So it's gonna happen again ... thank you capitalism!!!
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but... I'm sure they'll improve it greatly before it gets re-sold and offer a full warranty...
EpicExtracts
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Apparently it has an exhaust mod??
HG23
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I'm not following you guys. I see their most recent Facebook post about the Haskles for 4k with an exhaust mod they don't explain. IMO, if people are dumb enough to fall for shit like that without even bothering to check the MSRP then they were a born sucker and it can't be helped. Is there something I'm not seeing? Looks like their last IG post was a while ago.
Just follow Gray Wolf on the intrawebz, do what he says and BAM you have an extraction company!
What they are failing to mention are all the key components. Like the fact that it needs a 10hp screw compressor......and that screw compressor needs 3 phase power.....And that exhaust modification is nothing special, I can post a picture of the exhaust and you can decide how hard it is to "modify".
Buying a product with a long lead time and having them in stock and charging extra for immediately delivery in one thing. But presenting these pumps to unaware consumers or extractors as a replacement for their appion/promax/tr is BS......
Lets not forget about a month ago these guys didn't know that it needed a screw compresssor. Maybe they ordered a bunch, realized,
"oh shit we need 200 amps 3 phase to run these 4, fuck it lets just sell em"
HG23
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I don't know man. I feel all that, but come on, do you have something else against this company?
I don't have FB so I can't sign in and see all their pics, but there is clearly a large compressor posted that is captioned that it's for the Haskel. Honestly if you are buying a pneumatically operated pump and you aren't smart enough to look into the air supply needs before purchase you are a moron. To me it's akin to buying an extractor then getting mad the company didn't tell you you also need to have the money for the butane/propane to operate it. If you're going to buy the extractor you need to be educated about ancillary costs and items needed. If this company specifically said the pumps are good to go out of the box, that's pretty egregious and I would understand this thread but from what I can see your argument seems a little thin. Just giving my 2 cents.
I don't have FB so I can't sign in and see all their pics, but there is clearly a large compressor posted that is captioned that it's for the Haskel. Honestly if you are buying a pneumatically operated pump and you aren't smart enough to look into the air supply needs before purchase you are a moron. To me it's akin to buying an extractor then getting mad the company didn't tell you you also need to have the money for the butane/propane to operate it. If you're going to buy the extractor you need to be educated about ancillary costs and items needed. If this company specifically said the pumps are good to go out of the box, that's pretty egregious and I would understand this thread but from what I can see your argument seems a little thin. Just giving my 2 cents.
The brilliant minds behind subzero overlooked it. They said "guess we need a special compressor for this but were guna try and run it with our normal one"
I have a lot against this company, they are selling 15k extractors and a month ago didn't know anything about the logistics behind the Haskel. Then someone educated them and the big compressor showed up. So as you said they are morons, even bigger morons because they are "extractor engineneers"
If I was selling haskels at a premium, my social media marketing would emphasize that you need 3 phase power and a 8-10k compressor, this would fend off anybody who isn't serious...
I have a lot against this company, they are selling 15k extractors and a month ago didn't know anything about the logistics behind the Haskel. Then someone educated them and the big compressor showed up. So as you said they are morons, even bigger morons because they are "extractor engineneers"
If I was selling haskels at a premium, my social media marketing would emphasize that you need 3 phase power and a 8-10k compressor, this would fend off anybody who isn't serious...
new pump in works
new pump in works
According to a rep from cascade botanical haskel is working on a pump that uses less power since it has been brought to there attention the extraction industry is using there pumps. There engineers are saying its overkill and we could use a pump that uses less juice. Rumor has it a prototype is in the works and being sent out for testing. Keeping my fingers crossed it gets released to the public soon.
new pump in works
According to a rep from cascade botanical haskel is working on a pump that uses less power since it has been brought to there attention the extraction industry is using there pumps. There engineers are saying its overkill and we could use a pump that uses less juice. Rumor has it a prototype is in the works and being sent out for testing. Keeping my fingers crossed it gets released to the public soon.
David G, Haskel's Western region account manager personally dropped by WolfWurx, Inc, and we discussed their pumps with them vis a vis our markets needs. I asked for two thing:
1. A smaller drive piston so that it uses less air per stroke. It currently is set at 4:1 ratio, which is higher than we need for our tank pressures.
2. A stainless pumping cylinder.
He agreed to see what they can do, and Skunk Pharm Research, LLC has agreed to do the field testing that they require and publish the results.
They already offer it in stainless, so I await pricing as well.
He also passed a brain fart by us, which was to point out that if we don't need the higher pressure, then we also don't need to run the Haskel as a two stage pump.
That means that you can remove the tube that connects the two sides of the discharge piston, and run the two chambers in parallel, rather than series, to double the pump output. If you rotate the head 180 degrees, the check valves will also be aligned to make this easier.
Hee, hee, hee, we have a Mk IV currently in final finishing, which we will make this modification on and conduct the testing.
It is clear that Haskel is keen to support our needs, so we discussed one other support concession, and await the home office reply. More on that after we hear back.
PS: I also learned that as soon as I shared the information regarding our use of the Haskel 59025-3, Haskel's call volume and sales for the pump sharply increased, but so did the number of calls where the person calling simply hung up when they started asking questions about application. If you call, be brave and tell it like it is, because they do understand.
If your local rep is not on board, then I recommend calling HIS, their Oregon rep here, whom will provide the help you need. Hoffman Instrumentation Supply is in Hillsboro OR, and can be reached at www.hisoregon.com. Ask for Joe J.
Secondly, don't forget to order it with Viton, because the neoprene doesn't stand up as long in our application.
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This is awesome news!! So many badass developments going on at skunk pharm right now!
GW is this still your recommendation for the air compressor to buy to run the Haskel? If we had this machine, how many of the pumps could we run at once?
http://www.aircompressorsdirect.com...-OXyZwhSN_wRf7d_PwMukk8Jjhc9_8pI2EaAliE8P8HAQ
Thank you
Gray Wolf;6634921 That means that you can remove the tube that connects the two sides of the discharge piston said:
Yup, that would do it and run one Haskel at full speed or two at half speed. They are constant displacement pumps, so at a given pressure, it is simply a matter of volume.
A 20 or 25 hp rotary screw is not twice as expensive, and can usually be found relatively priced surplus. Probably can get a good one for what a new 10 horse costs.
Bingo, know RB has suggested against it ... but there's a lot of quality auctions out there ... just gotta look, and know what's garbage and what's not. If you can't do that, than buying new with a warrenty is the best option.
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I think RB's biggest point was a lot of these used units have a copious amount hrs on them, whether maintained religiously or not, your still rolling the dice.
As GW and my local compressor guys pointed out, anything under 10k hrs is really minimal use. Finding out what the compressor was used for and where it was used can help determine whether the hrs of use are true or just idle hrs.
The shipping cost is whats guna be expensive, I went through four tanks of diesel hauling mine.....
As GW and my local compressor guys pointed out, anything under 10k hrs is really minimal use. Finding out what the compressor was used for and where it was used can help determine whether the hrs of use are true or just idle hrs.
The shipping cost is whats guna be expensive, I went through four tanks of diesel hauling mine.....
RB makes a good point
Used compressors and used equipment salesmen, are somewhat like used cars and used cars salesmen. You have to pay attention to win.
Screw compressors are long lived when properly maintained, so look for one what low hours, that has been.
If they don't come with a refrigerative drier, they can be added new for a couple grand.
Try to find one with a low-unloaded-horsepower feature, for the most economic performance.
As PC notes, shipping can be the deal breaker.
Used compressors and used equipment salesmen, are somewhat like used cars and used cars salesmen. You have to pay attention to win.
Screw compressors are long lived when properly maintained, so look for one what low hours, that has been.
If they don't come with a refrigerative drier, they can be added new for a couple grand.
Try to find one with a low-unloaded-horsepower feature, for the most economic performance.
As PC notes, shipping can be the deal breaker.
Thanks for the info guys. Looks like I have some shopping around to do!
