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Old 06-25-2008, 09:18 PM #1
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Trapped in a Closet! 800 watts of Flo, NYCD and Thai Stick Sativas!

What's up guys, first grow log after lurking for one year. Showing you my DWC grow, done in a closet with folding doors in my spare bedroom. I'm three harvests in:



NYCD F2's by AnnaC. 5/5 popped, vegged for one week and flowering since 5.28.08. 4/5 female, culled the one male today.




To the right of the NYCD's are 5 Thai Stick Sativas from Gypsy Nirvana. 5/6 popped, been flowering since 5.6.08. They were vegged to less than six inches tall, but as you can see they've stretched like 10x. They're now 5 feet, give or take. Stretch has finally slowed, and I think it'll stop soon. I hope...




These are my Flo moms. These are S1's made by a friend of a friend. This is my third run of the Flo. Good smoke, very much in the head, potent when cured for a month, but I'm looking for a more clear head high. The Flo, to me, seemed like a 'heavy' head high, if that makes sense. I've got 5 cuttings rooting in peat pellets as we speak, I expect to put them in the veg tub within a week, then a week or so of veg until put into the flowering closet.

Specifics of my setup:
2x400w HPS and MH (flowering closet)
2x22w UVB bulbs (each two feet long, the uvb 10.0 ones you get from petsmart - i think they help the trichs go amber quicker, from informal observations of my latest harvest).
4 foot 80w flourescents for veg/cloning
Closet exhaust is 2 of those cheap 6 inch duct fans from Home depot. Passive intake (through gaps in folding doors).
Odor control is a big can fan with an 8 inch squirrel cage fan to serve as a carbon scrubber for the room, set to go off every hour for a few minutes.
Reservoir is nothing but ph corrected tap water (the water is pretty good around here) and lucas formula using GH Florabloom and Floramicro.
Lights on temp (during nighttime) is around 85 F, lights off temp (during day time) is around 80 F. Little warm, I know, but much better than before I put a window A/C unit in. Temps before window unit were 99+ during lights on, high 80s during lights off.
Still got some decent buds even with the out of control temps, but I'm hoping with the improved temps things will be much better.
I have space for two more tubs in the closet, four total, so I'm thinking I can get 3 harvests every two months or so (assuming the NYCD finish in 60 days with at least a third amber trichs, like the Flo does), with the Thai Sticks probably taking 4 months flowering.

Future strains I'm considering are: Rez's gear (specifically chemdog and kush projects), Kryptonite stuff (kushes), any good indica to add variety to my mostly sativa lineup.
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Old 07-13-2008, 10:02 PM #2
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wadz hadnin' bababooey? i'm pretty disappointed that no one showed you love, so i had to back up the murda crew.

how tall do you veg the flo before you flower? how tall is it after the stretch?

the NYCD f2 is a sure winner. lemme know if you find a good pheno because i'm down to one in flower, but i'm almost sure it is the ruby red grapefruit pheno.

thai stick should be fun. let's just hope the buds end up being worth the long wait.

keep updating bro and i'm sure you'll do us proud.

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Old 07-17-2008, 09:23 PM #3
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Tried to upload photos just now but it's not working. I've heard this happens sometimes, I'll try later, I got some pretty good photos.
I veg the Flo to about 6 inches before I put them in the closest and they'll finish probably 2 feet or more. I'm gonna scrog them this time though so hopefully I can get more yield with a more even canopy.
I have 3 female NYCD's. When I rub their stems, my hand smells somewhat lemony, but when I rub the thai stems my hands smell very lemony.
But when I smell the NYCD buds (and they're very immature now, you'll see) the buds don't smell very citrusy, more coffee/chocolate, which is similar to how the Flo smelt. The Thai buds barely have any smell at all, but their buds are even more immature.
I definitely think the NYCD's will have a longer flowering time than the Flo. At least another month, maybe 6 weeks. That's a good 10-12 week flowering time. My Flo's finish in about 8-10 weeks....
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Old 07-20-2008, 12:24 PM #4
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Updated pics as of 7/17/08:



Two of the Thai's sprouted balls: I don't know how long they've been there or if they released any pollen, I stopped closely checking them a couple weeks ago.

On the left is the one that hermied, on the right is a cut of one that hasn't (yet). Hope the three that are still female stay that way....




Sorry for the blurriness of the above shots, but I wanted to show you guys something new I'm trying with my latest batch of Flo.
Instead of netpots and hydroton, I'm using Jiffy peat pellets and Jiffy Pots to grow my clones in. The peat pellets are great for cloning (around 100% so far, so long as the cutting you took is big enough) and then I just drop the clone, pellet and all, into a Jiffy Pot, which is a small cup made out of fiber. Then I drop those into the holes in my tub (about 2" diameter), make sure the water level is touching the pot so it remains wet, and voila: in about 1-2 weeks you'll have nice big roots and taproots reaching down into your water (when the roots get big enough you can drop the water level).
The Jiffy pellets and pots can be found at home depot, pellets go for $2 for 25, pots are similar price, so cheaper than the hydro store and more discrete. Funny though, home depot usually only has a good supply of the pots and pellets when gardening season hits, I haven't found any more of the pots, when I do I figure I'll have to stock up. Probably gardening supply stores will stock it year round I'm thinking...

One warning though: this is the first time I'm using this method and I haven't tried it through a full flowering cycle yet. The Flo I'm using it on is going to have scrog screen in place to hold the weight of the plant up. I'm thinking that if you don't have some sort of support with the Jiffy Pots, they might break down from the weight of the plant once the plant gets big enough, dropping it into the water. Maybe not too big of a deal if your plant is tall enough, but something to be aware of...



Here's an overall of the closet itself. Flo with the homemade scrog screen in the middle, nycd on the left, thai's on the right. Made the screen out of 1"x2" and wire, not really the most professional thing but hopefully it does the job.
As you can see, especially with the thai's, I've trimmed the undergrowth a lot, to focus bud growth more on the upper branches.



Here's about half of the harvest from my last Flo crop, harvested around mid June. Gave half of it to my buddy, who shared it around with some friends.
Not a very clear shot, I know, but buds were decently frosty. This harvest suffered from light burn and heat stress though, so I expect my future harvests to have bigger buds.
As far as a smoke report, the high was more narcotic than previous runs because I let the trichs go mostly amber. Potent stuff. My friend, who has more experience than me and has smoked plenty of homegrown, rates it as a 7.5 to 8; this was with only a 2-3 week cure. I hope this next run will be even better because I'm managing the temps now and have raised the lights...
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Old 09-26-2008, 03:47 AM #5
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Long time no update. I've been treating the midwest growers unit thread (https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.p...86#post1916886) as my own personal thread but I figure I have to post here to keep up with you all.

NYCD harvest in day 3 of a water cure.



I screwed up my harvest from overnuting (I've since bought a Milwaukee ec pen and am already finding it indispensable) so only a couple zips, looks like. Only popcorn nugs, unfortunately, but they're dense, sticky, resiny and crystally at least.

First couple days of water cure, it didnt smell that much. But now the cooler smells like a dead skunk. Seriously, a skunky, unpleasant odor. I don't know if it smells diesel-ish. What does diesel fuel smell like? Like regular gas? More spicy or tangy? I don't know what the eff I'm talking about, i'm rambling...






Another tub of flo, about two weeks in the flowering chamber. They've tripled in size (maybe quadrupled). I'm scrogging them, hope to get some nice thick colas.





Two more tubs of flo, just put in today. Cloned them in peat pellets, vegged them in a bubble tub (note: you have to take them out of the peat pellets before putting them in a netpot w/ hydroton or else the peat pellet will inhibit root growth [this does not happen in soil, only hydro]) for around a week (little stretch, they were only under 100w of flouros) and as soon as a decent healthy looking root mass is poking out of the netpot thrown into the flowering chamber.

I fully expect from now on to have good yields, maybe near 1g a watt (I'm hoping, I know, maybe I'm dreaming, but I think it could be possible).
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hey bababooey, you'll like the nycd i bet. I have one that I kept for a mom from a pack of those annaC f2s. lemony sour to the extreme. might have that clear head high you're looking for. Actually a hazy foggy clear high. The Thai should have it even better.
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Thanks Hazy.
I just read your post in the joint rolling thread. You posted a pic of an almost 6 foot rattlesnake you found in your backyard. Freaky stuff, man. Does that mean you can't own a dog?

I hope my nycd has an electric, energizing high. My friend bought some last year and it really gave me a stimulating buzz, which I really enjoyed. Not that I don't like my indica couchlock highs, but it's always good to mix it up, no?

And the AnnaC seeds at least showed uniformity. I haven't yet selected a mom from the three females I got, but I'm figuring what with the uniformity they might all smoke the same?

The Thai yield I was really disappointed in, almost no actual buds to speak of just flowers. I'm going to run it again with phosphoload: it has a plant hormone regulator called paclobutrazol in it that's supposed to stop stretch and promote bud growth. I'm not a big fan of using chemicals in my grows (other than my chem nutes ) but I figure I almost need a product like that for my Thai sticks...
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Here's are roots after a few days in the veg tub (maybe i put this in 3-4 days ago?). When I first put in the flo clones, it had like 2-3 small white roots barely sticking out of the netpot, now you'll even see a taproot.

I think this'll go into the closet soon, maybe even tonight.

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Right on Baba, things are looking up for you. I am glad for that.

Best of luck on this next cycle of flo, she sounds quite nice and will most certainly be very nice smoke.

Finally cooling down around the midwest. Maybe it will help keep those temps in check. Which, got me thinking, what are your water temps like? When I used to grow dwc and I noticed that whatever my ambient temp was was very close to my water temp. Although I realize its likely you already know of the potential for root infections with high water temps. . . anyway, just blabbin. Like I said, glad to see a cool down. Take 'er easy Baba.
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So I swear I spend like half an hour working on a post last night, and I'm sure I submitted it correctly but now that I check this thread I see it didn't post! So now I gotta rewrite everything, grumble grumble...

Root: Thanks for checking in! As far as res temps go, a few weeks ago I bought a cheapo aquarium thermometer from wallyworld and tossed it in my res. It showed 75F during lights on, when ambient temps were 80F. I don't know why the water temp would be lower than the room temp, maybe because of the bubbling action? I also foil tape my tubs to prevent light from hitting the water and heating it up.
I don't think i've ever had root rot. I've felt my rootmasses after harvest and they don't feel slimy. They are brown though, but I think that's the nute solution (that GH Micro is dark, dark stuff). But I've seen grows using GH nutes and they had whiter roots, so maybe ideally mine should be white(r)?

I was recently gifted a very nice collection of seeds by an icmagger who wishes to remain anonymous. Here they are:




Overall shot of the lot: 5 packs of 5 seeds each.



Good ol' Sam the Skunkman Original Thai Haze by Skunk 1. I'm going to run my GN Thai Stick again to see if I can do a better job, but if not I might be cracking these puppies open (I also have a 5pack from an earlier order). That is, if I care to run another 6 month sativa.
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