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Old 06-27-2008, 02:55 PM   #16
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I do and that is way too much salt. It could also easily lead to cal lock. Cal/Mag is not what epsom salts is to start with. Besides, cal/mag should be in right proportion.
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Old 06-27-2008, 03:29 PM   #17
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I do and that is way too much salt. It could also easily lead to cal lock. Cal/Mag is not what epsom salts is to start with. Besides, cal/mag should be in right proportion.
He said he was having a magnesium deficiency. 1 to 2 tsp./gal. Epsom Salts will fix it in organic growing.
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Old 07-08-2008, 10:35 AM   #19
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how often should you use cal/mag?
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This is an incredibly important topic......the Cal-Mag products that are available in grow stores have never worked well enough......Calcium and Magnesium are so important that they are considered "Secondary Nutrients".....

If you have access to a health food store, i would try to find the most "bio-available" Calcium/Magnesium supplement.....now i have not investigated this option yet, because i finally found another option that provides almost instantaneous Calcium and Magnesium to your plants......you can either use it as a foliar spray or add directly to the roots.....here is my secret:

(taken from another post of mine)

I gave up on Botanicare's Cal-Mag product......even Technaflora's "MagiCal" product seems to be the exact same formula....

However, do not despair my Cal-Mag deficient friends!!!

I have finally discovered an awesome product, and it is available at your local grocery store!!!!

The name of this product is "Sanfaustino" brand mineral water.....it contains 9% Calcium and 8% Magnesium and lists the pH as 5.9......you can use it on the roots, and it also makes a wonderful foliar-feed application.....

http://www.sanfaustino.com/composition.html

For some reason, the plants only respond to Sanfaustino.......they perk up and begin to grow at an accelerated rate......the plants will not respond to Botanicare's "Cal-Mag" product.....

Now for some of you with larger numbers of plants, it might not be economical to buy Sanfaustino water, as it costs around 1.50 dollars per Liter or so.......but, if you have a few bucks to spare, try it on your plants and i guarantee you will notice a difference.....

I must admit, i am quite upset at these garden companies.....they seem to be making Calcuim/Magnesium supplements that my plants absolutely will not absorb.....i don't know if its the molecular structure, or how the Cal and Mag are derived, or whatever, but all i know is that the Sanfaustino mineral water is like an instant shot of Calcium and Magnesium directly into the plant whereas the Botanicare product does absolutely nothing......this makes me upset because Calcium and Magnesium are very important nutrients, and should be considered "secondary" nutrients rather than "micro-nutrients" because of their great importance in proper plant growth......

Hopefully someone will find a more readily bio-available form of Calcium and Magnesium.....my suspicion is that it will come from an "organic" sorce, perhaps some sort of geologic deposit that has these 2 elements locked into a certain molecular formation......

I am shocked and appalled that we do not have access to an effective Cal/Mag product.....so many people have had problems with Botanicare's Cal/Mag that you would think they would re-formulate the product.....

Hopefully i will find the kind of Cal/Mg product i am looking for.....someday.....

I have not yet tried the Cal/Mg supplements that are marketed for human consumption, but there are many brands of these and some claim to be more bio-available than others so i guess that is the next place to investigate....

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Old 07-08-2008, 11:36 AM   #21
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I've read about that, I can't get it where I live :(

My theory is prevention and preparation, ie a well composted mix containing adequate compost/humus and dolomite lime.

I'll keep looking for the water, sounds like an excellent foliar.
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Old 07-09-2008, 07:07 PM   #22
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Has anyone had success with plain ph adjusted hard tap water? I've got plenty of that to work with.
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Mineral Water? Brilliant!!!


A few selections from my local grocery:

Smart Water: Potassium Bicarbonate, Calcium Chloride, Magnesium Chloride in unknown concentrations per liter.

Appollinaris: 6% Magnesium, 5% Sodium per liter.

S. Pellegrino: 4% Calcium, 1% Sodium per liter.


Another thing I found is a tomato blossom rot cure: Bonide Rot Stop 1.6% Calcium...

Is any of this stuff in concentrations enough to have an effect on a plant? At $2-3 per liter is it a feasible curative measure? What is the calmag concentration on your average East coast tap water???
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Old 07-12-2008, 10:21 PM   #24
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guineapig, Sanfaustino... awesome. One of the best "home remedies" I've heard yet. How much do you end up using/gal.? Is there any reason not to use it in a hydro setup?

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Old 07-12-2008, 10:41 PM   #25
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The main drawback with using SanFaustino water in a hydro set-up would be the cost.....its just not affordable to use this water on a large scale......however, as a foliar spray or a small closet situation, it is really an amazing plant tonic especially if you are experiencing Calcium and/or Magnesium defieciencies or lockout.....

SanFaustino is absolutely concentrated enough to help your plants......however, if you wanted a more concentrated Cal/Mag product, the other option is to go to your local health food store and find the most "bio-available" form of Calcium/Magnesium supplements and dissolve them in your water.......make sure they are well dissolved and if possible use Reverse-Osmosis water or Spring Water as a base.....

Glad you all are interested in the search for a more effective Cal/Mg product......

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Old 07-13-2008, 03:29 AM   #26
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great info there!

what do you guys think cal/mag proportion one should look for?
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Old 07-22-2008, 06:11 PM   #27
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Magnesium problems are usually a result of pH problems.
Just sayin'.

Botanicare cal/mag is like 15$ish a bottle. I use it as a foliar spray.
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Old 07-22-2008, 06:22 PM   #28
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1 gram of generic epsom salts in 500ml. of R/o water reads 727.
(R/O water was read @ 7. by itself)

so 720. TDS
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Old 07-22-2008, 06:37 PM   #29
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Update:

when I diluted the 500 ml. to 1000ml. with R/O water, it read 420...

Started over with a full 1000ml of R/o water @ 7.0, added 1 gram epson salts and got a reading of 450 TDS.
Ph was below 5.

a gram of epsom salt is tiny! - like a bump.
I don't have any measuring spoons.
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