with 3 of 50 pots this run. Several weeks in (first week 12/12) All is as well or better than the 'traditional" controls. This will be an INCREDIBLE TIME and LABOR saver. Plus, maybe better! SD __________________ SD Blumats! Automatic watering! Vertical Blumat grow Blumat adjustment procedure: (for soil)In a bucket ,fill and soak units under water for at LEAST an hour. Then screw on cap( nice and tight!) under water making sure not to trap any air. *Leave dripper line at ~8cm. long.* Give the pot a good watering. Insert B/M snugly into nicely compacted soil(not too loose) . Open till water comes out, carefully close until just a drop barely forms. Tighten 1.75 - 2 Arrows Adjust as necessary for a few days, then leave it alone! "He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion." ~ Unknown ~
	Quote

05-29-2011, 09:16 PM	#10
GanjaPharma Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: BlessedCoast Posts: 510	not in soil but i do it in coir. if its uncool to post this because this is a soil thread i will delete it just PM me. (although i dont see why soil is any different in this instance) also because i have been doing this for 8 or 9 crops running, i think its fair to say i grow in a 50/50 mix of coir and hemp roots. haha one week after harvest, (10 day flush before that) i take the dried out plant, cut the rootball out, pop another one in, fill in the gaps with some recycled coir. the first watering after transplant does include a small dose of imidocloprid, started doing that a few years ago after root aphids. otherwise its straight back to normal feeding. Cutting out the old one old roots, all the little roots are just part of the new coir new plant 1 gallon pot 3 weeks from rooted clone just needs a defol and ready to go 12 weeks later....chop and repeat. and i should add that i have CROPS of some kind of mushrooms in my coir for the last few grows....whatever is going on in my medium, its more complex than it was when i brought that coir home.
	Quote 4 members found this post helpful.